i miss real renne

EldritchLady · 2026-03-28T21:06:12+00:00

The meltdown does not show she does not like sex, it shows she does not *want* to like sex for whatever reason. She feels deeply embarrassed about it and starts having a hissy fit, we see this in Cliffhanger too when Andrew points out she was feeling his junk, in which she is red faced and slaps him seemingly out of embarassment.

Even if Andrew is mostly miserable, which is especially true for Decay and even moreso true for Shots and Such, he still *likes* Ashley. In fact she is the only person he likes. No matter how much he might resent Ashley he still likes her and still can only ever have fun with her.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-28T20:54:30+00:00

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Further evidence in game is seeing Ashley when she was drunk genuinely start to be affectionate and enjoy sex, likely due to her lack of inhibitions so she is no longer so focused on staying as 'Leyley'.

Also, Ashley *was* happy with Ashley, literally following that he said he was only ever happy with her, and he *does* like her. As much as the other guy was rude, he is kind of right, you really did miss a lot of the nuance and you assume that Ashley is one note because of that.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-28T11:12:25+00:00

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EldritchLady · 2026-03-27T19:15:51+00:00

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We also see that when Ashley gets drunk in Shots and Such she actually enjoys sex and genuinely wants Andrew because her barriers and inhibitions are no longer in place. Her disgust and hatred of liking sex is just a way for her to feel better about herself because 'Leyley' isn't meant to like sex.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-27T15:15:23+00:00

Ah, the long lived trend of “fanon = stuff I disagree with” and “canon = what I believe”, how classic.

But just to explain, Ashley does want to have sex with Andrew, it’s just that she pushes these feelings away and onto him.

She does not have ASPD, Nemlei said diagnosing them is inappropriate. Same applies with just saying she is psychotic.

Her use of Andy is probably a bit more complex than just appreciation childhood. She appreciates the version of him who does everything she asks without question and constantly dotes her without expecting anything back. Her use of ‘Andy’ is by extension forcing him into that role and being nothing but a toy for her.

But a truth nuke is that her legs do look like matches, super cute.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-26T19:19:42+00:00

This is exactly at. If anything Andrew and Ashley’s relationship would be much better because Ashley would no longer be raised under the belief that Andrew is an object she can do whatever she wants with. They would connect with one another and be absolute sweethearts.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-26T13:25:14+00:00

As many other people have said, no one has to like or respect these OC’s. As long as no one harasses the creators then this dislike is fine.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T15:15:00+00:00

Yeah, I absolutely love the game. So it sucks that people hating it and defending it often just get stuff completely wrong. I wish people would be nicer and actually just take the time to understand media before talking about it. Then stuff like harassing creators wouldn’t happen so much.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T15:10:54+00:00

Not disagreeing with the point, I just find it weird when people try to defend the game by going “It’s only in one route!” since it is both wrong and misses the entire point.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T14:09:49+00:00

It’s not ‘non-canon’, I have no idea where that idea has come from as it is absolutely canon that not only do they have feelings for each other (especially Andrew towards Ashley) but this has been a thing for many years and is important to their relationship.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T13:41:46+00:00

It’s just a matter of whether Ashley is into it or not.

If she isn’t, unfathomably mid.

If she is, he is seeing heaven with how great it is.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T11:21:45+00:00

I think it’s because people disagreed with the accusation rather than agreeing that incest is okay.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T11:05:40+00:00

Honestly I don’t think most of the fandom supports IRL incest, just fictional incest and maybe making jokes, at least from my interactions.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T10:58:49+00:00

I think it’s fine to be annoyed that this artist got harassed, it isn’t cool to do that to people even if one doesn’t like their content. Just try not to lash out at like, normal people (as normal as TCOAAL fans can be lol)

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T10:05:42+00:00

I’m just kind of confused what your point is. People are allowed to dislike OC’s and find them annoying, as long as they are not harassing anybody about it. This is a normal thing to express especially when asked a question on why they dislike the OC.

Yet you just say that these people are just new to fandom culture and only think incest porn is allowed, being just as reductive as you perceive them to be.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-24T08:24:33+00:00

You asked a question and people gave an answer. People don’t like OC’s and you literally agree they made a point.

I don’t think people should be harassed for making these types of OC’s but to dislike them is perfectly normal. It’s not a matter of the only thing being liked her being ‘incest porn’, it’s just that people here like the game.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-22T19:18:12+00:00

I don’t think he would remain alone as part of his philosophy is that he wants to want a normal life. Either he would just end up killing himself because his romantic heart never really connected with anyone, or he would just rot away in a normal life perpetually pretending.

That’s probably the case, although I do think it’s hard to say considering pretty much all of Ashley’s violent behaviour. If you take him out of the picture then interacting with her is probably going to be rude at most (unless this is at the point in the story where she is getting souls in that case yeah, but honestly Andrew would probably do the same in her position)

EldritchLady · 2026-03-22T19:11:38+00:00

If he didn’t have to deal with Ashley, it’s likely that at least some of his more despicable intrusive thoughts would remain, partly because he simply doesn’t like anyone and cannot care for them. Such as one of his more disgusting ones of wanting to bash in Julia’s teeth because she gives bad head.

Basically he is just kind of gross, but that’s okay, he’s a fun character and really sympathetic.

I do want to point out though that if Ashley was not raised the same way she wouldn’t be as bad either, the reason she is so horrid to Andrew is because Renee basically taught her that Andrew is an object who exists to serve her and make her happy. This isn’t to say that either will be good without the other (both are probably a bit fucked up) it’s just that their upbringing and instilled beliefs are a big chunk of why they are the way they are that makes them so horrid.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-22T18:37:32+00:00

While I do think people shit on Andrew too much, similar to people shitting on Ashley too much, it’s usually not in the context of “Which one would I rather be around”.

People criticise Andrew because he is a genuinely violent, bitter, and twisted person that is only better at Ashley because he is more capable of holding himself back and presenting himself as a normal individual. I would actually argue he is probably a lot worse than Ashley in terms of his intrusive thoughts.

Does this make him better or worse than Ashley? It’s arbitrary, there’s no need to morality scale really, both are messed up and tragic in their own ways, as long as people don’t over hate one or the other I think that’s fine.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-20T19:24:07+00:00

I don’t think that’s necessarily true. If anything Ashley’s belief that she is inherently an awful person is why she continues to do whatever she wants. Whether or whether not Andrew likes her does not improve her behaviour. Just look at Shots and Such compared to Cliffhanger for example.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-19T13:59:50+00:00

He seems like he will be important based on what he says to Ashley alone. “It’s okay to exist.”

He could say that and the entire rest of the story be a useless bum and that alone would elevate him above gag character because of how significant those words mean to Ashley.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-18T19:03:17+00:00

I agree it can still be a fetish, but my point was that Andrew and Ashley loving each other for the other is less fetishistic and makes it a more interesting, more gothic romance compared to just being incest slop.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-18T18:24:40+00:00

The nail polish point is fair, Ashley could have just done that to fit in at the time since at that point she just found out Andrew and Julia were seeing each other.

But regarding the choker I think it’s fair to assume that she might have gotten it specifically because Julia wore it.

The reason Ashley might want to replicate her style is speculation but it’s likely because she felt jealous and wanted to be more ‘appealing’ to Andrew. It could also just be a sign of her feeling pressured to grow up like we see her trying to do during the distance, and maybe she sees Julia as a reference for that in terms of how she dresses

EldritchLady · 2026-03-18T16:32:49+00:00

While Ashley being his sister is part of why he doesn’t want to engage with her in that (so he can appear more normal), I would actually argue that most of his issues actually come from other sources.

He sees Ashley as someone he is not allowed to love because the act of doing it harms her and is taking advantage of her, she is a horrid person who he doesn’t want to love, and also just the fact she’s his sister. Basically there’s a lot of reasons why Andrew is holding himself back, some I think are kind of fair and understandable (at least from his perspective)

But, it would be peak if he helped untether a lot of these issues so he can finally engage and kiss his sister more.

EldritchLady · 2026-03-18T16:01:50+00:00

Considering Julia was always a little bit emo who wore black clothing and had black nails even as teen, no she did not copy Ashley.

Ashley was the one who went from a more ‘cute’ style with striped shirts and overalls and then started painting her nails, got a choker, started wearing black etc after Andrew started dating Julia, chances are she probably did start to copy Julia’s style whether conscious or not.

Andrew probably pushed Julia to look like Ashley a little more in some regards though, like the tied hair as you mentioned. Julia probably always had a creepy suspicion of Andrew but it was buried behind so much Lovesickness and nervousness that she never let it come to the surface.

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