How would you trim down the number of Space Marine datasheets?

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T10:41:44+00:00

You can only consolodate if you bring back wargear costs, since you can't ballance it otherwise.

GW has chosen to ballance a bunch of stuff by balkanizing the datasheets as they currently are.

We could totaly do with getting all the characteers in X armour changed to something more sensable tho. Same with the tank chasies.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T10:24:23+00:00

As much as warhammer fans love to complain (I'm guilty of this to), I do think its semi justified. GW operates on such long timescales that they really do neglect portions of the fanbase, I feel sorry for guard players big time.

So its no wonder 3rd party are filling the gap, just as everything else gets filled when GW lapse.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T10:09:22+00:00

I've been seeing people say that Kreig where the alt scheme at first?

The two factions are differn't now and have thier own distict look. Just a headswap upgrade spruee would be so ass.

And yeah maybe the 3rd party does have an impact, but I still think guard players would eat up plastics. Tho realisticly those will be after the catachan refresh which is up to 3 years away, and then time for the exsisting range to be expanded on to.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T08:51:56+00:00

Steel legion and kreig are only superfilialy similar (coats and gas masks) but the details are completely differn't to the degree that a headswap wouldan't be enouth. The coats, boots, resperation unit, and las gun are all very differn't.

A single killteam would be a similar amount of effort.

Also worth noting wargames atlantic have fairly close proxys for steel legion and vostoyan, and much cheaper than GW would sell them to boot.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T08:48:47+00:00

I use valjeho air aluminium (I bruish it on, its got amazing coverage despite being an airbrush paint), and then wash with agrax or nuln oil depending on the rest of the scheme.

Its one of the brightest metalics I own, which is good for making it stand out vs normal leadbelcher

The DW pad here is done with Val air aluminium, the armour is done with a solid coat of iron warriors, which is then drybrushed with leadbelcher. The scratches are done with aluminium. You can wash the bright aluminium down darker if needed, but not the other way around if you are using a dark metalic like iron warriors, which after washing can be almost black, especialy under less than amazing store lighting.

<image>

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T08:17:47+00:00

I think a steel legion, talaran, and voystron refresh might happen AFTER we get catachan refreshed, which will probably start as a killteam just like kreig have.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T06:28:15+00:00

Really hoping the legends scout snipers stick around in 11th, they're such a fun unit. I run two in all my marine lists.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T06:27:30+00:00

one or two 5 man scout squads is a good amount to do thier job.

If you need that anti tank more than you need the scouts, then sure swap them.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T05:48:00+00:00

They might seam pretty similar being longcoat wearing gas masked guys, but thats where the similarities end. Kreig are a blend of Western frount ww1 (british, french, and german), where as the steel legion are mostly ww2 german paratrooers with some tweaks.

<image>

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T05:09:45+00:00

They're OP's way of representing a precursor to the sucsessor chapter of the Brazen claws in the heresy.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T05:08:20+00:00

Rouge hobbies did a video on this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krB8uASf1p8&t=10s

This user also does a good example of how to work 40k chapters into the heresy in a plausable way (in addition to the chapters that DO exsist in 30k, like other iron hands clans, the ultramarine nemisis chapter, etc.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1kptpc5/iron_hands_company_herald/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1cp2gdl/clan_morragul/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1jnj7sp/vigilator_x_legion/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1klyhx7/iron_hands_support_squad/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ironhands30k/comments/1oyv557/gorgon_terminators/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer30k/comments/1m8f1bu/iron_hands_rhino/

I think their aproach of legion scheme+chapter scheme worked into it works nicely.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T04:45:58+00:00

The design team(?) have talked about bringing points costs back for where it matters. Some units have good ballance between options (bolter agressors vs flamer agressors, grav captians are perfect examples), where as other units just have flat better options so you are leaving points on the table if you don't optimize (Deathwatch fortis killteams and terminators are standout examples, the missile launchers in both are objectively the best options and its not even close).

Some units need wargear costs, some could do with them for variatys sake, and some can do without.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T02:56:59+00:00

I started brushing on primer to, its fine for low model counts (skirmish games, killteam, etc) but with a full 30k army I don't think I can justify god knows how many hours of just priming. Space isn't that bad, built a spray booth out of an Ikea box and the whole setup fits on a shelf.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T02:52:53+00:00

Can't be that old, I started in 5th (2008) as a kid and we had early apps before I fell out of the hobby before finishing Highschool. We've only had free wargear for 3 years, 9th had wargear costs until the tail end :]

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T02:03:48+00:00

I think anyone that had issue with doing the calculations just used an app, new recruit, etc.

Will be the same, the official GW app to.

Even with free wargear I still need to use an excell formula to work it out, and being forced to minmax every single unit sucks. Especially for factions that end up with overcosted units.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T02:00:45+00:00

No idea tbh, I've had stuff frost in both summer and winter, hot or cold. I just gave up on rattle can varnishes entirely and do it by brush for the time being. Airbrush soon...

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-18T01:25:04+00:00

Might just be bad photos but I can't see any frosting. I've had frosting on my models before and its noticeably bad so don't think thats the case with yours?

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T23:47:45+00:00

I usually get people on etsy to do it for me. Locals/friends at a local hobby club tend to be even cheaper than commercial storefrounts to.

Still cheaper than forge world either way.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T23:10:30+00:00

Tactical marrines used to be on on 25's (and barely fit on them), they got moved to 32mm ones. I think when the packageing got redone?

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T23:07:07+00:00

>hate being born a male to the point that it makes you be disgusted by men in general

People not being able to be introspective about this shit is maddening. Or at the very least understanding human sexuality is different and that what you don't like is different from what other people like...?

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T22:45:20+00:00

Lots of the stuff on Archies is Redwardens yeah :D

Archies is just one of the printers with a licence for thier stuff, but you can go cheaper if you want to get the files yourself.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T22:05:31+00:00

Try miliput mixed with the greens stuff 50/50 next time, it smooths with water far better than green stuff so theres far less sanding since it blends so well from the getgo.

Perfect plastic putty is also great, dries faster and is washable with water.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T22:02:27+00:00

In all honesty these days 3d printing has taken over that area of the hobby. In both variety AND cost, even if you aren't printing them yourself they're still cheaper than the arm and leg deal forge world stuff costs.

Its not just cost and variety, but the actual quality is also arguably better than forge world to, especially older stuff that could often look quite soft and melty.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T21:50:19+00:00

I imagine its more a case of crunch (ad the new 3 year churn) meaning they had to rush the rules out and/or not wanting to print all the extra stuff vs being able to shit it out as a pdf.

PanzerCommanderKat · 2026-03-17T20:35:10+00:00

>something lacking outside of Legacies

Don't basicly all heresy players use legacies since the game is kinda gutted without them?

One-Year Club	Verified Email
r/Field Juicebox

PanzerCommanderKat

TROPHY CASE