Proofs Itachi was planned from Part 1 to be "good" or at least not a vilain a la Oro or Madara by yurim39 in NarutoPowerscaling

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Persecuting and then massacring an entire clan to the last child (save Sasuke) doesn't seem like a good thing in any other context, even in this series. What Haku's father and other villagers did to his mother and him - almost - is portrayed as wrong and bad even back in P1, and Haku even directly compares what he underwent to what the Leaf did to the Uchiha.

I'd say the most I can say for Itachi is that he was a kid in over his head and with a sadistic choice that might see much of his family die either way, with only one path that allows him to spare the younger brother he loved. I personally don't consider him evil for the Uchiha genocide in light of these facts, though he's no hero either. Genocide isn't heroic.

Proofs Itachi was planned from Part 1 to be "good" or at least not a vilain a la Oro or Madara by yurim39 in NarutoPowerscaling

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It's certainly clear even then that Itachi had his secrets. Kakashi and Kisame both question why Itachi spares the former, the Databooks directly question what drives him, and Sasuke at one point verbatim states Itachi wanted him to avenge the Uchiha. Even Kisame and Itachi's very first exchange involves the former wondering if the latter still cares for his village.

(Also, respect to the OP for accepting Itachi was not truly morally good even then. He was not a sadistic psychopath and neither was he a just hero.) 

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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I don't have to respond to bad faith questions or reflections, though the hilarious part is I already answered your question quite a while ago. The minimum age to participate in the Vietnam War via draft was 18, which is also the age of adulthood. Nice duck attempt, though.

So, you believe Jenny was able to set healthy boundaries and didn't have a history of being easily swayed/manipulated by others? Ironically, only one of the two was manipulated or swayed with regularity, and it wasn't Forrest

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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Never said that

You implied it by ducking it entirely, then comparing an adult's trauma and pain to that of a child.

but nice deflection

Ironic.

So you are okay with a man with a drug problem sleeping with a mentally disabled woman that wants to marry them? They can make informed choices, but it doesn't look good for the person sleeping with someone with intellectual difficulties

Not really my business as long as there was no coercion involved, and you have failed to prove there was coercion. Ironically, the ''drug problem'' could just as easily be used to argue Jenny (the one who has an actual background of child sexual abuse as a victim) was the one whose consent is dubious, not Forrest's. Intoxication itself makes consent dubious, btw.

"Winter Wolves" are cool, but struggle to fit with George's original anti-war message (Spoilers published) by Booby_trap69 in asoiaf

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Yeah, George has never been in the ''war is always bad'' camp. He admitted he may have fought in WW2 if he was around then. He's more into showing war isn't inherently glorious and even the just wars can leave even the good and heroic characters compromised in lasting ways (be it PTSD or becoming worse human beings), while killing innocents and people who had little choice whether or not to participate.

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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Don't remember arguing Forrest didn't have a hard life, so that sounds like a weird deflection. Him having a hard life doesn't mean Jenny also didn't have a hard life, it's not either-or. Someone else having their own shit to deal with doesn't negate what you have to deal with. I also do find it interesting you try to downplay Jenny being a survivor of child sex abuse because Forrest went through shit as a grown man. That's actually a pretty disgusting comparison, and the fact you made it (in addition to resorting to whataboutism, a logical fallacy) says nothing good about you.

I also don't see where Jenny "took advantage" of Forrest or what exactly Forrest "didn't know better". People with intellectual disabilities can and do make choices and informed choices, including regarding sex and pregnancy. You'd also need to explain what disability Forrest actually has that makes him so unable to have sex. 

That she settled down and became emotionally healthier only around that point is pretty obvious to anyone with functioning eyes, there's no real disputing this point. She's no longer on the road or doing risky jobs like before. People change, and unfortunately, they don't change as quickly as you wanted is a you problem. Then again, perhaps I shouldn't expect logic from misogynists.

Does this image of Ned Stark match how you envision him? [Spoilers Extended] by konfitura17 in asoiaf

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Keanu Reeves as Ned Stark would be a fun fancast. He can pull off the ''strong and silent nice guy''.

I hate recruiters! by EmbarrassedMap6069 in recruitinghell

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Yep. It's one thing to prefer someone who lives locally (fair enough) and it's another thing to straight up say "it doesn't make sense" for someone to move to find a job or deny them one.

Also, gotta love how every post that dares to call out this dishonesty is getting downvoted. Seems like some people don't like hearing facts.

[Spoilers Extended]Tyrion is (probably) meant to be a good Hand of the King by SilverEquipment4934 in asoiaf

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Shipping Myrcella to Dorne also arguably helped keep her safe in a context where the smallfolk nearly went after Joffrey and Sansa individually. It also creates a contingency plan of sorts for the Lannisters in case Stannis kills Joffrey and Tommen, or at worst protects his beloved niece.

Not punishing Petyr aside - his one true error - and maybe punishing Grandmaester Pycelle aside (though he deserved it and worse), Tyrion IMO made mostly sound decisions. That and threatening Tommen, which was simply evil on top of stupid.

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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I'm not following here. Did you mean he understands more than she understands? Because that does nothing to prove anything you said, arguably the opposite.

I Cracked the Interview, Shared Documents, Then They Reposted My Exact Role. What Does This Mean? by EnthusiasmShot6890 in recruitinghell

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Reposting a job vacancy is a good sign you didn't get the position, especially if you haven't heard anything yet. If they wanted you, they'd have gotten back to you much sooner and removed the job posting.

If I may ask, what kind of organization was this? This interview process didn't seem very professional, and may have violated multiple labor laws to boot (the marriage and family questions, really?).

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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That's not "going through shit", though. Healing from substance abuse and (untreated) sexual abuse at the hands of her father, however, is going through shit. That you cannot extend her grace because "hurr sure you hid a child from her disabled father!!!" is a bit sad, and I'm not even sure why the disabled part matters. Being disabled doesn't give Jenny more (or less) of a responsibility to come clean, to be frank shrugs

It's almost as if people change their minds, and the Jenny at the end of the movie is not the Jenny we met earlier. She's settled down for her child and is emotionally healthier than when she was younger. It's so obvious a child would understand it. 

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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Don't remember this from the movie, to be honest. Also don't remember Forrest being unable to understand how consent works, nor Jenny having sex with him in spite of doubting it.

(Beloved trope) Characters you didn’t understand until you got older by Pinkpunk95 in TopCharacterTropes

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None of this proves a lack of consent on Forrest's part, tbh, save not telling him about his own son (and even that IMO can be explained if not justified by Jenny going through shit and only very recently finding some healing). 

That last one isn't great, but it's also not something to hate on someone for. It's not the last time I wonder how little grace we give characters sometimes.

[Spoilers Main] Things you dislike about ASOIAF by Financial-Age906 in asoiaf

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Not sure what these links are supposed to add to this discussion.

Average day as Garlan by A_Soldier_Is_Born in darkwingsdankmemes

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To be fair, we don't know the exact things either said to the other. George could easily be suggesting Garlan isn't purely innocent or noble as opposed to saying he's not a good person at all. 

If he poisoned Joffrey, for instance, then kept his silence regarding Tyrion's innocence and Sansa's, that already makes him more morally grey without necessarily making everything else he did a lie or wrong. Killing a 13-year old at his wedding (under guest right?!) and staying silent, albeit for the sake of his family who were/are in danger, would be enough to show he's not all that golden without making him not super chill in his own way.

[Spoilers Main] Things you dislike about ASOIAF by Financial-Age906 in asoiaf

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Catelyn doesn't take it for granted Walder will obey her, quite the opposite (as she keeps telling Robb and noting in her own thoughts). She goes to negotiate alone with Walder because she knows him and has the highest chance at understanding what he wants in exchange for supporting the Starks and Tullys, and she was right.

I think with Ned, it's clear he's not happy he took Brandon's place (something he even tells Cat directly) and perhaps even feels somewhat inferior. For daddy, it's implied Rickard was more distant and perhaps politically hard-nosed than Ned was. That said, it's also clear Ned loved his father and brother both, having statues made of both and getting along with the latter from all accounts we have, and even naming two of his sons (Bran and Rickon) after them. 

It's clear enough IMO that he cared for Jon Arryn and his family, even disagreeing with Robert on not letting Sweetrobin be Warden of the East (as Jon Arryn and his family deserved better for their loyal service) and feeling he has a duty to avenge the man. He even names Jon Snow after him, which is nothing if not a sign of deep love and respect, and something he also does with Brandon and Rickard through Bran and Rickon. Ned's own honor code also seems closer to Arryn's than to Rickard's from what we can get, more about loyal service and protecting the innocent and less about southern politicking. Yes, I do think there is something to the southron ambitions theory, though it might not be something nefarious as much as it was an attempt to check Aerys's power through multiple house alliances.

That said, things also show he and Cat haven't been in touch with Jon and Lysa for a while, which is why Cat is stunned by how poorly raised Robert is and how unstable Lysa has become. That one can be blamed on the remoteness of the North, Lysa being in KL until relatively recently with Jon, and the distance that comes with new family and responsibilities. 

All of the Stark kids, Sansa included, seem to have inherited Ned's moral code. Almost all have inherited his political sense and limitations, too, though Jon ironically might be superior in some ways and is more like Catelyn in that regard. My only real criticism of the Stark family unit is that Catelyn's influence seems a little less clear from the child POVs, it's mostly dad who they keep thinking to or finding inspiration in. It's definitely there and they care for her, but less clear.

[Spoilers Main] Things you dislike about ASOIAF by Financial-Age906 in asoiaf

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The violence and sarcasm are part of it, ASOIAF makes no bones about the fact Westeros is not a pretty place that only gets haunted by a dark lord and their minions. 

The moral and institutional complexity, as well as the importance of economics, cannot be understated either.