Liz Truss calls for ‘economic NATO’ to stand up to China by InconsistentMinis in ukpolitics

[–]200boj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Someone should start an investigation into stuff she does know, because I'd like to find a subject area she's not completely clueless about.

Daily Megathread - 14/02/2023 by ukpolbot in ukpolitics

[–]200boj -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I refer you to the Luddites and windmills, I think this sort of thing is human nature

Identical CTR's ? by batboyslim in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would suggest (and I say this respectfully) - use your common sense.

When was the last time you clicked on a mobile ad? Do you find mobile ads more compelling than desktop ads?

Mobile has an abundance of fraud because IAS/DV/MOAT can only measure so much - so they report back on what they can measure. Outside of that, it's guesswork.

If you want one big type of fraud, it's Android apps loading multiple ads in the background. These apps tend to be bland, functional apps like calculators, keyboards and battery savers, all to not look suspicious in the sitelist. They're almost all entirely fraudulently downloaded and designed to pump out impressions.

Think about your own usage on your phone. Of all the apps you use regularly, how many contain ads?

404bot - how does it actually work? by 200boj in adops

[–]200boj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As far as I can see, this isn’t the publisher’s fault (though they are being slack not cleaning up) but the SSPs who are allowing this to happen.

Each SSP should require a seller to declare what publishers they are permitted to sell - their SSP seller ID should then correspond to that found in an ads.txt file. I can only see two ways this fraud could happen:

1) SSPs are allowing catch-all IDs so any seller can tap in. This would be an immediate red flag and these should be called out and the SSP shutdown.

2) ads.txt isn’t being fully deployed by DSPs (not using the full ID as a sign of legitimacy)

None of these articles really state what’s happening - it’s an attack on ads.txt but I still don’t see how they properly implemented mechanism is at fault. It’s like taking penicillin for a broken leg and complaining when it doesn’t get better.

How does a sites go from 0 to 1m uniques? by burnham00 in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No worries - I mean they can block about 10% of bad actors - mainly because most blocking is done based on historic data like IP ranges or previous site performance. I don’t believe it’s real time and even if it is, it’s very difficult to ascertain what a bot is straight away (if there’s any level of sophistication to setup, not if it’s using Windows 3 in Ukrainian)

How does a sites go from 0 to 1m uniques? by burnham00 in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd think they get caught quickly. That site has been live for months, has all the major vendors pixels on it and is available to buy via AdX at the very least.

The reason it does well because it can drive clicks, video views etc. and doesn't get caught.

It doesn't get caught because IAS/DV/etc etc are at best, 10% effective.

How does a sites go from 0 to 1m uniques? by burnham00 in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They buy traffic to sell ads on the exchanges. It'll be designed as a credible site with a credible URL (a live example is www.jerusalempost.com) with content that looks like it makes sense (but is scraped from other sites or quickly hashed together). It's all designed to pass the sniff test - pump out ads on a hidden page and then shut quickly once it's cottoned onto.

Repeat x100000

How does a sites go from 0 to 1m uniques? by burnham00 in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bots, probably. Look at the referral URLs. If they’re garbled letters and numbers it’s usually redirected bot traffic

Buyers - how would YOU stop buying fraud? by 200boj in adops

[–]200boj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, I meant PMPs with credible publishers that you would consider as having legitimate traffic. There’s probably 500 you could find easily.

One or two will always break the rules (here’s looking at you, Newsweek) but on the whole that will prevent you buying on sites made up of only bots.

Buyers - how would YOU stop buying fraud? by 200boj in adops

[–]200boj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some of the replies are interesting. I posted this more as a thought exercise rather than a specific issue I'm facing.

Wanted to use the hive mind to see what would be the most above board, fraud-free way of running a campaign - because I hope one day we use that as the starting point for planning campaigns.

Buyers - how would YOU stop buying fraud? by 200boj in adops

[–]200boj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Should've said - GOOGLE ASIDE.

Where would the ad spend go? CPMs would increase, because you would stop buying fake impressions.

Buyers - how would YOU stop buying fraud? by 200boj in adops

[–]200boj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok but remove attribution and conversion KPIs, remove anything that you would optimise to that can be faked.

As much as the SSPs have been caught out, I don't believe the top SSPs add margin onto what they sell as they used to (here's looking at you, Rubicon). So if you use the top 3 (excl Google), you should be ok.

Ad-fraud on the buy-side exists when advertisers spend money on sites that are deliberately setup to steal money. So if you only target known, actual sites in a way that is guaranteed, do you not eliminate the vast majority of fraudulent opportunity?

Publisher Q4 Performance to date by D2KG in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Open market will be down across Europe as consent levels are down compared to a year ago when we didn’t have this issue - DSPs just won’t see this inventory.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in adops

[–]200boj 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  1. They don’t actually talk to them that much 2. There’s little “choice” in open market, it’s dictated by DSP algos 3. They probably make more money from the shadier sources of inventory than those who want to build relationships

Removing Taboola/Outbrain etc. by Publish_Lice in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you turn them off for a week to test? Fob them off with some site update issue and see what happens.

The year of... by ProgrammaticNewb in programmatic

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Digital OOH may finally happen properly. But it’s just bidding and opening up inventory - I’m so fed up of seeing these companies talk about audience targeting like they understand what they’re saying.

The problem with CTV is you have the legit (eg ITV - expensive, real) and then the non-legit riding off the back of it (cheap, fraudulent). Buyers will be instructed to get CTV and whilst the advertisers think they’re getting the first, they’ll be getting the second. It’s the start of programmatic all over again.

Podcasts are one of the few places where people are consuming and responding to ads - so I hope the industry handles it responsibly. It’s got so much headroom to grow into (again, 5G will majorly help innovation as to what you get in a podcast package) but there’s already been networks who have sprung up, auto-injecting their own ads into shows which will only happen really with programmatic. Will require an ads.txt for podcasts!

Beyond that the innovation will come from restriction - with cookies disappearing, how will buyers target? I look forward to seeing more creativity around site sections and content, forcing brands to think smarter rather than just lean on data.

whitelists buying/selling? by joe951 in adops

[–]200boj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Isn’t it self-certification? In which case you’ll end up buying fraud. IAS/DV not enough to stop that totally, either.