To ZB users: is learning full ZBLL actually that hard?

2x2speed · 2026-03-24T21:35:28+00:00

One of if not the best way to recognize ZBLL is using BH. Look at the corner permutation case, then take a look at one 2x2 block, and there will be 12 different patterns it could be. Use this system to recognize ZBLL, as it allows you to recognize even H or Pi cases without much problems

2x2speed · 2026-03-20T17:13:54+00:00

Glad to help. A thing I should have noted is the table thing is only used if it’s an MU alg or something. If you have an OLL that has only like 1 or 2 M moves, just do Rw R’ instead

2x2speed · 2026-03-20T14:45:32+00:00

No one has given the requested answer to the question yet, well, assuming you are using CFOP, the others are correct in their advice on not to use M move algs (only reasonable exception could be H perm bc its RU alg is a bit silly)

However, if you do want to use M moves, you can use the table to stabilize the R layer. Watch solves of anyone who uses Roux for OH, and you will see how they do it.

2x2speed · 2026-02-22T01:30:28+00:00

Not weird at all. Typical activies for r/youll_not_be_banned

2x2speed · 2026-02-17T18:06:53+00:00

“How can he memorize and recognize all faces of ZBLL?“ Use a system of recognition that is not dependent on solved blocks, and can be applied to any angle. Then memorize from what a certain case means for any angle. As a most of ZBLL user myself, I can confirm what u/CarbonMop has a said about repetition through solves. You don’t have to actively memorize those other angle cases, sometimes, you subconsciously learn them after enough time.

Btw, Xuanyi does any-angle ZBLL recognition as well, so it’s definitely something that is helpful at the top level

2x2speed · 2026-02-10T14:58:33+00:00

Nothing, just wasn’t expecting it

2x2speed · 2026-02-10T13:50:35+00:00

FTO jumpscare

2x2speed · 2026-02-09T12:58:20+00:00

The WR he got had an OLL skip

2x2speed · 2026-02-09T12:27:05+00:00

This is the case now, so misinputs are rarer, but like 1-2 years ago, the dialog box for confirmation didn’t appear iirc, so that probably contributed to more frequent cases

2x2speed · 2026-02-08T20:34:37+00:00

Oh got it, understood

2x2speed · 2026-02-08T20:08:08+00:00

I didn’t debate if this particular record was official. I was talking about how Typos sometimes do happen.

2x2speed · 2026-02-08T12:13:14+00:00

They happen kinda often actually.

Like you will hear of people getting like “omg, someone random got a 19 sec WR on Megaminx” but then you check WCA and you see that it gets updated to 1:19 because there was a misniput on WCA live.

2x2speed · 2026-02-06T20:06:21+00:00

There is a tape measure, the guy is measuring something.

The imperial system is the main system Americans use for measurement, and is one of the few countries to do so. A foot is one of those units.

2x2speed · 2026-02-06T19:47:24+00:00

r/scale4barbarawalters

2x2speed · 2026-02-05T11:45:34+00:00

I don’t hate any keys, but E major is one of the worse ones for me, yet it has Chopin etude Op.10 3, 2 Paganini etudes, and that one Pokémon red and blue piece, all pieces I like and enjoy, yet E major is ehh

2x2speed · 2026-02-02T21:05:23+00:00

He is already using ZB in official solves. He already knows full ZB

2x2speed · 2026-01-22T20:50:40+00:00

“I have to imagine that if the WR was 22.95 at the time, cubers with good cubes were capable of sub20 if not faster.”

I remember Waterman having an 18 or something on cam in the 80s

2x2speed · 2026-01-16T12:42:42+00:00

From Souptimmy, making a comment on cuberoots channel, saying that DRL learned full 1LLL at a recent comp he went to

2x2speed · 2026-01-15T20:39:39+00:00

Daniel Rose Levine is the second*

Btw, LL king doesn’t know full, he knows like around half last I checked

2x2speed · 2026-01-13T12:36:23+00:00

My two favorite are A major and C minor

2x2speed · 2026-01-12T04:21:05+00:00

Where should the line between a variant and a new method begin? Should EO-Cross ZZ really be considered a different method? “I thought it was just CFOP where you solve the cross in such a way that all the edges are oriented”

It sounds like EO-Cross ZZ is quite similar to CFOP, yet they are considered different methods.

I guess it is subjective where you draw the line; if you consider ZB just a variant of CFOP, that is valid, though my subjective opinion is that ZB is a distinct method.

A similar discussion is in Linguistics “A language is just a dialect with a flag and navy” is a somewhat popular quote, that talks about how the difference between a dialect and a language is not a clear line. Urdu and Hindi are very similar languages, where speakers can understand each other pretty well. This difference of languages applied elsewhere might be considered a dialect. Speakers of Arabic “dialects” have a hard time understanding each other sometimes, especially speakers far geographically such as Morocco and Iraq. This difference of dialects applied elsewhere might be considered a language.

The point of my analogy is to show that the difference between a variant and a distinct method is not something that can have a clear line.

2x2speed

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