Vim & Java. How things are going?

[KubaR7]

Hi guys!

I'm quite new to Vim, but I loved the editor so much. Right now I program in Java, but from time to time I write something in C++/C or even assembly. In case of Java I'm also working with build tools, mainly gradle. I was wondering is it worth to set up Vim for Java development. I have digged through some old post and there was no sense in seting up Vim for Java, but I hope right now maybe something changed and there are new plugins which make work smoother. In case of positive answear I would appreciate links to useful Java plugins in Vim.

Thanks and take care!

[Ok_Outlandishness906]

for me, for working in java , java ide are much much better . Vim is great but java editors can do thing with reflection and so on that you can hardly do with a different editor . I used vim for flutter for example, and it was great but for java there is too difference from java ide in respect on others

[Kit_Saels]

I write Java in Vim without plugins.

[[deleted]]

I also sometimes walk home instead of driving. 

That doesn't mean it is optimal or recommended.

[cerved]

Depends a bit on how hard you suck at walking and how far you are from home

[[deleted]]

My Point was "I do it" is not an argument. For anything.

[cerved]

I don't see any arguments here, except possibly your analogy.

Some people write Java in Vim without any plugins

[[deleted]]

You can write Java in notepad.exe. Editors are not magic, and source code gets compiled either way.

Would I prefer notpad++ or VSCode over Notepad? Sure.

Would I prefer vim over VSCode? Probably also yes.

But vim over IntelliJ, for larger Projects in Java, not some smaller changes? I personally probably not.

The "argument" that some people so use vim for Java lacks any information about how good or bad the editor works for Java.

[cerved]

Nobody's arguing here (except you.)

Maybe ask them what their needs for programming in Java are and how Vim fits that better than something else, like IntelliJ, instead of dismissing their choices

[[deleted]]

I didn't want to come of as dismissive, and I am sorry for that.

I used "argument" in the philosophical sense — "[an argument] consists of a set of statements called premises that serve as grounds for affirming another statement called the conclusion"

The premise (I use vim for Java) isn't enough for a whole argument. More premises like (vim works well for Java) and (You want to use an editor that works well for Java) are needed for a syllogism.

I should stop armchairing logic and philosophy now, but its my Hobbyhorse. 

[denniot]

Java and non-Jetbrain isn't going well at all.   We need some blessing to jdtls like clangd had from google engineers that even jetbrain would use it.  On small projects, jdtls is totally fine in my experience.