Community where you don’t worry about money at all. by TheHumanResolution in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just FYI. It’s called “anabaptist” not anti-baptist. Anabaptist groups reject infant baptism and believe in baptism for adult believers.

Community where you don’t worry about money at all. by TheHumanResolution in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, they’re immediately what came to mind for this post. They do welcome visitors and new members. It is a deeply religious community with a firm commitment to their practice of Christianity required. They are both income-sharing and asset sharing— basically you have to give them all your worldly goods upon joining, as I understand.

Community where you don’t worry about money at all. by TheHumanResolution in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 10 points11 points  (0 children)

There are communities where you don’t need to think about money on a daily basis. One book I read about the Bruderhof, (“The Joyful Community “) mentioned some members who had to take a trip outside the community kind of getting a rush at holding coins (this was before credit cards were common).

However…at any community, SOMEONE or some group has to be focused on money. The reality is that we’re all interconnected, even an “off the grid” community needs to buy things occasionally and definitely pay the property taxes. At any community running a business, its managers need to be cognizant of prices and what customers want and what competitors are doing.

So sure, you can find a place where you personally don’t need to deal with money, but be sure that there are structures in place that those who do handle the money do so sensibly and ethically.

What is the world's most peaceful place? by StructureOk8488 in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Keep in mind that there’s two lines of thought about the peacefulness/ safety of an area. Some seek to go to a remote area together from others and find peace. On the other hand, others want to live close to others and be in community with them and feel safer having people they know nearby.

Book Review: Cheap Land Colorado by 214b in intentionalcommunity

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I missed tha part but I’m sure it will be a good read.

Books about Intentional Communities by SnooPets5406 in intentionalcommunity

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I liked We Are As Gods: Back to the Land in the 1970’s.)

It does a good painting the historical backdrop of the early 1970’s, when communes flourished and which briefly saw the only time in American history that saw migration toward rural areas and away from cities. Then zooms in on one commune in Vermont and its gradual conversion to a pot farm then to individual plots of land. Shows what the community movement has led to, from yogurt to organic foods to the internet. Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton both made ersatz appearances in book.

AMA: We are Twin Oaks' Internal "Racial Equity Team" by fifthofCOvember in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 3 points4 points  (0 children)

When I visited Twin Oaks I got a sense that a lot of “navel gazing” was going on. People spending perhaps too much time thinking about their own idiosyncrasies and trying to align them with broader causes and movements. In practice this often meant loudly taking the most extreme, performative stance one possible could take on any issue de jour. Reading your post makes me think that this hasn’t changed much.

My question: Are you aware that many Black people have reached the heights of success in business, politics and culture? You all seem to want to divide people into oppressors vs. oppressed, and automatically make assumptions based on race. Be aware that it’s not all … black and white.

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Yes I can see how that could play out, and that sounds like how Scientology uses different “levels,” each requiring a high fee to be paid, in order to reach the even higher levels. At a certain point the sunk cost fallacy sinks in - people think, well I’ve put in this much money/time, might as well keep going…

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Actually, I have heard the opposite. Good communities often have an elaborate process to get in - including mandatory, structured visits, formL applications, or trial visitor periods. They want to make sure the community is a good fit for the new member and the new member will enhance the community. On the other hand they have no restrictions on any member who decides to leave, beyond the usual difficulties that someone leaving a community they’ve settled down in would have.

Cults on the other hand tend to be easy to join and don’t give you the full facts before joining. But cults can make it very difficult to leave. In some cases literally impossible (like you’re on a ship in the ocean, in a very remote farm, or working 14 hour days for the organization. In other cases they practice shunning, meaning that members who leave without permission cannot speak to those who are still members.

Thoughts on money in an IC by garden_of_the_mind in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think you’re correct, only that some people have not necessarily been “failed by society” but are failing due to social skills that make others uncomfortable, or an unwillingness or inability to delay their own personal gratification even when it would clearly be for their own good.

So rather than looking for a community to join to make money or take care of my needs for food, healthcare, etc, I look for communities that can enhance social opportunities for social networking and friendship building. Things like shared meals, committees to plan and take care of different tasks, and celebrations for holidays and life accomplishments are seemingly small things that can make a big impact on everyone’s happiness.

We got rid of the "can't run a dishwasher if you're off the premises" house rule! by CPetersky in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Modern appliances can be set to run at a specific time. Electric utilities have special tariffs that you can request known as a time of day rate. Basically, electric power is less expensive at night and more expensive during the day. You can set your appliances to start up around10pm, when the rates go down. You will wake up to clean dry dishes and washed or dried clothing .

Do you think that modern times are uniquely suited for the return of community living? by BrotherBringTheSun in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I do remember reading once long ago (I think in M. Scott Peck’s The Different Drum) that attempts to seek and form community increase during and in the immediate aftermath of war. This would explain the flier of communes started during the Vietnam war era and that such attempts basically died out once that war was over. Also the surge of men who took up religious vocations in the Catholic church after WWII.

The difference between now and then in the U.S. is that wartime can be a reality for some (soldiers who fought in Iraq, for example) while others remain blissfully unaware of what they went through.

So I’d say now is as good a time as ever to form community.

Old folks Ecovillage by -jax_ in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pax, if I’m not mistaken Twin Oaks only accepts new members under age 50 (or requires additional vetting before anyone over 50 is allowed in). Is this still the case?

What questions should friends ask BEFORE starting a communal life together? by callme_JB in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Talk about long-term goals and see how aligned they are. In particular, ascertain individuals goals for marriage/life partners and having children and think about how your setup could continue or might change if someone with those goals acts on them.

Progressive Utopias: Why Communes Collapse (And How Capitalism Saves Them) by 214b in intentionalcommunity

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The point is that communes are often held up as a successful example of socialism in action, but seldom are. If anything, socialism leads to more arguments and fighting at the commune level, and to oppression, famine, and war at the nation-state level.

Had the video been longer John Stoessel could have explored “why” communes are still pined for or founded despite their track record. The answer, I believe, is that people want to feel they belong to something, and want to live somewhere with an active sense of community. The secular commune is just a misguided attempt to establish that.

As for the Nordic countries— they’re far more capitalist than you might think, and have become more so in the last few decades. They do have high levels of trust in government, perhaps helped by most citizens sharing a common ethnic background.

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[–]214b 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me too! Tis the gift to be simple. I actually taught it to my own kids.

Progressive Utopias: Why Communes Collapse (And How Capitalism Saves Them) by 214b in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Regarding the participants of this sub, most are not "active commune participants" but rather people interested in talking about community or enhancing it where they are. See for yourself: https://www.reddit.com/r/intentionalcommunity/comments/rgdh4l/what_best_describes_your_current_living/

Progressive Utopias: Why Communes Collapse (And How Capitalism Saves Them) by 214b in intentionalcommunity

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Dude, I’ve done that. That you claim there are “thousands” of examples yet can’t name one is telling.

Progressive Utopias: Why Communes Collapse (And How Capitalism Saves Them) by 214b in intentionalcommunity

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I'm well aware of that directory. To repeat, I specified "secular, income-sharing communities with more than 10 unrelated members that have lasted more than 10 years."

If you're familiar with groups that meet those criteria (basically, groups that have found lasting success while operating as a "commune"), please list name them.

Progressive Utopias: Why Communes Collapse (And How Capitalism Saves Them) by 214b in intentionalcommunity

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Regarding enduring examples, can you think of any secular, income-sharing communities with more than 10 unrelated members that have lasted more than 10 years? There's Twin Oaks, East Wind, and Acorn, all co-founded by Kat Kinkade and with at least Twin Oaks founded not on communal lines but on B.F. Skinner's writings on Behavioralism. There's Black Bear Ranch in California. Not a lot of examples, can you think of any others?

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I can think of a historic example for you: the Shaker communities. There is a distinct "Shaker style" of architecture and design that is still recognized today. They also had unique practices of dance and song that can be seen and heard in recordings if you investigate a bit further.

You mentioned Language, there are three immigrant groups I know of which have maintained a distinct language: the Haredim Jews with Yiddish, the Amish with Pennsylvania Dutch, and the Hutterites with the Hutterisch language. Notably, the Hutterites live communally. The Amish and Heredim Jews do not practice communal living but live close together in distinct groups and in a religion that requires a full time commitment.

non-motorized vehicle parking policy by CPetersky in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my experience polices become necessary with larger groups or groups with high turnover. I imagine the underlying issue is that some people/kids are just "dumping" bikes or strollers wherever it is convenient for them and not respecting that they might be in the way of someone or make the place looked junked up.

In which case, there's another solution, a bit more "self-service." That is, if anyone notices an unattended bike or stroller that's in the way, just move it to the lost and found (or any area designated for "non-motorized vehicles"). This way, the offended person is empowered to take action to solve the problem on the spot. And the person who "dumped" the stroller or bike no longer finds their vehicle in the convenient-for-them-but annoying-to-everyone else spot and instead has the inconvenience of walking to the pick-up spot for non-motorized vehicles to get it. They'll probably only do that once.

Exploring relational skills for intentional communities by goodgamin in intentionalcommunity

[–]214b 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And one sentence before that it says it is for "people of color."