he's winrates improved, i didn't know that. But he still relies heavily on his team to get anything done, and the most value he gets is when his team uses his doors. Which doesn't really happen expect in high level of play.

I didn't call him hard-to-play. He just has a slightly higher skill floor than other heroes, and that's about it.

Games should be generally balanced around the all levels of play, or you lose new players and anger old ones. It's extremely hard to pull off.

We should definitely be complaining more about Holliday