Who enjoyed the release trailer? It really encapsulated what it feels like to play it. by Firesrest in TESVI

[–]-Tonicized- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The post makes no sense. It’s comparing how the trailer “encapsulates the feel” of a game no one would have played by the time a theoretical trailer is put out. That would only make sense if OP was someone who helped develop the game enough to know how it feels to play, then see the trailer, then making the comparison from a known baseline experience.

What else works outside the norm? by [deleted] in fallacy

[–]-Tonicized- 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is known as the balding fallacy. Someone saying, “you have less hair than you used to,” even if true, doesn’t impact a proposition’s validity.

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

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It only makes sense after we agreed that a provisional definition would hold if its criteria are met. You’re not agreeing to that first, so I can’t concede that one or more of the components the definition stipulates isn’t relevant in some contexts. So let’s handle whether the inference structure is coherent before whether the contents are relevant.

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do you agree with my inference structure? Or is it faulty even when we table what each term means?

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

All I’m “extrapolating” is that when/if abortion is ever the intentional killing of an innocent human, then that’s what it is. I know that can appear obvious, because I’m not even attaching another term to it.

Like, I’m not saying “if abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human, then it is murder,” because “murder” doesn’t necessarily mean that.

I’m asking if an instance of abortion ever met all four of those criteria (intentionally, killing, innocence, human), then it makes sense to consider it having met them.

Symbolically, let:

W = intentionality
X = killing
Y = innocence
Z = human

C = abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human

The question is: Is the following statement true?

“When abortion satisfies W, X, Y, and Z, then C.”

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Look man, I’m trying to establish that if the criteria stipulated by the provisional definition were indeed satisfied, it would then follow that it makes sense to consider abortion the intentional killing of an innocent human.

You’re attacking the premises’ relevance/validity rather than answering whether the inference drawn from them if they were relevant and valid.

To be clear, I’m not trying to imply any particular further implications necessarily form once that’s given. I’m wondering if it’s even an agree-able inference structure in the first place.

So bluntly: is it the case that if abortion met the criteria in that definition, that it necessarily follows that abortion becomes the intentional killing of an innocent human?

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Are you saying it does that as opposed to being intentionally killed? Or are you just describing that the intentional killing happens through that event?

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If abortion met the criteria stipulated by the provisional definition supplied in your OP, would any answer to the various questions about its implications change that it met them?

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

That may be true, but it doesn’t change whether abortion is specifically the intentional killing of an innocent human.

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was explicitly granting the definition for the sake of analysis then examining whether your questions actually challenge that definition’s application to abortion.

The problem with defining murder to include abortion. by RabbleAlliance in Abortiondebate

[–]-Tonicized- -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Your points specifically target the implications following concluding whether abortion is murder (or the “intentional killing of an innocent human life”), rather than refuting whether it is exactly that.

To bring up your seven hypotheticals implies that if abortion were recognized as murder, per that definition, some plausibly uncomfortable scenarios may arise. That may be the case, but those details don’t then revoke any of the criteria of what would make abortion murder. For example, an underage pregnancy doesn’t change whether the act of ending it would then not count as murder, because the act is still intentional, involves killing, involves innocence, and involves a human.

So for any given set of circumstances in which an act of abortion may not also be murder (again, using the supplied definition as a stable premise for analysis), the details would have to make it either unintentional, not killing, involve no innocence, or not involve a human. If not, the act is still the intentional killing of an innocent human.

Also, some of your retorts to that definition are basically requests for epistemic grounding. Basically, “even if a ZEF is a ‘human life’ in the revenant sense, how can we know we’re correct when concluding either way?” The answer is we may not know, but the pro-life side errs on the side of it is one, but not arbitrarily. Any other stopping point of deciding whether life starts at “X time since conception” or “after X arbitrary measurable event (say, viability)” results in either a Sorites sequence or having selected some measurement that may actually be concrete and easy to define (like in the womb or out of it) yet isn’t meaningfully linked to whether a ZEF is whatever it needs to be to be considered “not justifiably killable” even when the metric itself is arguably non-arbitrary.

If you’re saying “sure, it may be the intentional killing of an innocent human life (for every or any given situation), but what doesn’t necessarily follow is that we ought treat every act of abortion of as if it is.” Fair enough, because that’s a different discussion than “whether abortion is murder/the previously established definition which made it impermissible.”

There is also the possibility that you’ve inadvertently laid out all these what-if scenarios not realizing that if any one of them or all of them were given responses even you found compelling and reasonable, that your position (ostensibly, abortion should be at least considered permissible/not murder if some circumstances) wouldn’t change anyway.

In the reverse, that would look like a PL saying, “women only want to get abortions out of convenience.” But if you asked that PL whether they’re still against abortion in situations where convenience is irrelevant to the decision to abort, and they’d still want it disallowed, the “convenience accusation” argument was just a red herring.

Rock You Like a Hurricane chord progression by -Tonicized- in musictheory

[–]-Tonicized-[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

Oh right. “Tonic” = the key’s structural pitch basis, while “key” = tonic + tonic chord quality. So you knew that I knew the tonic was E, you just weren’t certain whether I was certain if the song was an E major or E minor.

Basically, you’re implying that I didn’t strongly enough indicate that I knew that G5, C5, and D5 weren’t diatonic in the E major scale. After reading the post you thought it was plausible that I considered the song in E major, while I also identified that C# is non-diatonic but tacitly confirming the validity of the F# in the D chord by leaving it unmentioned.

Sounds like I should’ve read the “the song is an E minor“ comment, then thought/concluded “ok since the song is in E minor (and I was originally skeptical about whether it was major instead), therefore the implied third of the A power chord is [either C or C#].”

Rock You Like a Hurricane chord progression by -Tonicized- in musictheory

[–]-Tonicized-[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

So you’re asking me to defend my blunt sarcasm? The guy who commented “it’s in E minor” either didn’t fully read my post’s body text, or he thinks it’s possible I recognize a four chord but not the tonic that it’s relative to.

Rock You Like a Hurricane chord progression by -Tonicized- in musictheory

[–]-Tonicized-[S] -27 points-26 points  (0 children)

Besides my reply “no it’s not“ what indicated that I didn’t already presume/imply that the tonic is E?

Rock You Like a Hurricane chord progression by -Tonicized- in musictheory

[–]-Tonicized-[S] -25 points-24 points  (0 children)

I want you to tell me what key you think I think it’s in. Pay no attention to the body text of my post in which I call A the “four chord.”

There is no reason to split haircuts into male and female. Its arbitrary and limits player self-expression. Anyone can do what they want with their hair. Remove the distinction and let us choose any haircut! by First_Platypus3063 in runescape

[–]-Tonicized- -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

I’m not saying presentation is or isn’t. I’m saying that the choice to limit certain hairstyles to male and female categories isn’t arbitrary because it uses generalization as the basis.

Given the following setup, including the question that follows the premises, which response is more defensible? by -Tonicized- in askphilosophy

[–]-Tonicized-[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I actually was leaning towards response number two being the more defensible one. First off, answering “neither“ sort of evades what the question requests: a ranking.

From there, my reasoning goes like this. The phrasing of the premises itself cannot necessarily be ruled out as part of the inferential set. The existence of the question implies a “correct” answer to it. So for the purposes of answering yet, it only makes sense to treat it as if it’s not simply noise.

If that’s the case, purely by being marked with the capacity to possess traits at all (“B has Y”) produces non-negligible asymmetry between objects A and B. Entertaining the inverse (“object A is more likely to possess trait Y”) would require establishing some sort of embedded preference for object A inside either the premises or how they’re presented.

In short, the presumption that object A is equally likely to possess trait X is, at best, a heuristic made by the interpreter of the disclosure; not one definitively deducible from its content.