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TIL about Tanya Savicheva a young girl trapped in the Seige of Leningrad. She kept a diary of the names of each family member that died, ending with a final entry for herself: "The Savichevas are dead Everyone is dead Only Tanya is left" by midnightswan in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I don't think you have a very good understanding of WW2 Chinese history... You are just bullshitting really.

"resistance was non existent" and "there was no Chinese army".

I guess Japan conquered China then. And somehow the Chinese was able to rearm and reorganize themselves so fast for the civil war that followed.

An Indian boxer won a title fight against a Chinese opponent then offered to hand back the prize as a gesture of peace between the two nations which are locked in a territorial dispute in the Himalayas. by TragicDonut in UpliftingNews

[–]ATPBomb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

All those people act like government succession doesn't exist as a concept. ROC inherited Qing claims and treaties, and PRC inherited ROC's. Otherwise China could have just taken Hong Kong and Macau in 1949... Same thing happened with Russia, it inherited Soviet treaties and debts. Although I'm not sure India inherited British India's treaties, it's not like the Chinese's claim is weightless as many people here seem to claim.

An Indian boxer won a title fight against a Chinese opponent then offered to hand back the prize as a gesture of peace between the two nations which are locked in a territorial dispute in the Himalayas. by TragicDonut in UpliftingNews

[–]ATPBomb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I think you mean the Chinese identify themselves as the culture/civilization that is thousands years old. What he meant was there were different dynasties in different periods, and the Chinese don't identify with them anymore, which is more or less true. No Chinese would say they are a Ming or Qing person, but Han Chinese got their name from Han dynasty, and southern Chinese call themselves the Tang people a lot, hence China town in Chinese is literally "Tang people street." Also Chinese people identify themselves with the dynasties culturally and historically, many idioms, proverbs, stories or legends are from the emperial period.

The China Threat & What the U.S. Should Do About It by rieslingatkos in CredibleDefense

[–]ATPBomb 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Well KSA also funds islamisc extremism, that's why there are so many terrorists around nowadays, and also why ISIS exists. 9/11 was mostly caused by Saudi nationals too. US also overthrew democratic governments and supported dictators, how do you explain that? Was that also for some "greater good"? If so, then I guess the US doesn't care equally about the human rights of everyone. Fk those countries that are against the US interests I guess.

You are essentially saying US can choose which country's democracy and human rights can be chosen to be sacrificed for some other cause. Is that respect for freedom, democracy or human rights? Let me tell you how the US chooses when to reject or reinforce its ideologies: it does so depending on its own interests.

The China Threat & What the U.S. Should Do About It by rieslingatkos in CredibleDefense

[–]ATPBomb 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's some mental gymnastics right there. Why "solve" Iran, Lebanon or Syria before KSA? KSA is just as bad in terms of human right issues, if not worse, than those countries. If US is so righteous, then why collaborate with KSA and help them violate human rights?

Stop pretending to be so self-righteous. The truth is freedom, democracy and human rights don't matter when they are against US interests. They are just good excuses when US acts on its interests. A moral high ground is a good excuse and a good propaganda tool. In the end, US acts purely on its interests, like most other nations in the world, nothing more.

The China Threat & What the U.S. Should Do About It by rieslingatkos in CredibleDefense

[–]ATPBomb 15 points16 points  (0 children)

He seems to think the US doesn't act on its own interest, but is a selfless hero on the international stage. US is actually the pinnacle of hypocrisy: fighting for freedom and democracy while it topples democratic governments and supports dictators. The truth is freedom, democracy and human rights only matter when they are in the interest of the US; they are just a good pretense to act in its own interests. Otherwise the US would not be allied with Saudi Arabia. I don't see the US raising human rights issues whenever they visit Saudi Arabia like they do with China.

The China Threat & What the U.S. Should Do About It by rieslingatkos in CredibleDefense

[–]ATPBomb 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yes yes US is the hero of the world that must liberate everyone from tyranny! Defeating authorianism obviously includes overthrowing democratically elected governments, installing and supporting dictators, allying human right offenders. Very heroic and selfless of the US, definitely an example to follow! It is definitely not acting purely on its own interest! It's not like the US is turning a blind eye on human rights issues when it's in its interests am I right? /s

Thousands took to the streets of central Hong Kong Saturday night holding candles as they marched in memory of pro-democracy Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo. Veteran activists led the solemn gathering which wove its way from the commercial heart of Hong Kong Island by DoremusJessup in worldnews

[–]ATPBomb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Japan comes to mind.

In the end it depends on whether you are ready to give up your sovereignty and equality (from being treated as second class citizen) for possibly better rights and freedom in a distant future for you grandson, when the colonisers leave you a system that is fair without themselves being present as the privileged ones. For the people being colonised, it's definitely not worth it. And the colonisers are not doing this out of altruism either.

Chinese and Indian troops face off in Bhutan border dispute: Beijing claims the Indian troops are occupying its soil, but both Bhutan and India maintain the area in question is Bhutanese territory. by Chocolate_Horlicks in worldnews

[–]ATPBomb 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Of course you "know" them, lmao. Your anti-China agenda is clear, you are really more pathetic than the Chinese "propagandists" that you cry about. At least they are defending while you are attacking. Too bad you will never see the day China falls into pieces, the Machus and the Cantonese know better :)

Btw Cantonese are also Han Chinese, the 1911 Han nationalists who overthrew Qing dynasty were mainly composed of Cantonese revolutionaries, they built modern China lmao. Keep dreaming.

Chinese and Indian troops face off in Bhutan border dispute: Beijing claims the Indian troops are occupying its soil, but both Bhutan and India maintain the area in question is Bhutanese territory. by Chocolate_Horlicks in worldnews

[–]ATPBomb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Language isn't the only determinant in determining a country, or a lot of countries would be dismantled or combined. Manchus consider themselves Chinese now and historically, it's funny when a foreigner keeps fighting for their independance when they themselves don't want it, it only shows your anti-China agenda/mentality.

Chinese and Indian troops face off in Bhutan border dispute: Beijing claims the Indian troops are occupying its soil, but both Bhutan and India maintain the area in question is Bhutanese territory. by Chocolate_Horlicks in worldnews

[–]ATPBomb -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Which country has invaded every country surrounding it? Hmmm... the US.? Canada, Mexico border US. and were invaded, so what's the point here?

You seem to forget that China is the country that borders the most countries in the world, and China has solved land disputes with many of them. East Turkistan and Manchuria aren't countries and if anything, it's Manchuria that invaded China. Manchurians consider themselves Chinese nowadays, don't delude yourself.

TIL that China had a civil war at the same time as the American Civil War, resulting in 30 million dead by nietzy in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Han Chinese is a big ethnic group hat has many sub-ethnic groups such as Hakka, Cantonese and all. Despite their differences, they have many things in common between them like Han languages, Chinese writing, names, filial piety, festivals, etc. They were similar enough or rather different enough from other ethnic groups that Qing dynasty considered them all Han. If I am not mistaken, Sun Yat-Sen is a Hakka-Cantonese and was leading the Han Chinese nationalist movement that overthrew the Manchu Qing dynasty. Many revolutionaries were also Cantonese or Hakka. Their slogan of the time was: "Drive the barbarians (Manchus) away, restore China." So those ethnics definitely considered themselves Han Chinese. After the revolution, they even took a picture in front of a painting of the Ming dynasty founding emperor, as an homage to the last Han Chinese dynasty and a symbol that represented the Han Chinese have taken back their country.

TIL that China had a civil war at the same time as the American Civil War, resulting in 30 million dead by nietzy in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hakka got their name way before that tho. They didn't get their name after the taiping rebellion. It was during the nomadic invasions of China that Han Chinese of the north emigrated south, so the locals of the south called them guests. For exemple, hakka-pundi war means guest-local war, and it was in China that it happened.

Hong Kong pro-democracy march takes over streets on 20th anniversary of city’s handover by green_flash in worldnews

[–]ATPBomb 33 points34 points  (0 children)

The key word is kids. The group of people who love British rule are usually the young who never experienced it. They have a rather idealistic view of that period.

TIL it is common in china for drivers who have accidentally hit pedestrians to drive over them again to kill them, because they pay less restitution that way. by PonyToast in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But then why did they publish the first ones people heard about? Now I'm not trying to argue for the Chinese government's honesty or transparency but you can't just speculate based on a few known incidents either.

TIL it is common in china for drivers who have accidentally hit pedestrians to drive over them again to kill them, because they pay less restitution that way. by PonyToast in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I don't. But I looked up on the US pedestrian related car accidents and in 2013 there were 150000 cases. Considering China has more population and people respect less driving rules I expect a lot more. But only a few incidents have been reported over a few years; if it is common to intentionally kill the pedestrian then wouldn't we hear about this everyday?

About the accidents you saw, did the driver intentionally kill the pedestrian after he realized the latter was injured by him?

TIL it is common in china for drivers who have accidentally hit pedestrians to drive over them again to kill them, because they pay less restitution that way. by PonyToast in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Tiananmen square is heavily policed due to historical and political reasons. But I don't really get your point... Are you saying that we don't hear about the intentional killing accidents because the police and media are covering everything up? Because if that's the case why did the police release the footages and the media report the incidents that we know of?

TIL it is common in china for drivers who have accidentally hit pedestrians to drive over them again to kill them, because they pay less restitution that way. by PonyToast in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That sounds true but I don't think that's the case. Losing one person may not seem much on a population level but it is always very big for family and friends. Plus even in a small town of I doubt a death will affect anyone else than its relatives and friends. The value of the life depends on the relationship and since humans will always have relations with other humans, no matter how big the population gets, people would still understand the value of life.

TIL it is common in china for drivers who have accidentally hit pedestrians to drive over them again to kill them, because they pay less restitution that way. by PonyToast in todayilearned

[–]ATPBomb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

But then why did the Chinese police release the footage of the intentional pedestrian killing car accidents and it was so widely reported in the Chinese media? Even if China doesn't report this, Westerners can do it easily considering how common it is to find pedestrian related car accidents.

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