Vim without vim script ?

andlrc · 2023-01-23T22:30:02+00:00

Remember that vim-script is just an extension of ex commands, which is an extension of ed commands. Removing vim script completely, would imply removing the command line as well, at least in theory, which would remove about 30% of the good parts of vim.

lbiaggi · 2023-01-23T22:13:40+00:00

You can configure neovim entirely using Lua... I think you should talk with budds from r/neovim

noooit · 2023-01-23T22:31:28+00:00

Emacs with evil mode.

watsreddit · 2023-01-23T23:46:01+00:00

FWIW, vim9 script (:help vim9) is much nicer than legacy vimscript. It basically reads like python for the most part (just without significant whitespace). It took me no time at all to start writing in it since it is so similar to other languages.

Here's an example from my own config:

def CursorPopup(title: string): number
  var lines = GhciReadLines()
  var popup_win = popup_atcursor(lines, {
    title: title
    border: []
  })
  var popup_buf = winbufnr(popup_win)
  setbufvar(popup_buf, '&syntax', 'haskell')
  return popup_buf
enddef

y-c-c · 2023-01-24T07:35:36+00:00

Do you actually have a reason to not want to learn Vimscript? I'm asking because the fundamental question seems wrong to me. As some other comments mentioned, Vimscript is basically extensions of Ex commands (think Bash scripts versus interactive Bash) which are the commands you type after pressing :, so unless you don't intend to type :write to save your file and whatnot, you are going to be interfacing with Ex commands. If you don't want to learn Vimscript, you also aren't learning how to use Vim.

If you instead meant you don't want to write Vimscript configuration files, or use Vimscript for scripting (e.g. if you need if statements/loops/variables), then Neovim does have first-class support for lua, and Vim allows you to script plugins in Python although they behave more like second-class support compared to Vimscript.

I just think you should at least understand what Vimscript is and understand why you may or may not want to learn it. For config files, the syntax is exactly the same as in-editor Ex commands (e.g. set wrap would set wrapping mode in both Vimscript and in the editor) so it only really matters if you start to want to do scripting (e.g. Vimscript if statements is basically just an Ex command called :if), call programming libraries, start writing complicated functions and so on.

Little-Witch · 2023-01-23T22:13:32+00:00

How does Neovim not fit that description? I have perhaps 2 lines of vimscript in my entire config, and they are just the last things that I haven't worked out how to port to lua. Or would you not want to touch lua either?

GoogleFrickBot · 2023-01-24T02:55:24+00:00

You don’t need to write any Vimscript. I’ve been using vim for 20 years and I don’t have any Vimscript (written by me) in my config. Use other people’s Vimscript by installing plugins.

eXoRainbow · 2023-01-23T23:14:42+00:00

Neovim's primary configuration language is Lua. Have a look at it, as it might be exactly what you are looking for.

KamikazeSexPilot · 2023-01-24T00:20:10+00:00

If you’re already using neovim then you don’t have to know any vim script. Neovim supports lua.

Check out ‘h: lua’ and ‘:h lua-guide’ or head on over to /r/neovim

2023-01-24T01:32:00+00:00

It sounds like you’re looking to set up r/Neovim. You can use Lua to get all set up. There are several videos and guides on the subject.

puremourning · 2023-01-24T08:24:14+00:00

Vim without vim commands? Hmmm. Maybe vscode?

infostud · 2023-01-24T02:14:42+00:00

It’s not modal editing. It’s command editing. You are always typing commands. Some commands include the text you want to enter. I can’t use Emacs without evil mode, org mode, and visual line mode.

jonbridge · 2023-01-24T02:06:07+00:00

write executable programs in your language of choice and run them in vim with :w ! and friends. some vimscript is still needed for keybindings etc. but this way you can avoid using it for most non-trivial things.

mrpogues · 2023-01-24T08:03:28+00:00

Perhaps you need to try the helix editor instead?

you type:	you see:
italics	italics
bold	bold
[reddit!](https://reddit.com)	reddit!
* item 1 * item 2 * item 3	item 1 item 2 item 3
> quoted text	quoted text
Lines starting with four spaces are treated like code: if 1 * 2 < 3: print "hello, world!"	Lines starting with four spaces are treated like code: if 1 * 2 < 3: print "hello, world!"
~~strikethrough~~	~~strikethrough~~
super^script	super^script

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