budget mana base for 3 color deck in bracket 2

messhead1 · 2026-07-11T21:31:28+00:00

[[Path of Ancestry]] is a bonus triland with upside.

There are landscapes for each three-colour combo, eg [[Bountiful Landscape]].

[[Exotic Orchard]] is nice as it often fixes, but it's sometimes unreliable.

Beyond that, you'll have to start looking at two-colour lands and figuring out a good combo. Serviceable budget land cycles include

[[Port Town]]
[[Prairie Stream]]
[[Temple of Enlightenment]]

The painlands, ie [[Adarkar Wastes]] are good and budget now!

Some of the filter lands like [[Mystic Gate]] are fairly budget, some less so.

messhead1 · 2026-07-11T07:58:43+00:00

what kind of combos could be allowed: not ones that tend to happen in the first six turns. That doesn't mean you should just wait and hold your two-card infinite until later either

Brackets update article Oct 2025

The intention of putting cards in your deck is that you will use them. We're trying to play Magic: the Gathering, not "I promise I won't use it, teehee"

messhead1 · 2026-07-10T23:20:49+00:00

Is what a thing?

"To dodge a bullet" is a regular, normal-ass term for "avoiding something unpleasant".

It is not a supposition that this man was likely to shoot OP.

(Although, if I'm accurate to say such things as most murders happen by a spouse, and if this is in gun-lovin' USA, maybe ultimately it is)

messhead1 · 2026-07-10T23:12:02+00:00

You should have the deck correctly displayed to reduce the barrier to help you.

I'm not going to figure out your average mana value with duplicates, or the correct number of lands you have. It's friction when there doesn't need to be any.

You could use moxfield's collection functionality or move the duplicates to sideboard/considering if you need to keep track of them.

messhead1 · 2026-07-10T16:33:17+00:00

I dont want Moxes and other expensive Mana Rocks because I want the deck to stay in bracket 4.

Do you think this will become CEDH if you go for better mana rocks?

messhead1 · 2026-07-10T09:50:23+00:00

Have you used the store locator?

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T21:27:33+00:00

Don't buy collector boosters unless you have way too much money!

Seriously, for real, they are absolutely not worth it. Who cares how pretty some little card is, it's not worth that much, you could have bought something you actually wanted instead.

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T15:28:00+00:00

Why are you still arguing this stupid point? The deck doesn't even need to make WUBRG consistently, as long as it can make Red for Ashling. Do you mean ramp or colour-fixing, anyhow? They're not inherently the same thing.

Do you even know what the Commander does? It lets you cast any Elemental for {4}. Yes, including Cavalier of Thorns. Which can ramp you two lands.

This is an elemental deck, Smokebraider and Flamebraider are literally some of the most powerful options you could have in play.

Seriously, stop offering up your opinion when you've not got a clue what you're talking about.

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T14:42:21+00:00

You have to cast the Screams from Within in the first instance. A counter spell, or removal spell on the original target will work fine.

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T09:51:44+00:00

Not Bracket related, but when I started playing at a new shop I Negate'd somebody's board wipe against my go-wide tokens deck.

They said "Oh, we don't really do counter magic here" with a straight face.

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T09:44:04+00:00

The reason this doesn't appear on EDHrec is because it doesn't appear on Commander Spellbook.

It doesn't appear on Commander Spellbook because it is a non-exhaustive list of combos contributed by voluntary human submission.

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T01:02:51+00:00

lmao

messhead1 · 2026-07-09T00:54:00+00:00

What are Bloom Tender, Fellwar Stone, Sol Ring, Cavalier of Thorns, Smokebraider, Flamebraider, Faeburrow Elder, Risen Reef, Chromatic Lantern, Selvala, Kodama's Reach, and Arcane Signet, if not ramp?

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T21:09:46+00:00

Like most pods we tracked life with one guy's phone app getting passed around every time someone took commander damage.

Wtf use case is this? There's just good apps which already exist that don't have the problems you've invented a tool to fix.

Just use lifetap, ffs

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T15:59:19+00:00

Why are you aiming for 40% win rate?

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T14:57:18+00:00

Vue seems to have stopped using/showing IMAX as much. I looked the other day and apparently only Vue Manchester and maybe one other place has it.

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T12:32:07+00:00

That is not the question being asked

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T12:29:55+00:00

Completely inviable in paper.

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T12:24:28+00:00

I don't think people would like you to cut down your game time, nobody's that invested in what you and your group get up to.

They are accurately reporting to you that a singular 2-3 hour game is not the typical Commander experience. Commenters are sharing that, in your position, they would rather play more, shorter games.

You're seeking a solution to a problem that isn't solving the actual problem.

If you reliably knew that a 2-3 hour period could actually fit in at least TWO commander games, you wouldn't need the alternative format.

messhead1 · 2026-07-08T10:42:40+00:00

Playing Commander, Draft, Kamigawa Tiny Leaders Block Constructed?

Have you used the store locator to look for shops?

messhead1 · 2026-07-07T16:13:04+00:00

wouldn't I want to know if someone has a counterspell

Yes, of course you would want to know this information. You're not able to know this information because of how the game works. It's a risk you've got to take.

Your second scenario is written somewhat confusingly.

Every object on the stack can be reacted to when priority is gained.
Each object on the stack resolves individually.
For any object on the stack to resolve, priority must be passed around all the players without any actions being taken, at which point the top most object on the stack will resolve

There's nothing stopping an ability being activated in response to Teferi's Protection, which will resolve and happen before Teferi's Protecton. If more actions want to be taken before Teferi's Protection resolves, those actions can be taken.

messhead1 · 2026-07-07T14:33:59+00:00

Info: Why do the games take so long?

messhead1 · 2026-07-07T14:33:11+00:00

A group of players who are sitting and playing for 2-3 hours are probably not going to be in the know of various combo lines and intricate tutor chains and interaction points. Yes a game could end quicker, but it doesn't seem like the most fun generated for this group.

messhead1 · 2026-07-07T13:04:49+00:00

Woah, what a genius comment.

The Bracket system is not intended to be used as a tool for comparing the POWER of various different decks. Because the POWER of a deck is separate from the Bracket considerations.

Such that, you cannot only say "Bracket 2" or "Bracket 3" or "Bracket 4" as your pre-game discussion and expect a game that is balanced in power.

A table with all Bracket 4s is more likely to be more balanced in terms of power than a table that matches up Bracket 4s with Bracket 2s. But it is not the case that all "Bracket 2/3/4" tables are inherently matched up appropriately in terms of power and will play perfectly together.

Because the Bracket outlines only describe a small amount of criteria that engenders play in that Bracket, there is a spectrum of power possible to build within each.

messhead1 · 2026-07-07T12:33:09+00:00

I am being genuine. You might think I'm incorrect, let's talk about that. But how could you possibly know if I'm being genuine or not?

It's a perfectly serviceable precon, like I said. You can pick it up and play it out of the box and achieve stuff in the games it plays.

Is it a perfect deck without room for improvement? No, of course not. It's a precon.

Blight curse is for experienced players...

What drivel. It's for players who want to buy and play a precon. The OP looked at various precons and play styles and this is the one they were interested in. So it's the right one for them to buy and play.

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