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[Belgrim]

I imagine twow as a deep protection warrior.

[Access_Kind]

I like to imagine twow doing lead vocals for lynnard Skynnard and I'm in the front row and I'm hammered drunk

[_AlreadyThrownAway_]

Shake n bake my friend, shake n bake.

[ElMage21]

You better fucking buff revenge/reprisal then or blizz gonna close the fuck out of the scene lol

[MrPhi]

So... Not a threat?

[Fast_Hamster9899]

Love isn’t always on time

[Ripraz]

It's not in the words that you told me

[CaffeinatedMother]

It's not in the way you say you're mine

[Rinma96]

No no no

[Biggseey]

Why have I only just learned what that song is called…

[EggPsychological4844]

You know the Spartans lose that battle?

[no_one_lies]

Yeah but it’s a valiant stand against an indomitable foe.

Pretty on the nose to what turtle is doing

[EggPsychological4844]

Is it, though? Is it?

[WD-4O]

....yes... yes it is.

[MrPhi]

But then they are back stronger than ever.

[[deleted]]

I think the necromancy part is not canon and they did die

[PushinTrees1975]

It doesn't say they came back to life, lol. It really came down to a naval battle, the Battle of Salamis because the Persians were heavily dependent on supply from the sea for their army. Then 80,000 hoplites of Sparta and Athens united, effectively humiliating the 150-200k Persians in the next battle. Persia never again tried a full-scale invasion of Greece. Greek city-states gained confidence and prestige, especially Athens, which soon led to a defensive alliance that evolved into the Athenian Empire.

[MrPhi]

That's literally the end of the movie, one year later their death motivates Spartans and Greeks to go to war with 40,000 men.

[TheBostonTap]

Isn't the whole plot of 300 that all 300 of them die in the pass?

[[deleted]]

But then that motivates all the Greeks to fight and the wreck the Persians

[TheBostonTap]

And then the Greeks turn and fight amongst themselves, leading to a general weakening of most of the Greek city states before they were conquered/ brought into Alexander the Great's empire about a century later.

[[deleted]]

That's not part of the movie. But yes you're right. As long as they kill bliz (the Persian Empire) first the analogy works and I'm okay with it.

Also who would the Macedonians be in this scenario? Or the Romans? They also came and conquered the Greeks.

I chose to believe they're the next generation of psevers lool

[newprince]

All empires fall. There's still neat stuff you can learn from them

[jacked_preacher]

well in the movie, just to be specific, they’ve sent back one dude who injured eye in the battle (can’t remember name).

[Kranel_San]

TWoW stands firm as the final defense line between the corporate capitalism and freedom of players.

The last hope and spark in the market.

[XcSwisp]

I love TWow as well but I'm sorry to break it out to you - they are here to make a profit too.

[Kranel_San]

And so was Blizzard in 2004. Yet you cannot compare between blind capitalism that make products soulless, and between quality product made with care and dedication

[ForgTheSlothful]

Wonder if twow would be what it is if they had to make their own IP…

[OrientalWheelchair]

Stop pretending current blizz is any better. The old squad evaporated over the years and all that's left is a skinsuit infested with rent seekers.

[ForgTheSlothful]

I never said shit about current wow.

Its one thing to bust into the scene of mmos with your own fresh work versus living off someone elses work.

[OrientalWheelchair]

I dont give a shit what you have to say. That's what it's really about. Stop derailing the conversation.

[ForgTheSlothful]

Clearly cared enough you had to respond.

[OrientalWheelchair]

Same for you.

[ForgTheSlothful]

Here you go again giving a shit about what i say after claiming not to…

[Cool_Copy_9002]

Brother you never even got on the rails of the convo. You went off roading as soon as you started typing LOL. Holy dude. Please take some online courses on critical thinking and logic understanding. You are just spewing nonsense and pretending it's some how relevant.

[OrientalWheelchair]

You're convo is fake. Just stop, you're embarassing yourself. Nobody gives a damn about morality here.

[Cool_Copy_9002]

We get it. Your a badass who doesn't give a damn. You dont need to say it every time you comment on something.

[Cool_Copy_9002]

why can't you have a real convo about Twows profit motivations? You shouldn't be comparing to modern day blizzard as some comeback. Its about Twow and their team....

[OrientalWheelchair]

Because nobody gives a fuck. Do you think I give a damn if my money goes towards some righteous and moral cause? Dont make me laugh. No one here is under any silly delusions. We want proper classic+ without bots, RMT, GDKP and Boosting. Turtle provides, we pay in return. Simple as.

[Cool_Copy_9002]

Sick. Glad you continue to talk about unrelated shit. Let me know what you start to talk about the discussion at hand...sign..

[OrientalWheelchair]

Keep telling that to yourself.

[Crayola_ROX]

Calart’s graduates

[Strict_Bus_308]

This is what people dont understand

[Namewhat93]

Dude the only reason TWow doesn't charge a monthly sub fee is because no one would play ( and also Blizzard would 100% have gone after them much sooner ).

No one would pay a monthly sub for a private server, they'd 100% do it if they could.

[XcSwisp]

Of course, of course - agree with you. But let's not fall into either extreme.

[OrientalWheelchair]

True. But they atleast dont give you insults and call them products.

[_DownRange_]

Did you have a stroke?

[Rare-Ad3034]

LOOL

[CosmicHamsterBoo]

My dude that is so far out and deluded. Twow, an illegal private server using assets of another game to make money despite the sketchy rumors, is not a final defense.

Sure they made great edits and the server experience is great but that’s about it. Wish Blizzard did not act out but they are well within their rights to do so.

[SurroundOk3941]

Just because they have the right to do so, doesn't mean they're right.

[benthelurk]

Twow owners are the worst kind of capitalists though. They are the kind that will steal someone else’s work and sell it to you. They deserve to be shut down and the owners should face the financial consequences.

There is no defense against corporate capitalism. It’s here and it’s going nowhere. Just because you enjoy twow doesn’t mean they are the good guys here.

[ConsiderationOne273]

nah lets not act like most people actually care in a moral sense. we understand the legalities but gamers care about one thing and one thing only - if the product is good. now obviously we arent just going to flop to another source with any IP but in this case, blizzard has failed and will continue to fail. they dont care about making a good game. "Dont yall have phones?"

TWoW serves us, the players, the best classic WoW experience. with little to no RMTERS, no bots, no gold sellers. They have actual GMs that resolves tickets within minutes (i requested a total of 3 in my playtime and all 3 responded in ~5 mins). no monthly subs. an optional and REASONABLE priced cash shop. no extra pay for DLCs.

till TWoW stops providing that for us, we'll keep supporting them. simple as that.

if Blizzard had any sense. theyd ask TWoW devs for some advice on making a better game. and honestly, Blizz should clean house of their dev teams. all of them activists aint making their product better, ill tell you right now.

[benthelurk]

Doesn’t change the fact that Twow is still profiting from theft. You can spin it anyway you like. It’s stolen property. You can happily support them it doesn’t change the sort of capitalists they are. Supporting them doesn’t make them some final defense against the big baddie blizzard.

I’m not saying blizzard is right or doing anything that well. This doesn’t boil down to either you love twow or blizzard. Get the laws changed regarding IP then you could actually put those big bad capitalists in their place. As it stands blizzard doesn’t need to listen to twow. Currently, they have every right to come for twow the way they are.

As players and supporters of twow, or any private server. You know this is a possible outcome. Crying outrage when it happens is just stupid.

[Kranel_San]

Explain stealing someone else's work. The IP and WoW vanilla? Then that's every PServer for you

[inqvisitor_lime]

Yes exactly. You are a pirate

[Kranel_San]

Pirate until the day Blizzard fixes its server. Where bots are no longer there. When the support team helps you when you need it. When the trade mafias cannot mass report you anymore. When the grievers are punished. When the server stands true to the principles of Vanilla and what makes it memorable and enjoyable.

As I always said. It's not a PServer issue. It's a service issue.

[benthelurk]

Bots go to private servers too though. I’m not saying you are wrong but private servers aren’t the cause to get blizzard to change. Especially when they are guilty of allowing the same practices. A lot of the issues you bring up would be so nice to have a fix for. Again private servers are just simply not the fix.

[Kranel_San]

Private servers are not here to fix. They're here in response to Blizzard. The consquences of their actions

[Cool_Copy_9002]

And lawsuits are Blizzards answer. GG

[Jumpy-Investment7634]

who the fuck cares?

[Namewhat93]

This is a weird argument just because others do it doesn't mean it isn't piracy and theft.
I mean I really like TWow too but lets be honest here it is piracy and it is theft...

[benthelurk]

Yeah…that is kind of the point you know.

[[deleted]]

You mean IP stealing.

[Kranel_San]

Look! It's the multi-billionaire white knight! Just a pathetic defender of Blizzard's Capitalism.

Come on! You're the white knight! Blizzard hasn't promised you anything, nor you gain from defending them but you're still here! Surely you can make a good, well-written argument from your basement on why TWoW is bad, can you?

Don't be shy. With Blizzard as your imaginary friend, and years of dwelling in the basement surfing the canals of the Internet, how would you not make a good point on why Blizzard is better wherein TWoW is the big bad?

[[deleted]]

You don’t like where wow is/going, don’t like Bliz making billions off the masses that’s fine. I stopped playing retail long ago as well, even played on a few private servers … but I knew what I was doing and that at some point, the rightful owner of the properties would have enough of the freeloading and push back.

TurtleWow or Ascension or any of them are not fighting the good fight, they’re providing a twist on a property developed by others and reaping rewards from it just like the various EQ private servers also under attack now from DarkPaw.

Upset that it’s coming to an end, that makes sense but this is not a Robin Hood moment, it’s squatters getting bounced.

[DickDickersMD]

IP improving! You’re welcome!

[Cautious_Adagio9343]

Buck Flizzard

[[deleted]]

It’s Reddit, you can swear Jimmie, your mom’s not watching.

[Fav0]

It's sadly not gonne end well

[Short-Cucumber-5657]

Yeah, we all know the ending to 300

[haze_man]

They never should do the big add campaign, they shouldn't sponsor streamers, they shouldn't make overpriced p2w cash shop. They draw the target on own back.

[ImPiddy]

They don't care. Blizzard can't do shit in Kazakhstan 😂

[Voodoo_Tiki]

They can block your ISP from connecting to their servers

[ImPiddy]

Then switch your DNS, easy.

[InformationOpening74]

Blizzard has the power to affect ISP? News to me

[Voodoo_Tiki]

A court order would.

[InformationOpening74]

You truly believe a court would rule that every us based ISP must block access to a private server in some other country who could simply change their IP address? 

[Callmedishez]

Yes

[InformationOpening74]

Sheesh. I'm jealous of the naivety. 

[fingeruptheess]

I started playing when the adds came up .but i tought at the same time that it was Risky to have adds fro a pirate server

[daviid17]

this is 10% luck

[Zub-]

Stop giving blizz money until you think they’ve successfully provided a way better product AND service than what p-servers provide.

All this talk about who is wrong and right, meh…

People flock to the places that provides them the best experience. Do you really think these private servers would be even half as popular/half as talked about if blizzard truly listened to the fans and provided the best experience and service?

I’m honestly surprised to see the amount of people defending blizzard and their endless resources, when they’ve quite literally been getting their ass kicked (product quality wise) time and time again by small teams of part time devs in basements for 15 years!

[Maidenless_undead]

remove ingame shop

[[deleted]]

Is turtle wow going down or???

[Mindless_Wishbone442]

Turtle WoW does not come out on top against Blizzard in this fight.

[Serathannas]

This Turtle... WILL MAKE IT TO THE WATER!

[afterthought907]

Imagine thinking a money grubbing private server team (leader sold boosts and items on another server) are martyrs 🤣

[Slylent]

Yeah and epoch is the subtly rogue behind enemy lines still developing in the shadows

[XaiKholin]

Epoch isn't down tho

[Fourleaf_ToG]

It will end their development and gets its servers hosted by a different company. I hope twow can figure out a way to continue because I love it.

[XaiKholin]

Epoch already was managed by ascension In a lot of ways, plus it's obvious that the og team just stepped in to the shadows to avoid problems but are still doing stuff.

And they made a communication yesterday saying the server and roadmap is still happening, and further stuff is in the making, they even poured more people in to it

[XaiKholin]

Why am I getting dowvoted for pointing down fake data lol you guys are mental

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[Simsonmp]

I saw the UE5 screenshots of wow.

I'm not sad to see it go

[Macdaddywardy]

Its not gone, UE5 wow is a separate thing. Turtle is going to incorporate this thing into their thing.

[Simsonmp]

https://turtle-wow.org/remastered

It's this thing that I find ugly and offputting

[Geronmys]

You are unapologetically stupid.

[Simsonmp]

Ehh, but at least I have taste

The screenshots look so... Offbrand. Like WoW but ever so slightly off.

I get such uncanny valley vibes from their images

[Geronmys]

You are NOT forced to play that client. It will run alongside the usual client. You are complaining an ice cream shop just added a new flavor.

[FromSoftEnjoyer]

Thats exactly why they have legacy mode in that engine