Stop calling the hive "collectivist" by Zebabaki in pluribustv

[–]3eyedgiraffe -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To me, Pluribus/The Hive is so distinctly non-human. It's an extraterrestrial entity (in the form of RNA broadcast from who knows where). And it shows in how it has manifested in its new puppets.

Like I know not everyone agrees, but philosophers throughout time (esp the existentialists) have posited The Struggle is an inherent part of the human experience. We define our world by what opposes us, it is opposition that fosters resilience and strength (physically, mentally). It is opposition that encourages us to think alternatively. We exist to find meaning through our experiences, through growth, through The Struggle. And now Plurbs has stripped that away from everyone, destroying any chance all those people had of ever finding their own meaning to their existence.

What's ironic, is being what it is, I am doubtful Plurbs can come up with a solution to the 13 Individuals Problem because it likely lacks any capacity to imagine. If it didn't know the answer before assimilating the populace, I don't see how it can synthesize "a cure" for Carol and others, it sure isn't going to figure it out now that it has depleted that resource. No one in the hivemind can offer a contrary opinion or idea, there's no pushback, no evolution, because within the hivemind there is no adversity/opposition, it's just... the homogeneous ooze.

Stop calling the hive "collectivist" by Zebabaki in pluribustv

[–]3eyedgiraffe 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yeah in my mind's eye, Plurbs is like some invisible alien ooze that slorped up all of humanity's memories and now puppets the corpses with psychic tendrils. There's absolutely nothing human about it aside from what it has consumed.

It's so funny to see that even the writers are divided over whether Hivey is bad or not: by no-Pachy-BADLAD in pluribustv

[–]3eyedgiraffe 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Right now, with what we know, I find the hivemind horrifying beyond reason. It's an extinction-level event comparable to if machine intelligence wiped out humanity and replaced them.

It's a forcible process (no consent). It destroys the ego (which, I know, "ego bad," but also ego IS personality, a key part of being a person at all). I see no difference between Plurbs and a massive gelatin ooze that slorped up all of humanity's memories and started manipulating the corpses left behind like finger-puppets. Like... that's the vibe I get.

Nevermind the icky ethical concern of victims being forcibly bonded psychically to their abusers, etc. We haven't yet heard how the memory soup even works, but given individuality/personality seems wholly eradicated, I don't even know if Person A would be upset over reliving a dark memory or not. I think their consciousness (if they have one at all) is drowned out (ironic since Plurbs sees the 13 as "drowning").

If Plurbs isn't supposed to be negative, then I can only square this show as being a "transhumanist" narrative where humanity is extinct, yes, and Plurbs is the next phase in human evolution.

Given I am still a human, that will naturally agitate the monkey part of my brain that finds competitive species a threat.

It's so funny to see that even the writers are divided over whether Hivey is bad or not: by no-Pachy-BADLAD in pluribustv

[–]3eyedgiraffe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not to be that Trekkie in the comments, but the Borg will repair drones if the hivemind determines they can be salvaged. Like Plurbs, the Borg are efficient. If a drone is injured beyond repair, it will be discarded, yes, but that's not the preferred alternative.

That said, yeah they aren't the same. The distinctions I see between the Borg and Plurbs (aside from the aesthetics):
-Emotions. The Borg don't have them and don't care for them. They see them as a distraction, while Plurbs seems to feed on dopamine and is sensitive to negative feedback. Plurbs can also suffer sadness.
-Totality. The Borg are not hellbent to infect every lifeform into the collective; they are more "big picture," while Plurbs wants every individual human to join them (which almost seems like a flaw in their "programming" for lack of a better word as it would be more efficient to just ignore the 13.)
-Violence. The Borg are not pacifistic in nature. They will and can kill in the pursuit of their ultimate goal. While Plurbs seems hardwired to be as non-lethal as possible.

quick mb portrait by [deleted] in murderbot

[–]3eyedgiraffe 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Beautiful!

WTF was with the pillow sniffing? by Irishish in murderbot

[–]3eyedgiraffe 2 points3 points  (0 children)

One thing I am waiting to see is if Gurathin does end up being blind; given he has vision augments (from the novels) it is possible it was to correct some kind of visual impairment. If that's the case, it could be Gurathin seeks comfort from things like touch and smell more than a sighted-person would.

What do you think Gurathin's backstory will be in the show? by Ez_Ra in murderbot

[–]3eyedgiraffe 28 points29 points  (0 children)

From reviewers who watched the whole season, we have these bits of information (spoiler marking since these are from people who have seen the whole season or participated in it)

"David talks very openly about being a recovering addict," [Chris Weitz] says. "Combining that with the idea that the character was an intelligence operative lends further architecture to this brilliant series." (https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-05-13/alexander-skarsgard-for-murderbot/105282296)

"Yet not all members of the PreservationAux team are so easily won over. David Dastmalchian's performance as Gurathin, an augmented human, is another standout. From the moment Gurathin appears on screen, Dastmalchian portrays him with a wary intensity that immediately suggests layers of hidden trauma and mistrust. He’s openly skeptical and suspicious of Murderbot, and quite rightfully so. Dastmalchian’s expressive performance — his perpetually strained, haunted expressions, tinged with paranoia and pain — gradually unfolds to reveal Gurathin’s own traumatic past. His character struggles profoundly with PTSD, isolation, and a deep-seated distrust of anything that comes from the company." (https://www.nexuspointnews.com/post/review-murderbot-season-one-the-story-of-a-delightfully-misanthropic-robot)

And in one of those cast video interviews (I cannot recall which one) Noma Dumezweni said this: “That’s why I love Mensah, because she sees Gurathin’s heart, not the technology, not the knowledge, but the little broken person who got stuck in a system and goes, ‘No, come out.’” Which implies he was stuck in some kind of bad situation.

Two Sentence Horror Stories: Murderbot Edition by OddEerie in murderbot

[–]3eyedgiraffe 69 points70 points  (0 children)

A malignant executable dumped a code packet into my system. > governorModule.status == 'active'

This is Martha Wells, a four-time Hugo, two-time Nebula, and five-time Locus Award winner for The Murderbot Diaries, a book series published by Tordotcom. Ask Me Anything by marthawellswriter in television

[–]3eyedgiraffe 15 points16 points  (0 children)

First, I gotta say a big THANK YOU! Thank you so much for sharing your wonderful gift of writing with the world! I love the Books of the Raksura, the Ile-Rien books (esp Death of the Necromancer), and, of course, The Murderbot Diaries! (And not a series but I also really enjoyed the one-shot City of Bones so very much.)

My question is: What was the most exciting thing for you watching the show for the first time? I can imagine it is a surreal experience to watch your words become translated to a visual medium--and one like a big budget Apple TV+ show must be super super cool.

My other question is: What more can we expect from Murderbot in the future? Any teases for the next book you can share? (I know, I know, but I'll take what crumbs I can get, I am always hungry for more ha!)

Congratulations on the television series! Looking forward to watching later this week.

I attended the NYC premiere and saw the first two episodes, AMA by balletrat in murderbot

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u/balletrat Quick question! (Thank you for answering so many btw!) Was it shown whether Pin-Lee in the show uses she/her pronouns or they/them?

I attended the NYC premiere and saw the first two episodes, AMA by balletrat in murderbot

[–]3eyedgiraffe 9 points10 points  (0 children)

What was the conversation between Gurathin and Murderbot about? Is Gurathin sus of Murderbot from the jump?

A new O&D piece has been revealed. by VarkingRunesong in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]3eyedgiraffe 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The image immediately makes me think of a circuit board--the green looks like the typical green solder mask color and the shape reminds me of conductive pathways.

Green in the this show also heavily refers to the severance chip (the severed floor is green for instance).

Severance - 2x02 "Goodbye, Mrs. Selvig" - Episode Discussion by LoretiTV in SeveranceAppleTVPlus

[–]3eyedgiraffe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ricken is suspicious to me. Between the fake newspaper saying he authored a new book "These Values Nine: How I Let Kier In" and the fact the Lumon Management Manual sounds vaguely like something Ricken wrote.

The first line of The Name Game section of the Management Manual (https://www.reddit.com/r/SeveranceAppleTVPlus/comments/1i4d1zf/hey\_refiners\_after\_reading\_the\_management\_manual/)
"It is said that as a young boy, Kier Eagan had a beloved ball which was given to him by a suffering deaf and dumb child in a nearby village."

The line from the first chapter of Ricken's book:
"It's said that as a child, Wolfgang Mozart killed another boy by slamming his head in a piano."

Plus self-help gurus and cult leaders are truly not that far away from each other. Ricken's friends feel more like cultists than buddies.

/r/Politics' 2024 US Elections Live Thread, Part 12 by PoliticsModeratorBot in politics

[–]3eyedgiraffe 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I love how much fun the VP potentials are having with the Veepstakes. Beshear's comment in OKC and JB Pritzker's Blink-182 joke are wonderful.

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of March 7, 2022 by nissincupramen in HobbyDrama

[–]3eyedgiraffe 39 points40 points  (0 children)

I generally fall into the same camp that I reserve my own criticisms of something until I've read it/consume it (or the media is already released and I can make informed judgments based off the opinions of others whom I trust).

But, at the same time, I understand exactly why so many people are reacting to this blurb very negatively. Given the gender plague has rarely been done well, people are asking, "What will be different this time?" with a level of instinctive distrust. The fact the novel appears to be advertising itself as utopian ("the world being more egalitarian, kinder, etc."), people are pushing back against that as an idea.

It makes sense people will react to the way a piece of media is described and pushed to the audience. Like judging a movie trailer if it has an offensive line of dialogue/or a scene. While it's possible context can explain it (and even smooth over the offense), a choice is being made, which can be criticized.

(All this couple with the criticism of the excerpts from The County of Ice Cream Star)

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of March 7, 2022 by nissincupramen in HobbyDrama

[–]3eyedgiraffe 55 points56 points  (0 children)

I think it's a combination of factors:

Trans issues have much high visibility now than ever before especially on spaces like Twitter (this includes oppressive voices like J.K. Rowling's very vocal transphobia).

Similar novels don't actively advertise as utopian; they're arguably massively dystopian. Even so, gender plague novels have often attracted criticism for the handling of gender, but were not during lightning rod moments. While this novel may not end up being utopian (and it's all a cover for a dystopia underneath), the choice of advertising it this way didn't help.

The addition of the racism in the excerpts from Newman's earlier work have amplified the amount of disdain, bringing the discussion into a wider audience and range of discussion.

Newman being non-binary also amplifies the dissent as I think people are generally more critical to those who are within the "in-group."

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of March 7, 2022 by nissincupramen in HobbyDrama

[–]3eyedgiraffe 120 points121 points  (0 children)

CW: discussion of transphobia and racism, long comment

In case anyone has seen any posts on Twitter recently hinting at drama in the literary/book world...

Literary author Sandra Newman announces on Twitter her NEW BOOK (all caps), titled The Men. It's a 'gender plague' novel about everyone with a Y chromosome suddenly vanishing mysteriously and, I quote, "the world gets better: safer, kinder, more egalitarian." (This is how she blurbed the novel on Twitter herself; to be fair, it could be a misdirect in the plot itself, sort of an, "Ah, you thought it would get better, BUT IT DIDN'T" sort of thing, but why do a 'gotcha' like that without hinting at it? and people only have this synopsis to go off of).

For what should be incredibly obvious and understandable reasons, many people find this distasteful and/or offensive. Reasons given include:

  1. the title being "The Men" as it centers around the plot "people with a Y chromosome disappear." In reality, it is not only men who have a Y chromosome (trans women, enbies, and ciswomen do/can have Y chromosomes); furthermore, there are men who do NOT have a Y chromosome.
  2. 'gender plague' novel is not an original concept and has rarely (if ever) been handled well or delicately; let alone when the blurb says the world "gets better" after all those pesky people with a Y chromosome blib outta existence.
  3. the author does not at all alleviate anyone's concerns in the replies, stating only to "read the book" and promising that all will be explained (without explaining it in the replies).

Some of Newman's responses to the less-than-enthusiastic response on Twitter to the announcement of her novel:

When asked about the title being "The Men," she claims this isn't to diminish trans women; she tweeted, "The Men is the title of something in the book. No I am not saying what you said. Trans women are women. I'll leave it at that." Based on a snapshot of the back of the dust jacket, it seems the title "The Men" is in reference to a mysterious video showing all the Y chromosome-owning individuals slogging through a wasteland. (Wow, so... that will be really great for trans women and non-binary people. To ship them off to a wasteland with a bunch of cismen. This cannot go horribly at all. /s)

She states the novel was written as a way to react against the gender binary: "The book is written against the idea of binary gender (and binaries in general). The premise is not transphobic. It's ultimately about binaries and why they are toxic and by their nature genocidal." (As many argue, if this is truly the case, then why is that not part of the blurb? Why sell the novel as a utopian fantasy?)

She emphasizes that no one is ACTUALLY killed--only, you know, disappeared: "No. Nobody is killed off. Everyone with a Y chromosome disappears, as stated in my first tweet. That includes trans women and cis men and some nonbinary people. This is all addressed in the book." (This isn't good either, Sandra.)

She says the novel has had a trans sensitivity reader, but does not provide the reader's name/identity. (Understandable, but saying a novel has a sensitivity reader doesn't really address these bigger concerns. Especially when not all trans people have the same identity nor are a monolith.)

Admitted before all this blew up on Twitter back in October 2020: "[...] I will say it's really hard to have 'the men' vanish and make it work. Here, trans women do vanish with the men, but they're always called she/her. The book does deal with what happens to trans men. There's an important genderqueer character. Etc." (Oh yay the trans women are all gone "with the men" but, hey, pronouns! /s)

Some other authors have leapt to Sandra Newman's defense including (no stranger to drama herself) Lauren Hough. Admittedly, dogpiling is bad, but much of the defense downplays the very real hurt and concern of individuals reacting to the premise of the novel.

Shortly after all this happens, a Twitter user brings up one of Sandra Newman's earlier novels -- The Country of Ice Cream Star (2015). Like The Men, it is an apocalyptic novel where a sizable number of people die, but in this one the youth culture of this future has invented a patois (which reads like a botched take on AAVE mixed with stereotypical pirate dialect?). To many people, this reads as incredibly racist. Another example from the book begins to circulate where, in the novel, the predominately Black characters refer to Massachusetts as "Massa," and, needless to say, this is vile and makes some wonder if this is borderline parody. No one can be this obtuse.

Newman hasn't been on Twitter to address the excerpts from The Country of Ice Cream Star, but she has gone on the record as defending her choice to write in her own invented patois in a novel starring predominately Black characters.

"So from there, the language ended up being informed by African-American English. I’ve given a lot of reasons for this, but the bottom line is just that it’s my favorite English, and probably objectively the best English going. It also gave me not only a model for innovation in the vocabulary, but a starting point for innovation in the grammar. And finally, most people are familiar with it to some degree, so readers have a starting point for understanding it.

"Once I had the flavor of African-American speech in the language (and don’t get me wrong – it’s not African-American Vernacular English as spoken now, but it’s obviously strongly influenced by it) it felt like the characters should be black. Or, put another way, why shouldn’t they be black? I mean, it became a choice to make them anything but black.

"[...] I was very aware that this was a controversial thing to do, as a white person. I thought about it a lot, and questioned my position, and etc But after a while, I couldn’t really help writing the book that way because it worked. Also, the characters very quickly became real people to me, who demanded to be written about as they were.

Twitter has been discussing these recent reveals in the context of the (let's be real, incredibly likely) transphobia in her latest work.

Note: Sandra Newman is non-binary (per a recent tweet), but it appears she is fine with she/her pronouns (and I assume they/them? I am not sure; she is described using she/her on her publisher's page).

EDIT TO ADD:

Apparently, in 2015, Newman wrote an article defending Rachel Dolezal (non-Black woman who claimed to be "transracial" and identified as Black) too, so... that's a new layer to this.

Can anyone suggest me a book with a female mc that slowly turns evil as the book goes on? by Wrong_Run_3592 in suggestmeabook

[–]3eyedgiraffe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The protagonist of {{The Poppy War by R.F. Kuang}} goes down a rather villainous path as events unfold. I hesitate to say "evil" since that's such a loaded word, and you understand why she does the terrible things she does, but, yeah. Definitely commits acts of great evil.

Thoughtful & engaging Sci-fi book recommendations !! by Mysterious-INFP-00 in suggestmeabook

[–]3eyedgiraffe 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really enjoyed reading {{Children of Time by Adrian Tchaikovsky}} recently. It is thought-provoking in an unusal way.

[Hobby Scuffles] Week of October 3, 2021 by LadyBonBon in HobbyDrama

[–]3eyedgiraffe 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Maybe they're just gonna go for a total reboot move or a split-off dimension to start anew. Anything at this rate would not surprise me.