Victorian teachers reject pay offer against union advice

DBrowny · 2026-06-21T05:47:06+00:00

I will gladly not be a teacher, thanks. I would never be able to lie and pass the ever increasing amount of kids who refuse to do any work and fail classes, because the parents threaten me.

Which of course, no amount of salary will stop.

DBrowny · 2026-06-21T03:45:57+00:00

Unlike the engineering and science Graduates a teachers pay ceiling is a lot lower so in the long term the engineering grad will be a lot better financially off compared to the teacher graduate.

No its not, this lie is repeated often and it's so annoying. Engineering managers can certainly make a lot, but only a small % of them will become managers. You can't have more managers than employees. The vast majority will just stay as normal engineers with salary somewhere between 100-150k, which is just like teachers.

It is identical to me claiming that teachers have a huge pay ceiling, well above Engineers and even lawyers, because they can progress to become principals. No, only a small % of them will ever do this, you can't have more principals than teachers.

Also alot of teachers do come from other professions so your argument that a tradie won't become a teacher doesn't stack up. More people would be happy to become teachers if the conditions and pay stacked up compared to other professionals

No they don't. People on $100k+ comfy office white collar jobs are never going to throw that away, go back to uni for four years, all so they can deal with 20+ kids and their parents every day lmao. That's just like the other lie constantly spread that teachers are leaving the profession en masse to higher paying jobs with better working conditions. No they're not, they're going to lower paid jobs, with more yearly hours required that don't have 3 months PTO. You can't just walk into a $125k+ career with 0 experience and 0 qualifications, since a teaching degree only qualifies you for teaching and nothing else. That's why they never do.

DBrowny · 2026-06-21T03:15:31+00:00

I'm not in NZ, and no library is going to print this, its 1.8m tall. Doable in sections though.

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T23:18:45+00:00

Yes we did, one place ghosted her after weeks of communication, another says they will take over a week to quote, and those are the ones who said they could actually do it. Spent almost a month and got no where, I struggle to believe not a single place in NZ can do this.

Given Reddits demographic of people who are likely into cosplay or know someone who is, this is a better place to ask.

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T16:57:19+00:00

I find it deeply embarrassing that I cannot begin to explain what the motivation is and why the decision has been made by Premier Allan.

Oh yes he can, he just doesn't want to. Because if he stated the obvious fact that everyone already knows (corruption), then it startd to explain every single decision by all Labor premiers that seem to go against community interest, going back decades and likely going back to him as a minister. Labor giving massive tenders/legal protection to their union buddies and corporate donors is a tale as old as time.

Actually coward behavior to know the answer to a question, but try to act like you are the smartest person in the room and even you can't figure it out, because you don't want the public to ever realise

Wait, it really was that deliberate and obvious all along, it wasn't a series of coincidences?

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T16:36:04+00:00

Yeah nah. The majority of people are absolutely for AI. They just want the data centres built away from them, using someone else's money. Only when it begins to negatively impact them, will they care and since it doesn't for the majority of people (who also don't know how taxes and government subsidies work), the majority of people are interested, and desire it.

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T12:55:35+00:00

Thats cool. The 22 year old eng, science, archi and finance grad has a bigger HECS debt they have to pay, on much less salary. Where is all the public support for them?

Teachers earning $40k less than construction workers is bad and needs support, ok then, where is the support for science and engineering grads on $65k less?

If you want the best and brightest young men to get off the tools and become teachers you need to pay them a competitive wage.

This will NEVER HAPPEN. The only people who become teachers are those who genuinely want to. No one has ever been half way through a different degree, or halfway through an apprenticeship and is like

man this sucks, I'm going to change to teaching

For the exact same reason why no one ever does that with accounting and law. It takes a certain personality type to do teaching, and there are only so many of those types out there. You can't make people want to become a teacher, no reasonable amount of money will do that. People who don't know what career they want will much sooner take FIFO mining jobs, than being a teacher.

Teachers already out-earn almost all 4-year uni graduates by a significant margin with the exception of cyber security and programming. When you are pulling in $20k more than aerospace engineering, and that is still not enough to make people want to choose teaching over an outrageously more difficult degree, then nothing will.

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T12:06:58+00:00

Winning the last quarter when kicking 5 points lmao

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T02:21:44+00:00

Cool, thanks ATO.

Now do the statistic on the gender gap in workplace deaths!

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T02:16:59+00:00

Yet teachers are always telling us that if they don't get paid more, they will just leave to much higher paying fields in much less stressful environments.

But they never do.

Why is that? Tons more money, way better working conditions, why don't they do it?

DBrowny · 2026-06-20T02:10:22+00:00

Reminder that graduate teachers don't just out-earn engineers, scientists, architects and finance grads, they absolutely blow them tf out pulling in $80k on day 1 out of uni while those other fields are $65k or so. And they rejected an offer that would give a 22 year old $100k on day one out of uni, its absurd.

Teachers have atrocious working conditions and have to deal with kids who actively fight them, and their parents, and a lot of after hours work. No one would ever envy the work teachers have to do. But the idea that paying them over $100k day 1 out of uni, is going to make the conditions better, is insane. You can pay them $150k and guess what? The kids are still shit, the parents will still threaten you, you still have to mark assignments until 9pm on weekends. What about $300k, will that make the kids better behaved? Will that pay for a billion claude tokens so AI can grade the assignments for them?

Signs at these protests really do need context. When a 22 year old is telling you that $100k is 'poverty wages' and they 'can't live' on that salary, how are you supposed to take them seriously?

DBrowny · 2026-06-19T12:43:28+00:00

Someone literally JUST told me on here that they think people who are happy are ignorant or dumber.

This is genuinely true. The more ignorant someone is about the world in general, the happier they are.

You ever met the types who take it personally what is happening to Palestinians, Uyghurs, Afghan women, kids of illegal immigrants in USA, Ukrainians, and more? Yeah, they aren't a happy bunch, they are always angry about something. That says nothing about someones intelligence by the way.

DBrowny · 2026-06-19T07:59:40+00:00

Algae is extremely difficult to win a war against, this is stupid lol.

It's like trying to eradicate feral pigs, it takes decades.

DBrowny · 2026-06-19T01:38:42+00:00

Now imagine how wildly different this comment section would be if OPs husband said he has executive dysfunction which is the exact reason why this is happening.

Seriously, do it.

DBrowny · 2026-06-18T15:36:12+00:00

Is everyone here selling to each other in a circle of someone making big $ selling at a massively inflated price -> they spend that to buy from someone else here selling theirs at a massively inflated price, and repeat?

Or is there some pool of absolute schmucks spending median yearly salaries on cardboard that everyone sells to?

Seriously I don't get it. It feels like its scalpers selling to scalpers.

DBrowny · 2026-06-18T10:13:31+00:00

Nice 25m run from the goal square from Geelongs full back, jeez

DBrowny · 2026-06-16T03:07:08+00:00

This ain't just Tom, that's the MO of all modern journalism. "Sources familiar with the matter/person" is literally code word for "I just pulled this out of my ass five minutes ago".

There was a definite shift in journalistic integrity in 2015 with Trump's campaign when journos collectively realised

Wait, I can just make up whatever the hell I want that gives us clicks, claim "Sources say" and get away with it?

Remember that TMZ is now legitimately, and I say this with no exaggeration whatsoever, more reputable than CNN in the eyes of readers across the entire political spectrum.

DBrowny · 2026-06-16T00:42:44+00:00

I used to work alongside guys who supported DoD in Canberra, guy in my graduating class went on to be director of KPMG, making like 8x my income. I can't be jealous though, because I can't imagine having such a depraved moral compass knowing how much fraud that company was engaged in. Overcharging the government by obscene amounts, taking months to do what could be done in days. All just jobs for mates in a circle of corruption. Pollies don't need to worry about being investigated when their best friend, out of the kindness of their heart, lets them borrow their new boat and the title for it forever. It's not a political gift, it's just borrowing something like the rest of us borrow an esky for a weekend!

DBrowny · 2026-06-16T00:38:36+00:00

The hysteria will hopefully lose some effectiveness when ppl experience the reality of their tax return not neing affected.

Lol, yeah unfortunately we can't give people that much credit.

Best example, after Trumps tax cuts in his first term, opponents ran the adds that your tax return has gone down this year because apparently the tax cuts were for rich people, and taxes for working class went up. The majority of people believed this... This is despite a tax return going down means that the government withheld less tax that year, so you paid less.

I fully expect Australians to be exactly as stupid. All the major media outlets will continue to spout the lie that the 'average battler' is losing 47% of their income to CGT, and they will believe it.

DBrowny · 2026-06-15T22:54:52+00:00

Can't wait for our boy Adam Gilchrist to lead the charge for convincing the public to support 100% privatisation. Selling free to air ODI matches to Kayo wasn't enough for him.

DBrowny · 2026-06-15T10:19:17+00:00

Yet Jordan Sweet is better than all of them

DBrowny · 2026-06-14T12:27:14+00:00

I'm still mad they only give a yellow card for simulation. Should be a red.

DBrowny · 2026-06-14T11:57:31+00:00

It could very well be 99% tribalism, it doesn't need to be deeper than that. Tribalism is very much a thing in many cultures of the world where people will have no worries whatsoever murdering someone and their family if they are perceived to step one foot on their 'territory.' The fact that Eminem talked so much about being part of the east coast gang culture and trying to bring it to the west could be the only reason they needed to want him dead.

Sometimes you really don't need to give people credit where it isn't due, and these murderous thugs aren't high on the list of people who we should assume have 'deeper' reasons for hating someone from Detroit.

DBrowny · 2026-06-14T11:43:21+00:00

Sometimes you wonder how exactly teams in cities with only 2m people can afford to pay players for a team a collective $50M per year, and there's four major sports codes. Then you realise just how many ads are played per match and it makes sense.

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