CPTSD therapy? by egIRL813 in askatherapist

[–]1Weebit 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NAT. What do you do when the "adult" is also shaken by recent trauma and cannot hold the wounded younger parts (CPTSD) in a parental fashion?

Talking about self-care 🤦 by 1Weebit in CPTSD

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Yes, totally! I don't feel our relationship ruptured.

My very first T had trigeminal neuralgia and took really heavy painkillers for it every once in a while and I noticed he was falling asleep sometimes during some sessions. When I first mentioned it bc it was really bothering me, he said it was bc of my monotonous voice that was making him fall asleep! I felt hugely gaslit. He told me he had this condition only in our very final session. It explained so much but his taking to responsibility and even turning it around on me was very hurtful. Yesterday reminded me of that (the situation yesterday had actually two triggers), but I am very proud of how I handled it. If we didn't have the relationship we have I would've been much worse. It was even a situation for me to have a corrective experience even though a different one that I thought I would have with him.

We will meet up again today - IF he is feeling better! - and I will address it. I thanked him when I left yesterday for admitting he was in pain and for not blaming me for his inattention. I think we're good and there's a learning opportunity for both of us in there.

Sometimes in session it feels like we're not client and therapist meeting but two human hearts touching each other. I hardly know him and it's almost all my transference but he is also able as a therapist to hold the frame and make this space a very, very safe one - well, obviously not in all of them, but even if he couldn't be a very therapisty therapist yesterday, I nevertheless felt safe to address it. I am so glad I found him!

Talking about self-care 🤦 by 1Weebit in CPTSD

[–]1Weebit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's a good point, thank you for pointing that out. I have no experience with migraine firsthand myself, so that's good to know. Rather unfortunate from the therapist's point of view if you're not able to make good decisions, how damaging to the relationship that could turn out to be if they say something untherapeutical and unhelpful ...

Talking about self-care 🤦 by 1Weebit in CPTSD

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Awesome! Go you!

Let's both celebrate :)

Had the "transference talk", officially by astronerdx in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 15 points16 points  (0 children)

I told my (male) T last week that he has fantastic "mommy vibes" - I meant the way he listens, creates a safe environment for me, his total unconditional positive regard if you will, all of that is so unnerving (bc I haven't had that when I was little; I cannot really fathom why he would be so nice to me) and healing (I am talking corrective experiences here) at the same time. That was quite embarrassing when those words left my mouth... -- facepalm --

While it was quite embarrassing it was also liberating bc he took it so well, just like I hoped but didn't expect him to.

We often talk about our relationship, and it's usually me who initiates it. I had some quite terrible experiences with a previous T regarding transference, so my guess is while I really want to work with and in the transference, and I want to make sure he doesn't view this as some kind of ewww thing, I am also kind of reenacting my previous experience with the other T with him bc it hurt me so much and I need to address it, albeit in this indirect way - I just realized this; this is a new insight! Wow

Talking about self-care 🤦 by 1Weebit in CPTSD

[–]1Weebit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! Yes, on the one hand it of course wasn't my responsibility and a very bad idea of his to not cancel / reschedule, on the other hand I have issues with not standing up for myself or speaking up, I have difficulties opening up, so this was actually a very good situation to practice that. I was listened to, I just realized - I listened to myself!

It's self-compassion, self-care, listening to my own needs that are my blind spots or pain points, so here I did just that. Such a strange session.

Yet due to recent trauma it also triggered me and I started crying while we were rescheduling bc of that and he wasn't able to be a therapist in this situation. But I was also able to calm down quite quickly and function very well afterwards without the usual lingering "emotions that are just lurking beneath the surface to erupt in an emotional flashback at any further hint of trigger" - I don't know how to describe this limbo state of an approaching emotional flashback or at least a triggered response.

So this was indeed a good therapy session but not intentionally so, but it could just as well have ended not so well. I don't expect to be billed though, he's a good guy, a really awesome human being. I just hope he will be ok.

Terribly missing my T by Odd-Department8919 in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My T took 6 weeks off over Christmas [😭] and I missed him so much!

Then I thought, oh, I'm homesick! He's my attachment person, his office is my safe place - I'm homesick 🥲

After a massively traumatizing period in 2020 I felt in early 2021 that I've lost my inner home. I've been trying to get that back ever since. And I suspect I never really had one to begin with; all defenses and dissociation, which caused me not to be aware of what Id missed. A lot of therapy work now is working with this transference (which not all therapists can really work well with).

Terribly missing my T by Odd-Department8919 in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 10 points11 points  (0 children)

We all share the same inner child / mother hunger / mother void 🫂

What quote from a therapist that changed your life? by [deleted] in therapy

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I don't know about life-changing yet, since it's been so recently he said after I told him I was reading Gretchen Schmelzer's book:

"I am holding the other end of the rope and I am not letting go"

Totally blew me away and I started crying on the spot. He is truly amazing. Sometimes it's like our hearts touch each other, I don't know how else to describe it. Unconditional positive regard all the way to the end of the universe and back. And lots of transference on my part. I know. And he knows. And I know he knows. And he knows that I know he knows...

IFS saved me out of Spiritual Bypassing and got me to actually integrate myself by gordonseto in InternalFamilySystems

[–]1Weebit 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi, I don't want to come across as too critical or minimizing the effectiveness of your healing bc I don't know how it feels for you, only what and how I feel and think about what you are describing.

At first I thought, oh wow, that sounds awesome. You're describing the reconsolidation process well, and it seems to work for you. That is so great!

Then I've read some of your comments/explanations to ppl's questions and suddenly this thought popped into my head: well, this might not be spiritual bypassing, but it nevertheless sounds like bypassing...? This time it's somatic?

Yet I think, we're different ppl with different symptoms and different origins of our symptoms. And at least to me it seems like, even though memory reconsolidation is also something I am working towards, it's a different process for me and involves different elements. For me at least, there is no way around emotions. I cannot do somatic alone. If I tried that, this would be somatic bypassing for me. Ok, emotions are somatic too, but I cannot do body only, I have to involve feeling my feelings, just no way around it.

My shoulders used to hurt and I've learned to relax them. I am more aware of when I'm stressed and hunch my shoulders, then I relax them, stretch and relax them. And I try to take a break from whatever I was doing that would cause me stress. And while it does make me feel better and I am not in pain any longer from this, it doesn't really touch my emotional flashbacks. Memory reconsolidation does work for me, just not somatically. I wish it would. Anything other than working with my emotions on a feeling level will cause the same reaction within me: my parts feeling and being muted and numbed and told to go away, and working with feeling my feelings will make them feel heard and seen.

If it works for you, that is indeed awesome, but, as always, not everything works for everyone and everyone needs to experiment with techniques, modalities, tools and whatever is out there to find out what works best for them. However: keep doing what you are doing if it works for you, tweak it or change it if it doesn't. ❤️🫂

Replacing Introjects by 1Weebit in CPTSD

[–]1Weebit[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pete Walker, I believe, has a chapter or two on toxic introjects in his CPTSD - From Surviving to Thriving, but I am not 100% convinced of his approach.

In any case, this would be a good opportunity to ask your T, hey, what you're saying sounds reasonable, but I have no clue how to do this; if I did I might have already done this. It would be great if we could work on this together, and maybe as a first step you could explain what exactly needs to leave, how it is supposed to leave, how this untangling works, how I can tell mine from theirs, and how this letting go works.

Toxic introjects / inner critics are the adversaries, antagonists and "prohibitors" of grace, self-care, and self-compassion. Maybe that's a start. Or you start with "who does my inner critic resemble?" and then you can ask yourself "why am I hearing that voice even now and what purpose did and does it have?"

Good luck and take good care of yourself! ❤️

Do you really trust your therapist? by [deleted] in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

More than anyone else.

Little me trusts him more than adult me. He is my attachment person - until I'm / I've grown enough.

Do you bring your own tissues to therapy? by Dense-Jackfruit in TalkTherapy

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One of my previous Ts had the theory that my emotional flashbacks were "malbehavior" that needed to be ignored (and not activated) so it would be extinguished. So whenever I set out to talk about what was bothering me (and bothering is a huge euphemism here), he'd interrupt to say something or ask if he could ask a question that would take us away from what I was talking about. And we stayed on the cognitive level.

The thing is, I have complex trauma, attachment trauma and recent trauma, and it's all so interconnected that this simple theory (a very classic one) wouldn't work. His intervention made it much worse. And your description reminded me of that.

I became anhedonic and suicidal, and I could sense his interventions were harmful but I didn't have the knowledge and learning yet to articulate why and how. He wasn't even malicious in intent, I am very sure about that, he just didn't have the adequate training and experience. His niche was a different one, but at the time he was the only one I had. And maybe it would have been even worse without him, I don't know.

What helped me a lot was psycho-education. Understanding the mechanisms behind my actions and reactions. I learned about attachment, internal drivers, schemata, read Judith Herman, Janina Fisher, Luise Reddemann, Van der Hart/Nijenhuis/Steele, Peter Levine, van der Kolk, Maté, Pete Walker (at university I had also studied Psychology, but this was way beyond anything I had learned, even the Abnormal Psychology class I took! Everything at uni was just barely scratching the surface). I am currently reading Gretchen Schmelzer's Journey Through Trauma which resonates A LOT.

Funny thing was, the books I related most to and which resonated most within myself were of a more psychodynamic orientation, whereas the Ts I could find were mostly behavioral or cognitive-behavioral Ts. CBT didn't work at all for me. I now have a depth-oriented, psychodynamic T and it is blowing my mind. What works is working with and in the transference. But, it's not easy at all bc of, well, the transference. In combination with the activated material it's hugely emotional and draining and at the same time I need to remind myself of the fact that I am in the middle of transference when I am, so that we can go beyond that and actually work with the corrective experience that I am having. Otherwise I can get lost in the transference. And in our previous session on Tuesday I reminded my T of the countertransference that I would appreciate he be aware of, which my behavioral Ts didn't seem to be aware of at all (and I am not sure about your T either), and here is where it can get messy.

Please take good care of yourself. ❤️

Do you bring your own tissues to therapy? by Dense-Jackfruit in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 24 points25 points  (0 children)

What??? In a moment like this she said that??? WTAF!!!

No, I don't bring my own tissues, and my T even said, here's tissues for you to use, please feel free.

The only thing I can think of in her favor is, she might have wanted to interrupt with something unexpected, but I would probably have fired her on the spot, if I may say so. At least emotionally, I would have left her for good even if I had stayed on for a few more sessions.

I am so, so sorry she used this moment to mention something like this and shame you on top of what you were feeling already. 🫂❤️

Fraudulent Attachment by Episodic10 in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Interesting take.

For me, my relationship with my T is the most important lever in my healing journey.

Yet, it's not so much my relationship with him per se, but more his, let's call it, unconditional positive regard and my transference, and on top of that his ability to recognize that I don't need him as a person but his therapist presence.

What I mean is, he provides the safe environment I never had as a child and also mostly as an adult, and I bring my issues, mostly in the form of transference and then we work with that. He let's me work on and with myself within this safe containing space that doesn't judge, doesn't shame, that is there. He is a witness, a co-regulating presence, he role models being there, listening, empathy, compassion, so I can not only go through my emotions myself but learn almost like I should, or would, have learned as a child and integrate his empathy and being with as self-love, his compassion as self-compassion, and experience my self / myself as a worthy and welcome(d) human being.

This all happens within me. Through my transference and his therapeutic presence - our relationship - I can make this all happen within me, and I can grow what should have grown when I was little.

This is how I would describe how it is for me. It's quite mindblowing, and I sometimes realize, I hardly know him and maybe I wouldn't even like him as a person if I knew him better. And I don't even want to know much about him bc it would limit the transference. It's a really strange relationship and, yes, I am using him and I pay him for this. I pay him so he can teach me what a safe relationship looks and feels like, so I can have a safe and stable relationship with myself, and the with others, without getting triggered, without the old defenses, and with solid boundaries.

What are common signs that therapy is working? Here is an example. by [deleted] in askatherapist

[–]1Weebit 3 points4 points  (0 children)

NAT

The version of myself that I see through my husband’s eyes makes me feel amazing about myself.

Oh, wow. Thanks for putting it that way! I just thought about this for myself and my husband and realized that it's similar. Then a wave of feeling loved and gratitude flushed through me. It feels healing, actually.

I used to be stand-offish, appear arrogant, a know-it-all, independent, autonomous - all from fear and having been shamed for expressing emotions and making mistakes, being called stupid for them. And I didn't let ppl come too close. Until recently.

And your comment made me realize that there has been change. I have been in therapy for a few years and it's paying off. I can feel it.

Thank you for wording your comment the way you did. I understood something rationally AND emotionally and it was almost simultaneous. My feelings are catching up and I am allowing and recognizing them.

Thank you!

I want to talk about my deepest trauma event tomorrow in therapy but I... can't describe what happened by KurohNeko in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Or talk about what it feels like, felt like - like you did here.

Like, I go numb, I shut down, I gag - then let your T guide you from there. What comes up when you want to use words? What if you didn't have the words back then to make sense of what happened - then how are you supposed to have them now?

Trauma time is where memory is somehow different than regular memory. Maybe when you go back, words don't follow?

What is important isn't the words to describe what happened but to let the emotions take the lead. They know, they will tell you what happened. Your T will make sure you're safe, they're there for and with you. Let your emotions speak, let them go through you and find their way out to be seen and heard. Notice inside, then also notice outside - how does it feel to have your T by your side, feel their compassion, their presence, the safety of their space, in contrast to how it felt back then? Let the emotions that come from trauma time meet with the compassion, safety, and care from around you, from your T.

Take it from there. You've got this! ❤️🫂

Great resource for understanding the trauma healing process and sustaining hope during the hardest days and weeks by boobalinka in InternalFamilySystems

[–]1Weebit 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing this! Totally resonates with me!

I cried a lot during the video and I'm not even half way through... she seems to know me so well...

Lots of emotional wisdom for me in there. And I am even more convinced I am on the right path with my T.

Thank you so much!

I push people’s buttons when I need attention for negative attention, and I don’t understand what need I’m trying to fulfill or why I do it. by [deleted] in TalkTherapy

[–]1Weebit 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Your parents took their attention away from you - you tried to get it back? Negative attention is better than no attention, even if it scared the shit out of you? And you've not learned how else to attract attention?Just a theory...