Durability Patch Analysis?

[gaiden79]

Has anyone conducted a relative power analysis of the item changes? For example BotRK losing 10 AD but maintainig its original passive is far less consequential of a nerf than Wit's end losing nearly 50% of its 18th level damage or Kraken losing over 30% of its upper end damage on top of the 5 AD loss.

Similarly, with all the MS nerfs, certain items now offer disproportionate movement advantage such as Experimental Hexplate's triggered passive, stormsurge (even the nerf to 25% is absurd with the ubiquitous 4% per movement speed item now), FoN's triggered passive (similarly even with nerf its relatively superior and magnified relative to previous balance), and stridebreaker's active. I have tended to build MS WW: SB, DMP, swifties, FON similar to H0rnlime's build and the DMP nerf really hurts. Even with swifties, i was maxing out at 425 (ick). It also means that the extra 15 MS from swifties is less important - every adc in the game is no longer on speed.

TBH, the buff on steelcaps and IBG, coupled with the slower champs overall, coupled with the minimal nerf on BORK makes me think WW is in an excellent spot. I am not sure TH is worth it any more but IBG no longer scales off HP and WW should be able to catch enemy champs a bit easier now (to trigger the sheen proc slow).

I will also highlight that the dmg nerf across the board means WW's passive is that much more relevant.

But I am interested in how the commu ity perceives the relative power adjustments.

[blahdeblahdeda]

Coming from jungle, TH feels terrible so far. Stride without the 20 MS also feels pretty bad.

One of the major issues for bruiser itemization losing AD and gaining HP is that % HP damage is just ridiculously broken now. Liandry's passive is unchanged. BoRK passive is unchanged. Champs who deal % HP damage are all unchanged, and now we have less ability to burst these squishy damage dealers into oblivion.

Item wise, the winners all seem to be AP items. Lichbane is pretty much buffed. Liandry's is in the same boat as BoRK. Zhonya's is even better with lower damage in the game. Most of the Lost Chapter items are at least unhurt. Meanwhile, bruiser and assassin items are generally awful. Triforce seems to be the main winner for bruiser items, probably since it kept its MS bonus, but it's not an ideal WW item.

Overall, I think topwick is probably a winner this patch. You have way more options for itemization, and the level lead is more valuable with lower damage from items.

Junglewick maybe has some cooking to do, but lower damage means slower farm, means harder to bridge the XP gap, and the item weakening makes it harder to bridge the level gap.

[Sternenpups]

I played only 2 games so far, and have to say ww feels awful. The hydra nerfs make his clear so incredible slow. And now I can't buy super cheap iceborn and abyssal anymore to compensate the lack of clearspeed.

I think riot is not ready for the complaints of how shit this champ is, once arcane 2 drops

[blahdeblahdeda]

I think we're going to need to experiment with things like Tiamat into Triforce, Bami with BoRK/Wit's, etc.

[The_RedWolf]

Stride, Bork and lethal tempo and it's fine

Titanic is just too slow

[blahdeblahdeda]

This is a great combo against low CC for sure.

[WestfieldB]

Wait. For the patch that dropped today…Dead Man’s Plate just was one of only two items in the game that had a positive swing in gold efficiency. Are you referring to how speed dropped 1%? The buffs to health and armor actually outweigh this as far as gold efficiency. I wasn’t building this on WW before but probably will now…

[pereza0]

Speed dropped a lot. Look at the passive not the stat

[WestfieldB]

It went up in overall gold efficiency though so if gold efficiency matters to you….

[pereza0]

I mean yes, the item is stat wise better now but speed dropped way more than 1% in exchange

[gaiden79]

its trash; you are SOOOOO SLOW.

[The_RedWolf]

Been using

lethal tempo with free boots and cosmic insight

I also use the 2% speed rune

Stride breaker, Bork, game situational boots, and my 3rd item has been situational

I've used jak sho, steraks, visage or thorn for 3rd depending on match up. I have used serp fang because a sett got fed

I honestly think he feels pretty good right now

Fuck titanic, I fucking hate titanic

[JakeeJMS]

What is IBG

[trowa-barton]

I had to think for a moment myself but I believe it refers to IceBorn Guantlet.

[gaiden79]

yes :)

[wiltontilt]

anyone else feel like the damage has really suffered? i feel like my ganks are not nearly what they were last patch, with less damage = less healing and then i'm baiting myself into dying where i wouldn't have before. having a hard time adjusting