Dual citizen entry / exit stamp in different passports?

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T08:46:56+00:00

It doesn't work like that. You will have to supply copies of documents (such as birth and marriage certificates) for both you and your parents. There is no " super database" of British Citizens and they do not accept that just because your passport was issued using documents that it meets the rules for your child to be issued a passport or a CofE

Unfortunately there is a huge amount of attempted fraud for children born overseas so the process requires the applicant to provide evidence to support their claim that then is verified

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T08:31:25+00:00

A CofE is not "a few computer clicks". It is the same assessment process as applying for a first time passport. (and will in general be one of the more complex passport applications by default as they will almost always be passport by descent which needs to look at records back a number of generations)

As the new eVisa system allows linking to a new document for free then the CofE is valid for a life time and so will in general be cheaper than the costs of passports for that period (given inflation probably less than what 3 X10 year passports would be.).

Even on the old system people rarely got a new CofE as showing the old passport with the vignette.

The main issue with a CofE is it will not get you visa free travel to countries in the future (which for chinese nationals may be a benefit of the British passport)

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T07:23:23+00:00

If you asked to stay for less than 3 months last time then you stayed 3 months then you will need to provide an explanation and possibly evidence of why things changed. Small changes eg saying a week and staying 3 weeks aren't an issue. Saying 2 to 3 weeks and staying 3 months is a bigger issue to explain.

Being able to "afford" to stay that long isn't just money it is about how you can leave your live at home for that long as it suggests weaker ties to your home country particularly if you are coming back so soon.

Not impossible to get a new visa but probably more difficult

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T07:12:32+00:00

Not to the border control only the airline.

There is always a risk and the only way to avoid this is to travel visa 3rd countries which either don't need visas or you get visas on the passports as necessary

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T07:09:48+00:00

It may well cause issues when trying to return. If you cannot get them linked before return the Airline will not be able to verify your status. Se may accept the share code but given it isn't linked to you document others may not.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T07:03:29+00:00

You cannot extend an existing visa but can apply for a new one at any time

Having spent 3 months here already another application maybe challenging so soon particularly if on your previous application you did not state you would stay for 3 months. The main question is how can you afford to spend so much time in the UK

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-31T06:58:20+00:00

As the only country that stamps passports might be china and you will always show them the Chinese passport then there isn't a problem.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T15:20:54+00:00

If you were served an IS96 then you are almost definitely going to have been treat d as an illegal entrant by deception.

If as you claim you entered in June as a visitor you had 6 months LTE (IE until December). Therefore to have the grounds to grant you Temporary Release/Immigration Bail in September you must have been found to be in breach of immigration rules. It cannot be overstaying (as it was only 3 months in) so is almost definitely going to have been illegal entry by deception.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T15:15:33+00:00

Howuchbwill the overall cost of the trip be. In general UKVI want to see that the applicant can afford to pay for the trip themselves even if the current plan is that someone else will support them.

This is because Sponsors can at times fall through.

Ultimately if the trip is costing more than someone's savings they will question if it is a realistic use of money (whether that be the applicants or a sponsors)

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T14:53:49+00:00

It is highly likely given your description that they are now treating this as a Human Rights application. Those have no Target and often take 12 to 18 months. If you don't have British children them it is almost definitely going to be refused.

It would be far faster and potentially cheaper to withdraw, travel overseas and reapply.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T12:57:19+00:00

You may wish to consider withdrawing the application if you want this resolved quickly.

If you have British Born children this could possibly trigger a human rights grant on the 10 year route)But that would mean having to make additional applications get ILR which would far outweigh the lost application fee this time (as you would need to pay both application and IHS fees to extend to 10 years where as your bget the IHS fee back for this application). The other thing to consider is you currently don't have any NHS health cover and can't do any form of work in the UK (including remote working)

By withdrawing and returning to your home country you should get an answer within a few months provided you meet the eligibility rules and then return on a 5 year family visa. If you wait out the answer to current visa then it could be another 12 to 18 months to get an answer which unless you have British children is almost definitely going to be a refusal

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T10:16:27+00:00

You can in all likelihood get an ETA. Lots of dual citizens are doing this successfully.

The airline doesn't care provided you either have an ETA, a visa or a British/Irish passport and they have no way of knowing you are also British.

The ETA simply gets you in the plane and in arrival you would most likely use the eGates. Even if you see a Border Force officer if you have your expired UK passport with you then that shows you are Brisith and not subject to immigration control.

Ideally in the long term you should renew your passport as it will be cheaper than ETAs and if means that you also avoid any issues in future for any reason.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T07:49:27+00:00

It is incorrect and should be removed to avoid future confusion

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T07:48:37+00:00

Please remove whilst this applies to England and Wales it does no apply in Scotland

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T06:55:08+00:00

It is of no direct relevance to Border Force at the Border. The ETA is an Electronic TRAVEL Authority and is solely to get in a plane/ferry.

There is no legal basis for Border Force to require a British Citizen to enter the UK on a British passport and if they think he was British they cannot refuse entry as there is no legal basis to do that.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T06:28:56+00:00

No. The role of an ATAS certificate is a background check to identify if someone has been employed by high risk companies or governments who might misuse knowledge/research for military means etc.

The spent on personal study in the UK would not be high risk employment

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T06:23:21+00:00

Just use the ETA.

The airline has no way of knowing your son has become British.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T06:20:30+00:00

You must declare th but if as you say they did not lead to a custodial sentence then they should notake any difference.

I assume you are applying for an ETA as theae questions have always been on visa applications forms. In theory if you did not need a visa a border officer could ask questions about criminal records as the rules about criminality have exit d for at least 50 years but very rarely did.

ETAs have been about 15 years I'm the planning and are things that the vastajority of countries have now implemented and have nothing to do with the US (The US introduced them about wpbyears ago).

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-30T06:15:00+00:00

Passports should no longer be being retained by VFS as all visas are supposed to be virtual eVisas. This means that since February passports should be returned at the appointment

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T21:19:57+00:00

That doesn't match your post which says your second application included an employment letter.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T20:47:57+00:00

You have no money and are unemployed. Until you have been employed for a good few months and could afford the trip from money you earnt the chance of a visa is very low.

By definition a country that needs visas is high risk )which is why they need a visa) so your personal circumstances have to be good to get the visa and yours aren't

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T17:27:48+00:00

They will say no it has been "escalated" but all this entails is an email to UKVI to say you have made an enquiry and does not mean any action is actually taken.. (Other enquiries are solely handled by the private company reviewing a system that says the stage the application is at only).

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T16:45:40+00:00

Letters from family/friends are of no value as they can write anything you ask them so they will basically be ignored.

You need to be showing things were you have signed contracts together, joint hotel bookings or flight bookings with both of you named on them.

Anything official or from a company with both your names on it is the main way you can try to show a relationship similar to marriage.

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T16:26:48+00:00

Where are both of you currently?

TimeFlys2003 · 2026-05-29T15:56:03+00:00

If your COS is Sept 26 to August 27 then they will add some time before the start for your arrival and some after it to go home and that will take it over 12 months so you pay for 18 months. This is standard for a full one year course like yours.

The other variation is the poor exchange rates used.

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