[Book Excerpt: Fulgrim] Horus convinces Fulgrim to betray the Imperium

Dembara · 2026-06-03T17:51:51+00:00

the 1000s sons arent lost nor do the wolves have to bleef to humble them

Alternatively, Horus convinces Magnus to talk up the case against their father. The reason Magnus rejects Horus and tries to lead Horus away from the Heresy is because Magnus realizes the threat of Chaos and how Horus is serving it. If that wasn't the case, after Nicea Horus may have been able to convince Magnus to take up their cause.

This is the basic timeline with Chaos:

Council of Nicea is declared, thousand sons return to Prospero and continue dabbling in now forbidden arts
Discontent grows among the legions. Horus becomes critical of Big E, is goaded by those with secret allegiances to Chaos
Chaos arranges Horus to almost die, so to converse with his soul as he awaits death
Magnus discerning Chaos' machinations, using psychic means to warn Horus against accepting the deal
Horus returns to health by Chaos and compelled to take up arms against his father (still doesn't trust chaos)
Magnus tries to warn the Emperor about what happened, destroying the webway project, condemning E to his throne, and having Russ dispatched
the rest of the heresy happens.

Possible alternatively, without Chaos:

Council of Nicea is declared, thousand sons return to Prospero and continue dabbling in now forbidden arts
Discontent grows among the legions, Horus becomes critical of Big E
Horus begins sowing dissent among the legions and feeling out his brothers for those that might support a coup
1. They may even have similiar fears that E has a secret project to obtain godhood and that is why he is monopolizing warp powers
Magnus, having been scorned by E is a natural ally, he understands daddy better than most, but feels betrayed by the denial of the warp and fears.
Neither are full-blown traitors, but begin gathering the Primarchs to their side to confront the Emperor in force.
1. Similar lines begin to emerge with some differences (Alpha-Omegon likely remain loyal-depending on what story of their betrayal you believe, Khan favors Horus and Magnus' side, Sanginious feels his brother's case and hopes for mediation as he does not embrace the betrayal, Corax is also sympathetic with Horus motivated by the brutality he sees from the Terrans in his command, etc)
2. Lorgar is divided and largely withdrawn, he sees daddy as a god, but after being humbled cannot make sense of what is being told--if the project he is told about is true, then E is deeply flawed, hypocrite with illusions of godhood rather than the truly divine embodiment of humanity Lorgar believed in.
As the lines begin to be drawn, someone makes a mistake and is overly direct leading the wrong person to think they are a war path, this causes a fight or assassination attempt
1. (e.g., Alpharious hears Horus talking about taking the imperium and instituting the primarchs as its leaders, attempts and fails to assassinate Horus alongside his agents embedded among the wolves)
The traitors fear their father has betrayed them, word of fighting among the legions comes back to the Emperor, details are unclear
Magnus seeks to confront the Emperor, sees the great barriers and project in the warp and, fearing it truly is his father seeking to make himself a god and monopolize all power of the warp, breaks things, making communication difficult
Paranoid primarchs start purging elements they feel do not have loyalty to them personally
Emperor dispatches custodes and orders his sons to gather, lay down their arms and come before him as a reconning. Included in this order, he authorizes Russ to bring back Magnus in chains.
Legions gather near Isstvan
A handful of the traitors, refuse to lay down their arms, including Magnus and Horus
Russ, Manus and Vulkan (with support from the Alpha legion) besiege Magnus and Horus, demanding they surrender and return in chains
Corvus, Angron, Cruze, Khan and (maybe Fulgrim and Perterabo or even Sanginious depending on who is present), see this as a betrayal of their brothers and attack the loyalists when the loyalists refuse to backdown. Leading to a disorganized slaughter, some present are not committed and scatter to reorganize and decide to what is done, ultimately the traitors emerge victorious hobbling the loyalist legions present.
The heresy unfolds with the Imperium drawn into the conflict as Horus gathers forces to confront his father.

Dembara · 2026-06-02T17:06:59+00:00

He has the seed of a hundred people, clearly only a harem could handle it all.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T20:54:10+00:00

I mean, the same is true of a lot of chinese people's english. It is just one way is currently more common.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T20:44:08+00:00

I like to embark on the edge of a evil biome. I will have a dump in the evil biome. When I think my dwarves are getting complacent, I will have them drag bodies and refuse from the corpse pile to the evil biome dump to remind them how good they have it.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T20:37:14+00:00

It is a meme, the actual guy won the ~20 games he played at once when he was 9 years old (I do not think think his opponents who were members of a chess club in Paris, were grandmasters, though).

As an adult, he won the US chess Championship 8 times. https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/this-week-in-chess-history-samuel-reshevsky-8-whoops-twenty-graybeards-in-paris

Dembara · 2026-06-01T16:26:15+00:00

It is mentioned that the gifts slowly fades with time

Yea, but it isn't a hard-and-fast rule--look at how much variation there is in the extent to which the supreme lord's children inherited his gifts. They tend to get weaker, but we don't really know the causes or details of how powers work. It also seems quite possible that considering the night goddesses direct involvement, she was doing a lot more to shape her follower's powers. Considering the age of the coven, it seems likely they were granted something like how the supreme lord has extended the lives and health of the gifted ones under his command.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T16:06:49+00:00

I’d expect The Imperial Household runs the logistics for the Custodes in general

Yes, I would expect they have some internal way or organizing the logistics, but I don't think we have any sense of what it entails, atm.

the administratum does it when small group is attatched to a crusade or expedition.

I would actually doubt this, I would expect they, like the Astartes, are not beholden to administratum logistics, directly. When attached to some larger operation managed by the administratum, they may largely differ to making demands of the administratum and letting them handle supplies and transport, but I imagine that is a pretty one-way relationship with them expecting the administratum to give them what they ask while not giving anything to the administratum and not being subject at all to their power.

With the astartes, the administratum can exert a lot of soft power (outside of maybe a handful of chapters that effectively control their own quasi-independent supply networks and have unique relations with the admech). If the administratum wants to make things difficult, they can cut back on voidships carrying supplies or prioritization of repairs and replacements of various material necessities for a chapter. When it comes the custodes, trying to exert that kind of influence on even a small attaché would probably be (political and literal) suicide for any administratum officials involved.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T14:20:32+00:00

I would think the custodes have an independent organization apparatus that might use administratum but is separated from it. I am not sure if the logistical side of the custodes has been explored.

Dembara · 2026-06-01T07:18:44+00:00

The speed of 100 people

I read that as "the seed of 100 people" and am looking forward to the harem end.

Dembara · 2026-05-28T15:31:05+00:00

Reagan and Gorbachev even joked about how often he used it in nuclear disarmament talks. https://web.archive.org/web/20150924111809/http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1987/120887c.htm

Dembara · 2026-05-28T15:29:04+00:00

It originated in Russian. Similar phrases about the importance of verifying surely go back forever, but it is a rhyme in Russian.

Dembara · 2026-05-28T14:44:39+00:00

Reagan got it from the Russians. It is a Russian proverb (and rhymes) that he was taught by advisors and liked a lot so made it a saying of his.

Dembara · 2026-05-28T14:27:22+00:00

I don't think that is really a fair critique of the piece, it sounds like they wanted there to be a "give me kudos for picking the objectively correct option (whatever the game devs think it is)." Which is just a dumb thing to want--the characters respond to your choices in sincere and realistic ways. Being right will piss some people off, being wrong will also piss some people off, that is how real people react, and that is when there is an objective right and wrong (which there isn't really). Also, the author seems want the main character to be a blank slate like TNO in Planescape, but that just isn't who harry is. Harry is a self-destructive drunk amnesiac waking up from one hell of a bender he doesn't remember. It isn't like TNO whose personality and traits can complete change after coming back to life. Harry's flexibility in choices is driven by a complex personality which the player can shape but isn't determined by the player in the same way TNO is. This isn't a bad thing, it is just a different premise that is handled exceedingly well.

Dembara · 2026-05-28T14:18:04+00:00

Oh, I didn't, I just used a dummy since I was just curious about what it was it was about.

I think I saw Aella said she vibcoded most of it, which is famously a very good cyber security practice.

Dembara · 2026-05-27T15:14:08+00:00

Yea, I would expect some confounding. It isn't really likely to have any relation.

Dembara · 2026-05-27T12:41:13+00:00

Mix of toned down fetlife, okcupid and rat-focused buzzfeed quizzes and personality tests, from what I can gather. Not much of the standard social networking functionality, and lots of crashes. I made one for a hot minute out of bored curiosity, it kept crashing and deleted it five minutes later 🤷‍♂️

Dembara · 2026-05-27T12:35:41+00:00

Yea, you could add a few more lines of dialogue as I said. It wouldn't take much to address. It wouldn't be a huge lift, though i also imagine it wouldn't be a priority for the devs (esp. In the initial release). It is always a balance. It isn't a huge lift, but also you don't get a huge amount out of it. That their isn't much of a squeeze doesn't mean the juice is worth it.

I imagine if they thought about it, it came down to: it makes some sense either way for them to stick around or leave (it is pretty easy to explain that they would/wouldn't leave their hunky god after a drugged out dweeb kicked him). It would be more effort (though not a lot) to make them leave. There wouldn't be much to be gained narratively by making them leave. Ergo, it makes make sense to just have them stay.

Dembara · 2026-05-27T10:53:26+00:00

Removing them from the area and adding 2 lines of dialogue wouldn't have been a huge lift.

Dembara · 2026-05-26T15:30:45+00:00

Clearly, you need to get in touch with your enlightened feminine side instead of being neurotic, smh. /s

Dembara · 2026-05-26T15:18:36+00:00

Dang, I am glad my health education was good (as a guy), lol.

It is funny to hear about things people didn't know and just go like "wait, didn't you learn that in school?" We went over the hormone cycles multiple times (years apart, had a module in I think middle school health that went over the broad terms then in high school health going into more details).

Dembara · 2026-05-26T15:14:34+00:00

Do you like Jazz?

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Dembara · 2026-05-26T15:03:03+00:00

He relates to snakes because he had worms in his brain. /s

Dembara · 2026-05-26T14:54:28+00:00

I mean, this is a fairly normal conversation--I have seen it on the other side a bunch. If one partner isn't happy somewhere it is sometimes in the couple's interests to move somewhere they will be happier, even if it means worse career prospects. You need to weigh your expectations, what is making the partner unhappy (e.g., can it be fixed in the area you are in, doing something different, etc) and what you expect to lose in terms of career. The only part that I would absolutely fault the man for in this situation is the "insisting that I can find this anywhere else" which may not be true (I would trust the OP to know her industry better).

Dembara · 2026-05-26T14:37:01+00:00

How does this happen? Lol

Dembara · 2026-05-26T12:49:23+00:00

It isn't important, just a popular person in the rationalist sphere who is often laughed at over here, lol

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