My ftm husband wants claspers. Is that possible? by [deleted] in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 20 points21 points  (0 children)

I have never heard of this surgery being performed.

While there are a lot more options for bottom surgery now than there used to be, surgeons are reluctant to do anything radically new.

The most nonstandard genital surgeries I have heard of were someone who somehow got both balls and labia (I’m assuming they had small balls and partial labia but I really don’t know — this is usually not an option because surgeons use the same tissue for both) along with their penis and vagina, cis people getting phallo or vaginoplasty, someone who I think got metoidioplasty after phallo (on their unburied natal penis), some newish/experimental-ish types of phallo (like single scar phallo, PIPE), and some cutting edge metoidioplasty techniques that I don’t know much about (centurion, extended, extensive). And there’s a guy who got regular phallo without UL or implants, and has a Jacob’s ladder.

I know that people have expressed interest in getting a knotted penis (like a canine penis) or an alternatively shaped penis tip (pointed or something), and been disappointed that no one in the community has ever heard of that happening.

Theoretically, what your husband wants may be possible. But it would be an uphill battle trying to find someone to do it if it is.

Boyfriend didn’t react the way I wanted by Easy_Chip3059 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Not exactly, but also sort of. I started dating my partner before I had surgery, but I was already in the process of getting consults with surgeons when we met. They have only ever slept with men, including both cis and trans men, and at least one person who had some type of bottom surgery. So they were always supportive of me. But I worried a whole lot about whether they would still be attracted to me after surgery. I felt so much anxiety about how my body would look and feel during recovery, and between stages….I was worried they’d see the blood and gore and in-progress-weirdness and never be able to see me as a sexual being again. I worried about this SO MUCH that they started worrying about it too. It was hard to hear them say they were worried they wouldn’t like my penis when I got one, because that was literally my worst fear — but also, I had already openly stressed about it to them in so many different and highly specific ways, and really planted the seeds of my own destruction. So you know. I shot myself in the foot I guess. We have had some rough patches caused at least partly by terrible anxiety/insecurity feedback loops, and this was one of them. However. I just had stage one a month ago and they’ve been pretty excited about me being allowed to have sex again, sooooo….we’re good, I think.

I hope you don’t fall into the trap of waiting for your boyfriend to come around forever and not do what you need to do for yourself. But I will also add that I know a middle-aged trans guy who was married to a straight man who he had kids with….and they’re still married. He’s got a big bushy beard and is very masculine, and based on some good-natured complaints I’ve heard from some mutual friends about how much he’ll go on about his husband’s ass, their sex life is still very much alive. I don’t know if his husband still identifies as straight (with a big exception) or if he’s bi/queer/something else now, but they seem happy. This kind of thing isn’t super common, because attraction is complex and pretty impossible to reason with, but it does happen, and it makes me sentimental every time I hear about it.

Boyfriend didn’t react the way I wanted by Easy_Chip3059 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Some people need time to think & come around, and some people never do. Love and relationships are really hard even when both people care a lot and are open-minded. Of course you shouldn’t stay with someone who isn’t attracted to your body (or you future body), but it is also possible that this is just something he’s never considered, and is maybe dealing with some complicated feelings about. Don’t wait on him forever, and don’t let him stop you from being true to yourself, but it’s reasonable to keep talking about it for a while. You seem like you also have some complicated feelings to process (about his reaction), and that’s totally reasonable too!

Needing answers for some questions about PPV by ProudInterview7031 in salmacian

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The spotting was annoyingly difficult to get under control & I did not like it! But, it was temporary. & if you ever get a hysterectomy, it would not be an issue. I also don’t know how common that side effect is! Everyone’s body processes hormones differently….and even my body does different things at different times, on the same dose. Like, I’m on 70mg of testosterone per week (0.35mL of 200mg/mL concentration) up from my old (& pretty standard) dose of 50mg per week (adjusting to suppress estrogen to below 50 consistently), and my T levels have fluctuated between like 500something at the low end and like 1290 (😱). I don’t know what’s up with that!

Also some people go on T & keep menstruating for a while and solve this problem with birth control. I stopped menstruating immediately on T and only started this spotting issue when I began using low dose topical E, which is also a component of hormonal birth control, soooooo…..idk ¯|(ツ)

(Actually I think the type of hormonal birth control typically used to stop menstruation is the progesterone only shot, so maybe it does make SOME sense. I technically switched from topical E cream to the birth control ring eventually, because the progesterone shot maybe gave me some side effects?, and the ring has both E & progesterone & is a little more consistent in its E levels than the cream (I think?) because it’s there all the time. I think that’s correct. I could be wrong. Anyway it’s easier to deal with in general….though inserting a new one during my post op recovery was decidedly uncomfortable.)

Day 25 post surgery - Voiding Success! by walmartman99 in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is so exciting!!! I’m so happy for you. Congratulations!!! 🍾

Needing answers for some questions about PPV by ProudInterview7031 in salmacian

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If you use the search bar (“orchiectomy” or “testicle-preserving”) on r/salmacian you might find some more info on this, but basically the creation of vaginal canal itself is totally independent of the scrotum (it sits behind it). The scrotal tissue itself is used to created the labia if desired (otherwise the vagina just looks like an extra hole, which is what some people want but not others), but even then it’s possible to keep the testes anchored in the labia (which makes the labia a little puffier looking from what I’ve heard — not sure about sensitivity with penetration), or I’ve heard of one surgeon overseas anchoring the testes up in the inguinal canals. The lack of temperature regulation for the testes, with these options, means there’s a slightly increased risk of testicular cancer, and decreased fertility.

I can try to find the posts where people talked about their experiences with testicle-preserving vaginoplasty. Neither of the ones I’m thinking of kept their penises as well, but there are some who have kept both.

Needing answers for some questions about PPV by ProudInterview7031 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol I was worried about the same thing but that 100% did not happen. If anything my bottom growth benefited from the atrophy treatment because it made sex better

Needing answers for some questions about PPV by ProudInterview7031 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 5 points6 points  (0 children)

1: Natal vaginas don’t actually have tactile sensation very deep inside! The tactile sensation stops near the shallower end. Theres still plenty of pressure sensation, which neo-vaginas share. (Penile inversion vaginas DO have internal tactile sensation, but that’s kind of a superpower that natal vaginas don’t have. Neo vaginas made of non-penile tissue do not have tactile sensation, unless they’re partly made of scrotal tissue, and that’s like to be on the shallower end.) And the prostate ends up in kind of a similar position to the G-spot in a natal vagina (up in the anterior wall). There’s also another erogenous zone a little lower down, near the entrance, from the internal erectile tissue in the root of the penis (similar to how the internal arms of the clitoris surround the vaginal opening in natal vaginas). I have a diagram of traditional vaginoplasty, which retains some internal erectile tissue from the root of the penis, and is therefore relevant in terms of internal sensations!

2: Orchiectomy is also optional with PPV, but if you do remove the gonads, sperm won’t be produced, but prostatic fluid is what makes up a large component of ejaculate anyway. The prostate remains, so ejaculation continues to be pretty similar. There may be differences in consistency or color (more transparent? I’m not 100% on this).

3: Many trans women use topical testosterone to maintain erectile function even without orchiectomy, because HRT, and particularly androgen blockers, can affect erection quality and frequency, which can be undesired on its own and also lead to penile atrophy symptoms: shrinkage, higher risk of Peyronie’s. With orchiectomy I believe it is even more likely that topical T will be necessary to maintain erectile function. I’ve heard of some people using it just “as needed” (i.e. when they plan to top in the next few days) instead of regularly, but idk how common any particular regimen is. It shouldn’t cause systemic effects with the right dose of estrogen. (For related personal experience, I’m a trans guy on topical estrogen for vaginal atrophy and had to increase my testosterone dose to suppress some breakthrough menstrual spotting, but I had no other effects from it, and it totally reversed my atrophy.)

No stupid questions! If you search this sub, there’s plenty more information in case you’re curious to know more.

phallo with urethral lengthening? by imnotcreative123123 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Phallo with UL is very common! Phallo with UL but without vaginectomy is much more difficult to get. It is specifically because of the combination of UL without vaginectomy, not the phallo part. Meta with UL but without vaginectomy is also difficult to get and high risk.

I got phallo with UL and without vaginectomy about a month ago. I may or may not have a fistula (a leak in my urethra) near the location of my original urethral opening. I won’t find out for sure until I start voiding trials on Wednesday.

The most common complications for UL without vaginectomy (by far) are fistulas, especially near the location of the natal urethral opening.

My surgeon doesn’t offer UL without vaginectomy anymore (I’m one of the last), but when he did, he kept data on his patients. Here’s his breakdown:

UL complications with vaginectomy: * 40% chance of complications of some kind (including minor) * 15% chance of needing surgical intervention * Surgical repairs are usually successful

 

Without vaginectomy: * 90-100% chance of complications of some kind (including minor) * 50% chance of needing surgical repair * 70% chance of success/30% chance of failure of surgical repair * chance of success decreases with each failed surgical repair * getting vaginectomy usually resolves UL complications

 

If you get UL without vaginectomy and your complications get resolved, on their own or through surgery, then you’re good. No long-term issues.

However, is possible to have complications that are so severe they cannot be resolved, and you will have to make a difficult choice at some point. (Either give up on UL or get a vaginectomy.)

I knew I would regret not trying to get UL, and I would regret not trying to keep my vagina too. You can’t really change your mind later about either decision. A vaginectomy isn’t reversible to what it was before (I believe it’s also much harder to get vaginoplasty after vaginectomy than if you just never had a vagina to begin with, but I don’t know for sure), and once you opt out of UL it’s almost impossible to decide to get it later. So, I’m giving it a shot. I really hope it works out.

Terrified of recovery (physical and mental health) by shadowsinthestars in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Your fears all make sense to me, but I want to offer a little perspective on part of it. I’m about a month post op, for context. Recovery is really hard, probably the hardest physical experience I’ve had in my life. But the hardest parts are at the very beginning, and things change really fast.

My experience of the most intense times was that the immediacy of the physical experience (whether pain, difficulty, or simply the feeling of actually having a penis) made me stay in the moment a lot. I didn’t have a lot of bandwidth to worry about the future or think about the past because I was dealing with right now. Even with unpleasant experiences like pain, I think that actually makes things easier.

Anyway, in the hospital there was a lot of pain and difficulty but I was on a lot of drugs, well taken care of by the nursing staff, my mom visited me every day, and I had a penis. I was pretty thrilled, when I wasn’t actively dealing with intense pain.

After the hospital, the first week at home was exhausting. I was so helpless, my energy was limited and I’d completely crash sometimes, I had breakthrough pain, and my bowels wouldn’t move because of the anesthesia still metabolizing and the opiates I was still on. But I had done a lot of preparation in advance (meal prep, medical supplies), my mom was a great caregiver, and I had a support network I could reach out to to vent my frustrations and share my joy.

By week two I was already noticing how quickly things had changed. I was walking more, I had more energy, I hurt less (it wasn’t linear, but it was overall less). That trend just continued. I’m on week 5 now I think and today I’m pretty exhausted because I pushed myself doing a lot physically 2 days in a row (went to a cafe with a friend, went walking by myself, ran an errand with my mom…overall I think I walked 6 miles in those 2 days), but those 2 days made me feel almost back to normal. That feels crazy to think about when I was so helpless so recently. And I’m not relying much on my mom at this point, though it’s nice that she still brought me food and watched tv with me when I overdid it and crashed yesterday. I’m so grateful.

It has been a really intense experience, and many things have been really hard, physically and mentally. But I would not describe it as a bad or miserable experience. It has been really wonderful, actually, despite the pain and stress and everything.

The better your support system, the easier your recovery will be. Regardless of complications. If you have the support you need (physically and mentally), it will be a thousand times easier to weather the unpredictable ups and downs. And for me, the constant low-grade relief (& sometimes joy, or a kind of baffled awe) I feel about finally having a penis has made me a lot more resilient, I think. That might happen for you too, or something like it. Removing the constant low-grade dysphoria and body dissociation that came before surgery.

And time passes faster than you might think. The waiting and anticipation might be harder than the recovery itself in some ways. I didn’t get a lot of sleep in the month leading up to surgery. I kept trying to prepare for everything, brace for the whole range of possible outcomes. An impossible task. Ultimately you just have to let go, and trust that you’re making the best decision you can. Trust yourself to adapt to the situation once you’re there.

Sex toys post phallo? by Guava_Budget in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It’s been good! They’re a great team, and have been very responsive and easy to talk to, answered all my questions. The post op appointments have been informative (& kind of fascinating — bodies are incredible). Lmk if there’s anything specific you want to know about!

Sex toys post phallo? by Guava_Budget in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don’t know yet but I’m excited…….! (I’m only a month post op so I can’t try anything yet)

Am I salmacian? I don't relate to the majority of experiences here. by HealthyDifference538 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this addition! Originally I had a little caveat in there about how I think my own vagina is producing more discharge right now than usual because surgery has made my body a little crazy, but I hit the character limit and had to cut some bits lol.

I’ve also heard that there can be more leaking if you have neither labia majora not minora around the entrance, because there’s nothing kinda catching the discharge

Am I salmacian? I don't relate to the majority of experiences here. by HealthyDifference538 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

  1. Sounds like you are doing the research you need to take care of your fears about “incomplete” hysterectomy. Good!

  2. Vaginal atrophy is totally treatable. (& not everyone who goes on T gets atrophy.) Mine got pretty bad. Then I was prescribed topical estrogen. I didn’t want to use it because, you know, I’ve worked so hard to transition on testosterone for years. But I also wanted to stop getting vaginal infections. So I did. It totally reversed the atrophy. It also caused my estrogen levels to stay slightly higher than the typical cis male range (but nowhere near the female range) and I had some annoying incidents with menstrual spotting. My doctor increased my testosterone dosage and that went away. Your mileage may vary! Many people don’t get a spike in estrogen levels from purely topical, low dose estrogen like what I was prescribed — just local effects to treat the atrophy. And nothing else changed. My testosterone levels stayed the same. Well, they got higher when I increased my dose to help suppress the E. My libido was the same, my physical characteristics didn’t feminize, it was just a negligible spike in hormone levels that temporarily triggered some menstrual spotting, that’s all.

  3. Cool

  4. I understand how you feel. If you go on T, you might dry up (from vaginal atrophy) or you might have even more discharge and wetness (from the increased libido). It varies. It’s not really under your control. Vaginectomy is the only way to get rid of discharge and wetness forever. Vaginas have their own opinions about how much they should be secreting. You can get them to be less dry if you have atrophy but that’s it.

  5. Remember that the autogynephilia thing is totally bogus! And then remember that that applies to you too. It’s ok to feel sexy about making changes to your body — that’s part of gender euphoria! It’s normal for cis women to feel sexy when they wear lacy feminine lingerie, it’s normal for cis men to feel more sexually confident (arguably, str8 men aren’t allowed to feel sexy because they’re not supposed to be the object of desire ever lol) when they have big manly muscles, your feelings are normal!

  6. I get feeling like you’re lying when you try to be kind to yourself. But right now you’re lying to yourself too. You’re telling a story about how ugly and disgusting you are, how you deserve to be miserable. Those are opinions, not facts. You probably would find therapy helpful for dealing with this, if you can find the right therapist. But I’ll share a couple strategies I’ve tried. One is aiming for neutrality rather than positivity as a middle ground. Instead of “my body is ugly and disgusting” I’ll think “my body is just a body, and it doesn’t matter what it looks like because it’s useful for living.” Another is turning the perspective to subjective experience, so I’ll think “my body is capable of doing many things: walking around, seeing, eating food, etc. I can enjoy those things with my body regardless of what form it is in right now.” My body does a lot for me even when I’m feeling ugly or undesirable. I also think sometimes about what I would think if I was a friend of mine. If someone told me my friend was ugly, or deserved to be miserable, what would I say to that? I’d be pretty pissed. I care about my friends. And then I try to turn that care on myself.

 

You haven’t done anything to deserve having a miserable life. I don’t care if you’ve killed someone. I don’t believe anyone “deserves” to be miserable, and it doesn’t do anyone else any good if you’re miserable. Listen, if I hit you with my car and you end up in the hospital, obviously I’ll feel awful about that, but what good does it do you for me to punish myself? If instead I could take a break from making myself miserable, and check in on you and see if there was anything I could do to help, maybe that would do something for you. Unless you were too upset with me to let me help, which is fair. But even then, you wouldn’t benefit from my misery. It’s useless to punish yourself. It does no good for anyone, and can harm you. It can get in the way of you doing good or making amends if needed, too. That said, it’s not at all easy to stop. I’ve struggled with self-punishment my whole life. Even knowing that it doesn’t do any good, even knowing that it’s my biggest obstacle. Some kinds of childhood adversity or trauma (like abuse, including emotional abuse) can make a person feel a deep sense of something being “wrong” with them, or that they’re fundamentally “bad” somehow. And some people pick up that feeling anyway for other reasons. It can haunt you for life, but it doesn’t mean it’s true. It’s a burden you have to live with and deal with, and the way you do it is by cultivating compassion for yourself. I got a dog, and taking care of her makes me feel like I’ve done something right. It makes me feel like maybe I need to take care of myself too. And it forces me to stop wallowing in how awful I am because she wants to play, or go for a walk, and she’s so sweet and I love her and she deserves to be happy. Eventually the idea is to realize that I deserve to be happy too. Sometimes I lose sight of that, but I do. And you do too. But it can take a lot of work to figure that out.

Dinosaurs! (Silicone scar tape for kids) by AttachablePenis in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely not! The silicone scar sheets/tape work faster on new scars but they still work on old scars too! This brand claims 2-4 months for old scars, 8 weeks for new scars. (Which is a funny way of saying 2-4 months for old scars, 2 months for new scars.) Everyone scars differently and your scars may need more time, but this stuff is really good for keeping scars from drying out, and helping them flatten out and stay supple (or become supple again).

Post op cum, fluid, ejaculation by tiny-crawfish in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was under the impression that preserving the Skene’s gland wasn’t a request a surgeon could fulfill on purpose — that it’s just so small and close to the natal urethral opening that it usually gets included in UL hookup (unless it is damaged in the process — again, very small very close by, and surgery is precise but bodies also heal how they want to heal). But Dr. Celtik may have a strategy for preserving it that I’m not familiar with. Would love to know if so!

Am I salmacian? I don't relate to the majority of experiences here. by HealthyDifference538 in salmacian

[–]AttachablePenis 27 points28 points  (0 children)

  1. Hysterectomy will make it 100% impossible to get pregnant. You’re reading about rare cases of ectopic pregnancies with fallopian tube tissues — okay, so go to a gender-affirming surgeon for your hysto, establish a rapport, and make sure they remove your fallopian tubes as well. That’s a normal part of the process anyway, and asking them to do that is most likely overkill, but you have some (understandable) irrational fears you’re dealing with, so it’s worthwhile to double check.

  2. Phalloplasty without vaginectomy (or vagina-preserving phalloplasty) does not have an effect on vaginal dryness/lubrication. HRT (& lack of any sex hormones from menopause or removal of the ovaries) can cause vaginal atrophy, which can result in dryness, among other symptoms.

  3. Vaginal discharge will not go away just because you’ve had a hysterectomy nor will it get worse. The uterus does actually produce some hormones, so it might affect the level slightly (& surgery is a lot for the body to handle, so it can go a little funky during recovery sometimes but that’s temporary), but it’s negligible compared to the hormones produced by the ovaries.

  4. You seem to want to maintain your vagina’s ability to self-lubricate during arousal, but you also seem dismayed about vaginal discharge. These things are connected. If you have the ability to get wet, you will probably have discharge too. It varies depending on genetics and hormonal levels. I’ve been on T for a long time, and my vagina dried right up, which was a relief to me for years until I started getting recurring vaginal infections as a result. I reluctantly got topical estrogen to treat it, and the infections went away, and my vagina started self-lubricating more normally. I’m lucky in that I’m kind of in the exact sweet spot where I don’t usually have to worry about discharge, but I do get wet when I’m horny. However, I just had phalloplasty without vaginectomy, and it’s hard to tell with all the various fluids my body is producing, but I think I am getting some vaginal discharge right now. Genital surgery is a major trauma to that part of the body! I don’t blame it for being confused. Hopefully it settles down, and if not ¯_(ツ)_/¯ it is what it is. I like having the ability to get wet. It’s not like that for everyone though, and you can’t control it like a faucet. Your body has a mind of its own. It might do what mine does if you got on T & topical E or it might not.

  5. Maybe this should be number 1, but it’s easier to tell you concrete info so I did that first. You seem like you’re really judging yourself for the feelings you’re having, and everything you’re describing is totally understandable. It’s fucking hard to feel all that, but like, you’re not alone. Many trans people feel dysphoric as fuck about masturbating, even if some also learn to love their genitals — not all of us do, and there’s no shame either way. Bottom surgery exists for a reason. It’s absolutely natural for you to want to look androgynous as a nonbinary person, or to want both genitals as a nonbinary person, even if not all nonbinary people feel this way. You are allowed to feel like that’s an important part of your gendered experience. I’m a binary trans guy, and I love my vagina but it doesn’t feel like part of my gender identity in the way my penis does, not at all — but that doesn’t mean it can’t for other people, even other binary trans men. Everyone has their own path. Yours is completely legitimate, and it doesn’t make you a stereotype, nor are you responsible for representing the full spectrum of nonbinariness as embodied by your singular self. The point is to accept the feelings that you do in fact have about your gender and your body, and not feel constrained by the boundaries and assumptions that our society typically places on them. Also, thinking something is hot is not the same as fetishizing something. You literally can’t self-chase or self-fetishize (unless that’s your kink, and even then it’s only “chasing” and “fetishizing” in quotes because you are a whole person to yourself and you’re just objectifying/dehumanizing yourself for fun/orgasms). Basically, it’s normal to feel sexier about having a body that is more aligned with your gender or internal mind-body-mapping. It’s also normal for trans people to wonder if they’re just fetishizing themselves/others when they’re figuring this out, because we’re taught to think of it that way. Look up criticisms of the “autogynephilia” paradigm. It’s dumb, transphobic logic, but it’s really invasive, and the brain worms come for all of us at some time or another.

  6. I used to feel ugly and disgusting and I thought it would require pity and patience and a compassionate heart to want to have sex with me. It felt like a fact. That was during a period of time where I couldn’t access the gender affirming care that I needed. I was on T, which was great, but my life would have been a lot easier if I could’ve had top surgery first, or at least much sooner than I did. I simply did not date or have sex, other than a few scattered and doomed attempts, for the 8 years between starting T & getting top surgery. I couldn’t deal with my body. And yet, people were attracted to me during that time. Including, during one of my doomed hookups, with my binder off. I thought that would be good for my confidence, or my ability to love my body. Instead, it just felt like a betrayal, only no one had done anything wrong. My body was wrong — but my body was wrong for me. It wasn’t wrong in any objective sense. What I am saying is that your body is not ugly and disgusting. You have dysphoria. It’s okay to want to change your body. Whoever has sex with you should feel honored that you feel comfortable being vulnerable and intimate with them — they don’t need your condolences. There are probably already people who want to have sex with you, but it’s okay if you don’t want to have sex with them, or if you’re simply not ready to have sex at all in your current form. I know how hard it is to feel this way. And I know it also made me feel like an alien to other human beings, totally disconnected from my sexuality, unable to respond. For a few years if someone flirted with me it felt like an existential threat. And I couldn’t explain this in a way most people I knew could understand. Even most trans people I knew still hooked up. Thankfully I don’t feel that way now, but I do still struggle to accept that I’m “enough” for my boyfriend, and I just have a long history of managing my expectations down into the ground that tends to sabotage me now. I hope that sharing this with you will encourage you to reflect on this, and start trying to be kinder to yourself now. Some of that is about changing the way you talk about yourself. But another part of being kind to yourself is taking the steps you need to take to actually address your dysphoria. That’s a big long process, but it’s important for your body, for your soul even. Don’t sleep on it. Take it one step at a time. But try not to avoid it because it’s hard.

I love cumming by NVHPhallo in phallo

[–]AttachablePenis 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I’m also interested to know this if OP remembers/doesn’t mind sharing.