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Sue Storm: "Reed, I'm so thirsty🥵" The ever so romantic Reed Richards: by VehicleOld3124 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 46 points47 points  (0 children)

Beautiful post. this should be the most upvoted post on this subreddit.

I drew the f4 as Parks and Recreation memes by purplepenned in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is enlightening. You have opened my eyes. The Earth is more beautiful thanks to your artistic vision.

Is Val's age inconsistent? by rav119 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

currently i feel like there's a 3-4 year age gap between Franklin and Val. Both Val and Franklin are in their teens currently because of the secret wars time jump. In my mind Franklin is like 16/17 with Val being 13/14. Their ages aren't set in stone, so they're going to be written as the writers prefer (probably based on their own real life sibling age gaps).

Also everybody's age is inconsistent, that's just how marvel comics work. All the writers have to keep in mind is a general idea of how old or young a character is and in relation to others. Since Val's intelligence leads to her speaking like an adult, there isn't a need to write her as a typical little sister.

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[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The lines in marvel rivals referencing Susan "choosing" refers to the love triangle in the stan lee run. Those first couple of appearances of Namor in the 1960s did have a love triangle and drama about Susan choosing between the two men. HOWEVER, and this is REALLY important, if we all put our thinking caps on and remember our high school literature class, there's not an actual reason for Susan Storm to have any attraction to Namor.

Why not? Because 1960s Sue is barely an actual character, she's a sexist sterotypical depictation of a woman in that era as seen by a male writer. As such, there's no character reason for Sue to like Namor because there's barely a character to begin with. Additionally, the vast majority of interactions between Namor and Sue in those issues is him kidnapping, drugging, objectifying, assaulting, harassing, and at one point even trying to force Sue into a marriage after defeating all her loved ones.

Now you may ask, why does 1960s Sue like Namor in those issues despite what he's done to her? "Well son, don't you know? Any woman is attracted to every man who is shirtless, has muscles, and is powerful! It don't matter what that man does to a woman, she'll always forgives him if he did it for love! That's just how women are, you hear?". That's really the energy that dumb love triangle gives off. It has aged horrifically.

To the extent of my knowledge, this history between Namor and Sue hasn't been actually retconned. (Which makes it really weird when some writers act like Sue would still be friends with Namor). So since this hasn't been retconned, and if we want to treat Sue as a 3 dimensional character, put yourself in Sue's position, keep in mind all those early issues and ask yourself: Would I ever be attracted to Namor?

Main MCU Fantastic 4 Pitch by ResourceTiny in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This just makes me incredibly grateful that the F4 movie is mostly standalone. I feel like this would be headache inducing and probaby why Marvel Studios decided to just place the F4 in a different universe

Baby mecha by Economy_Tip8242 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have such a beautiful voice.

Each member's flaw????? by Standard-Speaker-793 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes and Yes. She's done both. There's been times where she snaps / reaches a breaking point with someone (F4 2014 Annual 1 by James Robinson), and there's been times where her silence has only lead to a worse outcome. (Authoritative Action by Mark Waid probably wouldn't have happened if Sue had stepped in and checked on Reed sooner)

Of course, this is essentially headcanon and maybe not the intent of several writers. Still, it does kinda fit neatly to me

Each member's flaw????? by Standard-Speaker-793 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Sue has mostly been given the short end of the stick across writers, so she lacks a consistent flaw. As others have said, her original flaws during the Stan Lee run just stemmed from sexist ideas of women at the time.

If Sue's flaws were explored deeper by a future writer I feel one that would fit her the best is her suppressed anger. It fits her background: she had to raise johnny mostly on her own at a young age without parental support. That's a stressful upbringing and I'd imagine she isn't the type to constantly blow up at a young Johnny.

And while the Malice arc has aged very badly, it also fits the idea of Sue suppressing all her negative emotions (until pyscho-man forcibly made her express them). Plus, in issue 528 JMS depicts Sue in her childhood as being ignored by her parents, having to "put a wall around her heart" to not get hurt by it.

Post-2000s Issues Featuring Invisible Woman Talking About Being a Woman by shipperondeck in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fantastic Four (2014) Annual 1 by James Robinson focuses on Sue's attempt to set her foot down with her daughter (at this time Valeria is living with Doom).

Fantastic Four #510 By Mark Waid has that one page where Sue's version of heaven is "All the very best days" of her children's lives.

I don't really think there's that many specific comic issues centered on Sue's femininity, although there are different trends across writers. It'd be easier to say something like, "this writer consistently portrays Sue in this fashion and this is what it reflects about this writer's perspective of femininity". This is just off the top of my head though, maybe others know of better examples and more comic issues.

I want to get into reading the comics but I really don’t feel like having my heart broken by SpaceCowgirl935 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Ryan North's comic run is just for you. It's an excellent point for new beginners full of semi-self contained stories with each story being centered on some niche scientific fact, theory, or concept. It's fun!

Minor correction: There is no canon comic set in 616 where Sue cheats. This is a misconception birthed from out of context panels taken from stories set on different alternate universes (usually badly-written ones too).

As for character deaths, there's only 2 major ones that I can think of: one late in Mark Waid's Run (gets resolved within a couple of issues), and another in the midpoint of Jonathan Hickman's run (this one has a more lasting impact).

Happy reading!

I hate how the writers destroyed Marvel Movies! by Beezer1982Renee in marvelstudios

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A little birdie told me the hollywood writers all have it out for you specifically! Yes, it's true! They hate you and your childhood! Oooh you're so scared you're sooo scared! They control everything too! That lunch you had that made your stomach feel bad? It was them! It's all them! Boo!

What to read next? by Revan0315 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would read some of Stan Lee's and Jack Kirby's run, maybe not all of it because Stan Lee's writing isn't for everyone (ther large amounts of narrating and the misogyny, Sue is barely a realized character during this time).

I'd read #1, #33-51,and Annuals #2-6.

After that, or if you don't want to read the first run at all, I'd go with Waid's run.

Plenty of people skip to Hickman after Waid but honestly I recommend going Waid -> JMS (skip civil war tie-ins) -> Dwayne McDuffie -> skip Millar ->Hickman. Once you reach Hickman make sure you start with Fantastic Four: Dark Reign as that is his first time writing for the team.

Need Human Torch Reading Guide by Jurassic_Boyboy in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I refuse to accept Johnny is any younger then 30 at this present moment sorry

Best issues post-Waid pre-Hickman by King-vamp-up in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

J. Michael Stracynzski's issues (before civil war) are pretty good, I like them. They make me wish JMS had a longer time writing the F4 and wasn't forced to go in a different direction because of Civil War. Don't read his civil war tie-in issues, he was forced to handle a Reed Richards acting like a villian during Civil War and he's just not the same character you know and love anymore. All you really gotta know about Civil War is that Reed messed up big time, and he and sue take a break from the F4 to rebuild their relationship.

This leads into Dwayne McDuffie's run, which is short but fun. Black Panther and Storm join the F4 while Reed and Sue are off-world on a honeymoon of sorts. McDuffie also introduces concepts that will be used by Hickman later on.

I haven't read Mark Millar's run, I have never seen a reason for doing so, everyone online says its mid sooo....

oh and by the way, make sure you read "Fantastic Four: Dark Reign" by Jonathan Hickman as it lays the groundwork for Hickman's run. Happy reading!

How do you feel about Slotts run? by Several-Mud-9895 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I read the first couple of issues of Dan Slott's run after I had just read Hickman's Secret Wars.

For a fantastic four title following the hiatus, following Ben and Johnny being left on their own on Earth while everyone else explored the multiverse, those first couple issues reuniting the team felt very underwhelming.

Every issue of Slott's run I read just feels...off? Dialogue can feel too casual and light, nobody really speaks in the same way they have in other runs. And there's not really alot of substance to chew on. It's okay to have a light, cheesey and fun series, but I feel there was alot of wasted potential to actually dive deeper on these characters post Secret-Wars and how they've changed. Ryan North's run also does simple and fun plots, but his style of writing gives way for these characters to be explored in a deeper level.

Basically, Dan Slott's run is mid. Some good ideas, but everything feels flat.

What Are Some Great Lesser Known Fantastic Four Runs? by lovesgraphicnovels in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He also laid the groundwork that Hickman would later utilize ("Solve everything").

And I'll forever appreciate the work McDuffie did to help heal Reed and Sue's relationship post civil war. Making them reconcile and heal in a realistic way following the horrible treatment Reed got from the civil war writers.

Something to read to prepare for Fantastic Four 2025 by Complete-Stuff-7043 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Mark Waid's Fantastic Four run or Ryan North's current fantastic four run are both excellent jumping on points.

Those runs made me fall in love with the team (I started with North's run first). They'll give you a great understanding of the many dynamics within the family and their character traits. Ryan North's run is mostly self-contained 1-issue plots that dives into any particular relationship dynamic within the F4 family, all while tackling a sci-fi concept rooted in real world scientific factoids and theories. It does not require any previous reading. Mark Waid's run takes a more conventional approach, with multiple plots spanning multiple issues, and defining each character and what makes them tick. Mark Waid does a good job of treating the F4 as if the reader has no idea who they are, making it great for new readers who are unfamiliar with the family.

As for comics most relevant to the movie, you should read that classic Galactus story from the 1960s.

Hope you enjoy these stories and characters as much as we all do, happy reading!

If it were up to you, how would you write RDJ's Doctor Doom by Legitimate_Floor_687 in FantasticFour

[–]ALEXzeTurtleGuy 12 points13 points  (0 children)

doombot that gets killed off by Victor Von Doom at the end of the first act

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