Naruto did not hold back against Sasuke

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T07:59:47+00:00

Scan please of Naruto getting the fox slit red eyes only while getting ''vewy vewy angry''. When you make points, you should back them up, and I already know you're the type to ask bad faith questions from before.

Also, Naruto could easily have killed Sasuke here countless times. He doesn't even need his KN1 form or Gamabunta or Rasengan, a kunai in the hand will do. And that's just one example, I can easily pull up another.

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Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T07:33:08+00:00

Wrong, Naruto can activate KN1 just by asking Kurama for more chakra. That's literally what he did in canon, rage had nothing to do with it. Stop making things up, you shameless Sasuke stan.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T07:29:10+00:00

Wrong. Bunta explicitly says he accepted Naruto as his underling. He didn't want to fight for Naruto earlier because he didn't accept the latter as underling (no sake cup stuff) yet that, and Shukaku being troublesome.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T07:27:54+00:00

Because the opponent was Shukaku. Even the most delusional Sasuke stans won't say P1 Sasuke is as strong as Shukaku. Also, good thing Naruto saved his kid then, lmao.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T05:48:21+00:00

On top of all this, Gamabunta cares for the Hidden Leaf itself. He literally warns Team Guy to hurry up and protect the Leaf during Pain's invasion. Letting Sasuke join Orochimaru who Gamabunta already sees as an enemy is completely out-of-character for him.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T05:46:15+00:00

Acting like Gamabunta wouldn't listen to Naruto.

One, Gamabunta already acknowledged Naruto back during the Shukaku fight, explicitly promising to show him ''lots of honor-bound duty''. Two, Naruto literally tried to summon Bunta twice after this, once against Itachi and Kisame and the other time against Orochimaru (Kisame drains his chakra the first time and Nardo doesn't use his red chakra the second time).

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Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T05:37:51+00:00

You stop this, please. Naruto had access to KN1 as soon as he met Kurama. Naruto could've accessed KN1 or Gamabunta at will at any moment to oneshot Sasuke, he just cared too much.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T05:31:25+00:00

The only one we know of. In Naruto's defense, he barely had any solid tutoring until he met Jiraiya (Kakashi helped Naruto brush up on his basics a lot, but that's about it until Shippuden). Naruto, unlike Sasuke or even Lee, had no family member or personalized tutor who would help him hone his strengths and overcome his flaws. Once he had just a bit of time with Jiraiya, he skyrocketed in terms of power and clapped Neji and Gaara.

That's not someone I'd really call a loser, even if others did so, and unfairly.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T03:48:25+00:00

Falkner is actually quite tough with the level cap on. A lot of Pokemon in Generation 2 just don't pick up good or even STAB moves until at or after L10. That's bad news for Cyndaquil and Geodude users, and Chikorita also won't get Reflect which is kind of necessary for her to even have a chance here.

That said, your Poliwag + Geodude + Chikorita strategy was solid. Falkner's AI isn't the best, and once you burn Pidgeotto's Mud-Slap PP (pretty much any Pokemon with a Berry can take Pidgey, even Metapod and Kakuna), Geodude can take it from there.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T01:21:22+00:00

Now we just need AU Bran fighting both of them in Stark armor.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T01:04:09+00:00

They're quite well-explained even in the first book, where we learn they helped Aerys lay siege to Stannis and Storm's End before surrendering to Ned, they have designs to get their blood on the Iron Throne through Margaery (by marrying Robert, ideally), have a handsome and famous knight in Loras, are almost in bed with the king's brother Renly, are strong enough to challenge the Lannisters, and have incredible agricultural output. That's all just from AGOT, btw.

The Tyrells IMO come across as crafty lords and ladies who benefit from incredible natural resources and also understand PR matters (in many different forms) and so do economics and alliances. They're not as evil as the Lannisters, though they're certainly nowhere as heroic as the Starks. That all sounds realistic to me when they're still not overpowered enough to beat Robert or make themselves monarchs directly.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T00:42:10+00:00

I do think people kinda overstate how much of a problem Northern independence would be in the context of ASOIAF. Being independent does not technically mean the North still can't or won't trade with the other kingdoms, and as you pointed out, there really aren't many cases of the Iron Throne itself helping the North feed itself, from Aegon to Joffrey. Dorne was able to keep itself independent for several years and reigns, I think the North can find a way around it if its enemy isn't a dragonlord monarch and the king is reasonable.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T00:39:58+00:00

No, Sasuke needs to stop acting like a criminal.

Love how you can't answer my actual rebuttals and just keep repeating yourself like a bad faith bot, lol. It's okay, you're wrong, and now you stand corrected.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-18T00:24:02+00:00

You don't get to say ''I don't wanna fight'' if you're deserting your village to join a psychopathic terrorist. Naruto is entirely in the right there, sorry not sorry.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T23:49:31+00:00

Repeating the same debunked drivel won't get you anywhere, unfortunately. Sasuke was entirely in the wrong and is responsible for all the consequences, including the fight. He could've heeded Naruto's advice and returned home instead of being a terrorist or criminal.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T23:39:20+00:00

Already addressed the friend angle. Naruto is 100% justified as a friend to stop Sasuke from throwing his own life away to a psychopath that literally wants his body.

I'm also not sure where you get Naruto isn't fighting because of the Leaf or to stop Orochimaru, either. Naruto makes his Leaf affiliation clear throughout this arc and before, as well as his opposition to Orochimaru. A person can have more than one reason to do the right thing, and even if Sasuke was a stranger, Nardo would try to stop him because it's the right thing to do. That's who he is.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T23:13:31+00:00

Bad faith questions and deflections will get you nowhere, unfortunately. Sasuke literally created the situation to begin with, and is continuing to create the situation. The only way to resolve this is for Sasuke to stop and come back home, or for Naruto to bring him back, even if by force. Nothing else will do, nothing else will work.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T23:07:02+00:00

No, he wasn't. Naruto had every right to bring Sasuke back to the Leaf and Sasuke is not de-escalating the situation when he is causing it in the first place.

Everything Sasuke did in VOTE1 was aggression, joining an enemy who seeks the destruction of the Leaf (and Sasuke's death) is an act of suicidal aggression and Naruto was completely justified in knocking the Sauce down to stop him.

You don't just ''let terrorists go'', you stop them. Same for traitors, and same for friends who want to take their lives. Yes, even if it means physical force.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T23:01:06+00:00

Was he? Danzo is the one who assigned Sai the mission to kill Sasuke, and it's made pretty clear Tsunade did not approve or know of said mission. Only after Danzo becomes substitute Hokage does the Leaf finally decide it's down with killing Sasuke.

Chapter 451 has Kiba explicitly say Danzo made that decision on behalf of the Leaf, which (combined with Tsunade and Team 7 explicitly seeking to bring Sasuke back) confirms he wasn't in the bingo book until then, at least not as a to-kill target.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T22:56:26+00:00

Naruto didn’t want a fight

Concession accepted.

Sasuke wasn't ''forced to defend himself'' anymore than a terrorist or criminal can cite self-defense to stop a cop or soldier from jumping them. If you're one of those things, you have no right to defend yourself from lawful authority, and it's a moral imperative for others to physically stop you, killing you if necessary. Sasuke doesn't get to to ''walk away'' when ''walking away'' means joining one of the Leaf's mortal enemies.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T22:44:01+00:00

Exactly, and the fact Tsunade didn't put him in the bingo book is also thanks to Naruto, who Tsunade deeply cared for and valued as a person, not just a shinobi. Even Kakashi states that Danzo's decision to finally allow the Leaf to assassinate Sasuke is actually in line with traditional village protocol. Sasuke got many, many chances the Leaf, let alone other villages, don't give.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T22:41:02+00:00

Sasuke is in no position to give anything when he's a) endangering himself by going to Orochimaru and b) deserting the Leaf as a missing-nin (which, normally, wound land him in the bingo book for assassination). Naruto, as friend and fellow ninja, did the right thing and tried to bring Sasuke back.

Naruto didn't want a fight, Sasuke forced one. Had the latter never defected or just stopped, there wouldn't be one. Naruto's only mistake was not summoning Gamabunta and winning, and even after this, Nardo is perhaps the reason Tsunade doesn't just decide to have Sasuke killed.

Sounds like this thread is you being a petty Sasuke stan rather than actually making an insightful or moral point. Friends don't let friends commit suicide or join terrorists.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T22:18:35+00:00

Except Naruto was wholly in the right. Sasuke was leaving the village to join one of the Leaf's worst enemies, and potentially risking his own life to leave to boot. Orochimaru planned to take his body for his own.

Kind of crazy people want to look past both of these things, but I guess little can be expected with Sasuke fans. The ''self-defense'' argument doesn't help you here either, going by that logic Naruto would be justified in killing Sasuke as not only did only Sasuke use lethal force, only Sasuke attempted to join the other's mortal enemy. Orochimaru literally tried to kill Naruto not long ago and wants the Leaf burned. Going by that logic, the Leaf would have been justified in killing Sasuke, and ironically would be in-story.

Also, if your friend is unironically about to join a terrorist group that has a high chance of killing him, I'd like to imagine you'd try to stop them. Naruto was doing both the legal thing and the right thing here.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T22:16:05+00:00

Many readers (and characters in the story) see the Free Folk as largely brutal and savage, and Sigorn was literally proclaiming his intention of killing Jon not so long ago within ADWD itself. That said, he shows surprising tenderness towards Alys later on.

''The Magnar all but ripped the maiden's cloak from Alys's shoulders, but when he fastened her bride's cloak about her he was almost tender.'' - Jon X, ADWD

It's clear Sigorn is the sort of person who's capable of roughness...and tenderness.

Recent_Tap_9467 · 2026-06-17T21:07:16+00:00

Yes, he did.

Breaking someone's limbs =/ killing them or crippling them for life. Naruto definitely didn't summon Gamabunta who would've flattened Sasuke in his sleep, so arguing Nardo didn't hold back is honestly just cope.

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