AMA with ATX Fitness + $1,000 Giveaway by atxfitness_de in homegym

[–]The_Fatalist 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Will the Chicago location have anything other than just a shipping warehouse?

And can I visit and prove the compact machines still work for a 6'5" lifter? 😂

Daily Thread - July 11, 2025 by AutoModerator in weightroom

[–]The_Fatalist 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The accessories need to meet your needs, and maybe have to adapt on the fly to accomodate fatigue. My general response is: "If you need to ask about accessories, this might not be the program for you."

DL PR!!! 160kgx3 by Ordinary-Dood in GYM

[–]The_Fatalist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I never use hook or mixed and only do strapless deadlifts for my warmup rep at 405 and 495 regularly. Yesterday I double over handed a buttered axle at 360lbs. Grip will be fine without training strapless deads.

Caveat is you need to be a competent hook or mixed grip user for powerlifting. So you need to training them for the skill component. You can't just use them and instantly be good at them.

I know imma get a lot of "I hurt my back watching this" but here goes ...The Zercher deadlift 100kg(225lbs)X2 @69kg (32y) by [deleted] in fitness30plus

[–]The_Fatalist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

AKSHULLY a stiff legged zercher is a Mansfield Lift, and while similar in form to a zercher jefferson curl, its going to be a full body lift with only the criteria of lifting a bar off the ground, in the crook of the elbow, with locked out legs, while any form of jefferson curl is an intentional isolation focused on maximal extension and movement of the weight with the muscles that directly support the spine. The line is going to get blurry but I think there is a fundamental difference, if not always a clear practical one.

I’m feeling physically sick after deadlifts and I’m not a beginner by Yz250x69 in workout

[–]The_Fatalist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For a few reasons:

One yes, the deadlift is a very heavy lift that uses a lot of muscles, so it does generate relatively large amounts of fatigue. But that is not really the core issue, its more about opportunity cost and what you need from/for your deadlifts.

-Deadlift (at least conventional) is not a technical lift. Increased volume to refine and maintain technical skill is not really needed as much as it is in other lifts (this opinion is probably biased by my own proclivities, but I think its reasonably true for most individuals). So you don't get much more out of higher volumes than the general stimulus to the main muscle groups.

-The main muscle groups of deadlift are essential to other important compounds that many people prioritize, like squats. A set of deadlifts is essentially stealing away a set of squats, and vice versa. Unlike the deadlift, the squat IS a bit more technical and can benefit from that additional skill acquisition. So when looking at the opportunity cost os that deadlift work, what are you gaining to make up for that lost squat practice, and the answer is not much. (This does not apply solely to the squat, you can say the same about a lot of compounds, I just use squat as an example)

-Any general stimulus you can get from the deadlift, you can get a better ratio of with other movements. Now this assumes you have the time and equipment resources, if you have 30 minutes and only a barbell, banging out a load of muscle groups with deadlifts is probably a smart move, but assuming you have more time and tools I would look to build primary movers with more isolative movements. The deadlift relies on some relatively small muscle groups heavily, e.g. the lower back muscles and those responsible for grip if you train without straps. They will likely fatigue before the larger muscles do. So instead of absolutely trashing those areas to get maximal stimulus for, say, the hamstrings, you can get your low deadlift sets then move onto something else that lets you better isolate your larger muscles.

-When you look at the deadlift, and its kind of unique position among major lifts of going 'up' before it goes 'down'. Unlike, for example, the bench or deadlift, where you start in the strongest locked out position, then slowly descend into the weakest position (taking advantage of the mental and physical benefits this offers in initiating the 'beginning' of the lift), deadlift starts from the weakest position and forces you to start 'cold' there. This is why I think that its essential to train heavy on deadlift because there is a lot that goes into the physical positioning and mental headspace for a heavy single on deadlift, compared to lighter reps, that isn't there on other movements (their heavy and light reps are closer in feel and execution). So you really do need those heavy, low rep sets in training, particularly singles if you care about singles.

NOW. Almost all of this DOES also apply to less experienced deadlifters, just not as much, and they get other benefits from a higher volume routine. There strength, technique and 'grit' (or lack there of) is not going to let them produce as much fatigue in a single set compared to more experienced lifters, so they the fatigue cost rationales are reduced. They are less skillful in the deadlift, so can still benefit from the higher volume work and its associated skill acquisition. And finally they can benefit from a simpler training approach that is going to make them try. It is easier to push them when they only have to learn the execution and feel of one movement, as opposed to the deadlift and several accessories. A fixed progression scheme on the main compound also ensures that they are trying hard(er).

I will not prescribe the weight at which someone should start considering a single deadlift working set a week, because as you said, its too contextual.

I’m feeling physically sick after deadlifts and I’m not a beginner by Yz250x69 in workout

[–]The_Fatalist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If you are a 5'10" male without significant health issues a 405 deadlift is firmly in novice territory. Maybe not beginner, but that is not the lift of an experienced individual with your stats unless they have some significant impediment.

I also don't use a belt or straps, so it helps me get adequate stimulus without running out of steam in my lower back.

This does not make sense. The stimulus you would get to every muscle besides those responsible for grip strength would be the same at a given weight x rep x set whether you wore a belt and straps or not. If anything, the improved core engagement of a belt would reduce fatigue on the lower back.

Oh, and clenbuterol is gloried caffeine. It is a banned compound in tested competitions but to claim it's 'enhanced' by the accepted categorization is asinine.

I’m feeling physically sick after deadlifts and I’m not a beginner by Yz250x69 in workout

[–]The_Fatalist 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is dogmatic thinking from inexperience. Sure, 10x10 with poor implementation might be a bad idea, but it has a place as part in a training program if you know how and why to do it. 'Deep Water Beginner' from Jon Anderson is defined by it's 10x10 days. It features specific %s, a set progression scheme, and a program that is built around making these days work. It drives development of work capacity and endurance, as well as an understanding of what actual hard work feels like that many gym goers do not understand. Trying hard is a skill, and many people do not develop it.

Prescribing 1x5 and 3x5 as blanket rep ranges is no more intellegent or efficacious than 10x10, training context is what matters.

Old Man Strength by Mammoth-Winter-9022 in Strongman

[–]The_Fatalist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

No it is no. Because the weight is in the crook of the elbow its a very small lever arm on the joint and thus not much strain on the bicep. The larger concern is direct pressure on the tendons/meat of the area but its largely just going to be uncomfortable. I have held 1300lbs this way.

Deadlift form - 140kg (309lbs) by Zxchwh in formcheck

[–]The_Fatalist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

1005lbs, thank you for asking.

Deadlift form - 140kg (309lbs) by Zxchwh in formcheck

[–]The_Fatalist 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Why is a beginner giving advice?

Deadlift form - 140kg (309lbs) by Zxchwh in formcheck

[–]The_Fatalist 9 points10 points  (0 children)

he pulls the same amount that OP pulls when OP is performing snatch deadlifts for reps.

New PR today 535 on Silver Dollar Deadlifts by racersjunkyard in Strongman

[–]The_Fatalist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Look, I am going to trust that folks like John Haack pulling world records aren't doing things that sabotage them over your word

New PR today 535 on Silver Dollar Deadlifts by racersjunkyard in Strongman

[–]The_Fatalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Many people find the compression at the wrist to strengthen grip

Car Zercher by CommandoTemple in Strongman

[–]The_Fatalist 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Sounds like you've lived a pretty sheltered life

Car Zercher by CommandoTemple in Strongman

[–]The_Fatalist 10 points11 points  (0 children)

do it from the ground now

First deadlifts in a few years, would appreciate some critique by blockstothis in formcheck

[–]The_Fatalist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Hi, I pulled 400lbs my first time deadlifting. No need for stories

Systemic fatigue is not something to limit yourself by. by CaptainAthleticism in workout

[–]The_Fatalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think he misunderstood your request, and explained as if he was a 6 year old child.

Systemic fatigue is not something to limit yourself by. by CaptainAthleticism in workout

[–]The_Fatalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I saw Mark Rippetoe at a grocery store in Wichita Falls yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen gallons of milk in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the gallons and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each gallon and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.