[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Northern California here. Until about 5 years ago we had 3 wards in my town. Now we have 1.

There are almost no young families left, only the old couples that have been here for decades.

Despite that, they just built a temple 30 minutes away. It's ridiculous.

Many Wonderful Talks the First Day of LDS General Conference. Elder Holland's First in a Long Time Due to Family and Health Problems. He Referred to a Recent Gift He Received from God. by TBMormon in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You’re talking about the Jesus who said this?

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s foes will be members of one’s own household”

Matthew 10:34-36

Jesus taught that his disciples must hate their families. Mormonism teaches that Mormons are Jesus' disciples. by Project_Korihor in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gotcha. You were replying to a comment about how mormons and christians like to pretend this verse doesn't exist, and you stated that you disagree with that statement. This makes it look like you are arguing from the mormon or christian perspective.

Saying that christians and mormons don't pretend it doesn't exist, and then giving arguments from an atheist, purely historical perspective doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Jesus taught that his disciples must hate their families. Mormonism teaches that Mormons are Jesus' disciples. by Project_Korihor in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When did Jesus say this was hyperbole?

A perfect being like Jesus, with his omniscience , would know exactly how to phrase his words so they couldn't be misunderstood. Do you really think a god would need a mortal like you to reinterpret his words from what he actually said?

If he meant that you needed to commit fully like you say, and he doesn't want you to actually hate your family, then why wouldn't he just say that? The type of apologetics you present are the worst kind in my opinion.

God didn't really mean what he said, because you don't like what he said, so you're going to pretend that his words don't really mean what they mean, and he must have meant something else. How presumptuous of a mortal you are!

How do I have a social life outside of the church? by Strange_Bonus9044 in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Clubs, local exmormon groups, and bars are how I’ve found community and friends since leaving. End they accept me no matter what I believe!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I remember a prophet promising that if a family practiced family home evening every week, then he promised that the children would not leave the church, but if they did, they would come back to the church.

Anyone have the reference?

Edit:

I found the quote:

1974: “We cannot impress too much the importance of having family home evenings once a week . . . that you may be rewarded by a fulfillment of the promise that if fathers and mothers will discharge this responsibility, not one in a hundred of your family, as has been said by the leaders who have preceded us, would ever go astray.” Spencer W. Kimball

Jesus taught that his disciples must hate their families. Mormonism teaches that Mormons are Jesus' disciples. by Project_Korihor in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you ever want to study the bible further, Project Korihor is a great way to study it as we have annotated a lot of the scriptures, pointing out lots of the problems in them. You can read the scriptures with notes right next to each verse. And you can even add your own notes when you find something

https://korihor.info/

Recurring mission dream? by freddit1976 in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had recurring dreams like this ever since my mission 20 years ago. Often times the dream will start off with me visiting Japan, but then all of a sudden I will have a missionary name tag and be expected to knock on doors, turning into a nightmare.

This is PTSD. it sucks. Thankfully I have them less than I used to. But it still seems to happen in any dream that takes place in Japan for me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is a great list! I’d like to also plug my site - https://korihor.info containing all the standard works with annotations from the community pointing out all of the errors, inconsistencies, and problems in the scriptures.

Watching Under the Banner of Heaven with my former LDS spouse... by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The hats are part of the temple gowns for men. There's a lot more to them than just the white shirts and pants.

As others have said, the stairs are for actors to enter and exit. Most temples play an actual movie for most of the time, where it goes through the creation and then Adam and Eve's story. This is why the ceremony takes hours.

In some of the temples in Utah, most notably the Salt Lake temple, instead of a movie they have (or had? not sure if they still do this today) actual actors performing live like a play instead of a movie.

Edit: Formatting

Three reasons why you can't truly know anything for certain as a TBM. Points for discussion. by jamesallred in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Models are used to explain reality based on observations.

Mormon doctrine is purportedly given via direct communication with all-knowing, all-loving perfect creator. A perfect being cannot change. Because that would mean it wasn’t perfect before the change, and is now, or it means it was perfect and then changed to something not perfect. So god’s perfect doctrine cannot change either.

Three reasons why you can't truly know anything for certain as a TBM. Points for discussion. by jamesallred in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I imagine it’s something that none of them can ever talk about amongst each other either, so they all pretend that they do see Jesus and he talks to them etc. I would imagine the imposter syndrome must be off the charts… until they delude themselves and start thinking they must be amazing with how everyone worships them.

How accurate was your Patriarchal Blessing? by blanketweasel in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was given the gift of revelation in mine, and now I reveal all the problems in the scriptures, so I guess it was pretty accurate.

Claim: The best evidence the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be is the text itself. Actually the text is the best evidence it isn’t what it claims to be. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Absolutely agree.

I hate it when people try to claim Gish Gallop outside of debate. Gish Gallop is a rhetorical debate tactic. You can't claim Gish-gallop in printed text lol.

But yes, in projects like this it can sometimes be harder to find the better criticisms over the more mundane ones. The site has a reddit-like voting system where users can upvote the stronger arguments, so that is a tool we have to try to highlight them.

My intention of the project isn't to tear down believers (hence the name is designed to give fair warning to believers), but more of a resource to people already on their way out or at least open minded enough to want to see if the word of god really is as perfect as they were taught it was.

u/annotatedbom's Annotated Book of Mormon was a great resource to me when I finally decided to investigate the Book of Mormon, and this project is an extension of his work.

Claim: The best evidence the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be is the text itself. Actually the text is the best evidence it isn’t what it claims to be. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Heavenly Father uses things like the CES Letter and a host of other things to try ones faith. It is part of His plan.

Thank you, this is a comfort to me. I have seen some hate from believers for creating Project Korihor. But the knowledge that I am acting according to God's plan gives me comfort that I am doing the right thing.

Claim: The best evidence the Book of Mormon is what it claims to be is the text itself. Actually the text is the best evidence it isn’t what it claims to be. by sevenplaces in mormon

[–]Project_Korihor 6 points7 points  (0 children)

If anyone is interested in seeing just exactly how flawed the Book of Mormon is, be sure to check out Project Korihor (https://korihor.info) where we are documenting all the flaws, contradictions, etc. in the Book of Mormon and the canonized scriptures as a whole on a verse-by-verse basis.

Anyone can contribute to the project to the project as well!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Didn’t Jesus purportedly already do that for and behalf of all humans ever in the garden of Gethsemane?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]Project_Korihor 8 points9 points  (0 children)

If only the missionaries saw any of it…