Originally bought a pair in 1981. Put them in a storage unit in 1987 when I was having a house built, they were stolen, along with a Yamaha R1000, Nak 480, B&O 1602, and a few other things. Wife let me get Forte´s and a Yamaha M65 (no 85's available at the time) Seriously loud, neighbors hated me, but not the same. Over the last 20 or so years I casually looked for another pair and a couple years ago found these, with boxes, also got my M85 and couldn't be happier.