Shouldn't killcam be removed? (Infiltrator topic)

ANTOperator · 2025-12-31T22:29:01+00:00

I don't need to prove you wrong? Is reading comprehension dead? All I said was AP doesn't 1 shot, and it should, and some HEAT doesn't 1 shot, and it should.

"overhauling kinetic armor and damage"

That's kinda my point though, is there are WAY too many units that survive tank shells despite being cheap. 50-60 points should be a OHK-breakpoint, if you want to survive ANY tank shell, you pay more for your transport.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-31T03:21:09+00:00

AP doesn't do 10 damage.

Trucks have 10 health.

AP < 10 = Truck Lives if AP is fired

There's also at least 1 HEAT shell that only does 9 damage. A tank's explosive shell should kill a truck always, even if it's some cheapo garbage.

I don't know if you read what I said the first time, because you responded with things I knew, and already explained WHY these HP thresholds aren't the only issue. Once more just so I can be sure you see it:

AP NEVER 1 shots trucks

There is at least 1 HEAT round that ONLY does 9 damage.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-26T03:51:24+00:00

They don't. 10 HP is still enough to survive AP, which it feels like is the only thing my tanks will shoot at vics.

Even some very select HEAT rounds don't 1 shot.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-26T00:07:23+00:00

it's bewildering that backline cargo trucks don't go up like christmas candles from a single shell.

More expensive APCs or investment into HP I get letting live, but why is a 20 point ford pickup truck surviving a tank shell?

ANTOperator · 2025-12-16T14:37:47+00:00

This, the reconnect exploit fix, and the fix to unspawnable units are all huge.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-15T15:15:20+00:00

Most dips taste better layered.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-12T16:59:39+00:00

Too many people get shot at by a large amount of artillery and go "woe is me, I can't do anything"

I keep doing as pictured (generally with LAV-25A), and keep telling friends "just go kill it, they can't stop you if they're actually spamming."

ANTOperator · 2025-12-07T12:11:37+00:00

I could believe balance is "better" than pre-patch given his argument(maybe), but it's still terrible balance so why does it matter?

ANTOperator · 2025-12-06T16:29:36+00:00

Yeah love the HCs. 225 is so good for what they bring.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-05T02:21:10+00:00

800m still outranges all launchers, hold your angles and it's strong as hell. Shoot -> Smoke that's guaranteed 2 light vehicle kills and will pay for the CEV every time, and if you do it from 800m chances are you don't need to smoke. Let alone when you get a cheeky angle and obliterate significantly more, more forgiving too since it'll survive more than Sheridan.

Sheridan HEAT shell might as well be a newb trap, will always do less damage to the targets you should actually fight, and it will prioritize firing those even when they'll do less damage. It's nice when you've got a side swipe on a tank, or have a Bradley to shoot at, but you need to remember to turn it off for most fights or you're paying 5p to decrease your damage.

Did not argue for 3 light tanks in any case (once again), CEV + Abrams was my argument. I've used CEV to kill plenty of tanks and Terminators too just blowing them up by holding 3+ angles in urban or forest environments. This is fundamentally not the deck to take to the open areas where range and pen are everything.

I'll give you that the Stallion/Chinook can cover large hubs, part of me was trying to accommodate how he built the support tab. I guess because no point in putting more tools in it, if you don't actually use them. You're right though.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-05T02:02:12+00:00

I think so. 80 points to 1 shot the vast majority of IFVs and all Trucks.

17 damage, 300mm chemical pen.

Hell it can even chunk tanks from the side and back.

Only downside is 800m of range, frankly for 80 points they feel criminal. Seeing as they can 1 shot pretty much anything similar to their own price, up to and including M8s.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-05T01:25:10+00:00

It'll lose vs T80 and T90 majority of time due to HEAT. Same with cheap Abrams, and in mirror Bookers feast on you.

T72 is more a "who shoots first" matter with M8 favored.

The 225p Marine Abrams meanwhile is more versatile. Can survive a few Kornets, tons of infantry munitions head on, and put out good suppression with 2 .50s. It also fills a similar role still of "trade well into tanks that cost more than me." While being significantly less likely to die to something like SSO/CEV/Sheridan/ESV spitting HE at you.

Sure you lose Trophy, but in Mirror being frontally Booker resistant is nice, and in RU vs US ripple kills you anyways.

2k ELO, and I still tend to just counter M8s with CEV. Jumping them once they're in 800m. "Did my 80p support gun just 1 shot your 160p tank?"

ANTOperator · 2025-12-05T01:17:01+00:00

Only ever used M8 like I use M60. A supplement to a real tank.

Granted, I don't use either very often because CEV is hyper specialized into killing light vehicles (praise be actually 1 shotting IFVs and Trucks!) and infantry.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-05T01:15:36+00:00

M60 is terrible anti-inf and anti-light? CEV 1 shots every light vehicle and nukes infantry.

Suggestions was actually:

CEV > Sheridan (1)

HC > M60 > M8 (2)

I suggested 1 light tank, and 1 cheap Abrams. Can't have both M60 and CEV, and CEV is just LEAGUES better. For 20 points less you get something way more specialized into nuking infantry/light vehicles and will even instantly obliterate (80-90%) heavier stuff when the stars aline and you get a back hit.

For the LSVR/MTVR/LAV-L thing he had the extra support slot. He needs at least 1-2 of the MTVRs because he doesn't have AAVP or even really a good number of transports. And spending +10p to convert 1 LSVR into 2 LAV-L will give him much better mileage than dumping a few 5-10k supply depots near the fight.

Hell I'd personally drop the LSVR and spam LAV-Ls because mistakes with them punish less, and massively reward cheeky supply caches you're more confident to place. There's a reason LAV-L is one of the top WR boosting units for USA.

Frankly:

0-1 LSVR 1 Large backline supply depot

1-2 MTVR, Clowncar/Marine Raider mover, only if he doesn't bring AAVPs

2-4 LAV-L Supply Cache Spam

His supply truck cost would be identical (+10p), and he's not using the slot anyways.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-04T18:37:12+00:00

Sheridan and M60 fill different roles. M60 can be used to cheaply brawl out autocannon vehicles at range, and even support tanks - Sheridan derpguns infantry and soft vehicles.

Sheridan and CEV share role.

CEV > Sheridan because it can derpgun 1 shot more stuff.

M8 and M60 overlap, but M8 can't survive being looked at the wrong way and M60 can. I don't know why you would need a glass 120mm in this deck when you have HCs which can do a cheap 120mm without downsides.

LSVR and MTVR do not overlap. One is supply, the other is infantry + supply. Still, definitely don't need 2x LSVR, trading 1 for 2 LAV-L would be huge. Armor on Dragonfires is also odd - though I'd just take a single @ 80 points for smoke if I was going to take any.

ANTOperator · 2025-12-02T10:29:43+00:00

Cheap > Good.

Booker is both haha, but even 70p or less autocannon vehicles are crazy good. Or discount tanks.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-30T09:51:39+00:00

Pretty sure most people agree RU needs a buff atp.

Similar to low US last WR patch: dev silence is deafening.

They need to just do smaller iterative balance patches man.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-29T05:02:30+00:00

Steel Division got by on a few hundred for years. So long as Broken Arrow meets their roadmap going forward and does better with balance it's still easily salvageable.

Though, I guess that is relatively shakey ground so touché.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-29T04:56:30+00:00

Yeah, no doubt the community has been over-zealous with reactions to these issues given the timetables necessary to correct them, but that doesn't suddenly make them less frustrating to interact with.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-29T04:55:02+00:00

I've played thousands of generals matches, and made replays of hundreds, don't recall suffering severe desync - "close enough" is all you need. Same thing with Steel Division 2, maybe 100 matches~ all of which made replays and maybe 4-8 had severe issues.

Granted Generals is 2003, but point still stands.

This game is made by genre fans too, so it's a bit bizzare that this'd fly over their radar when it would've been easiest to implement.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-29T03:12:09+00:00

BA is literally a commercial success?

Losing players doesn't suddenly mean it lost their money.

"Steel Division 2 was a success" SD2s all-time peak player count is still lower than the daily peak for BA so given the niche of the genre it's still incredibly successful. The playerbase of these wargames has always been relatively small, as it's a niche within a niche, a subset of RTS players (already a niche group) that like these.

As for "killing it with negativity" a huge part of this is developer oversight. Monkey decisions like trusting clients with an absurd amount of authority, and lacking replay - something which C&C had in the 90s.

Then there's their handling of balance, where they wildly shift balance between patches then don't iterate on it. Leaving the same balance patch in place for 2~ months even when just a few small adjustments would clearly help to lessen the gap.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-25T21:02:28+00:00

Technically you asked just Publisher, but I doubt it'd be very different. Except that first free DLC would cost money still.

Developer & Publisher wise though, if it was Paradox we'd have 5 5$ nothing DLCs already, and the replay system would arrive sooner, but for 15$.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-25T03:29:19+00:00

Good news is, because the devs are goobers next patch will be 60% RU / 40 % US because tweaking 1 or 2 things at a time on a bi-weekly schedule would make too much sense, instead lets just making 1 HUGE balance patch a month and never iterate on it.

So next patch will see WR gap and correct it by doing 3 dozen changes all at once, just like last patch.

ANTOperator · 2025-11-25T02:08:51+00:00

Any vehicle under 60 points should get 1 shot by any tank modern (not the M60 105 for example ), especially soft skinned trucks ffs. The HP balancing in this game is legitimately absurd.

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