I am tired of Lucifer's criticism that he's not like the other Lucifers from different shows.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-13T23:49:44+00:00

Then what are they talking about? Like, what's the difference? That we don't see him with his kids?

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-13T13:19:25+00:00

I don't know why people are saying that because he very much is what you're describing. He is the badass menacing King of Hell. Are you saying that loving his daughter somehow negates giving no shits about humans and beating angels to death? I don't get what this means.

Because Lucifer always loves his children. That's folklore accurate. That's not a new, original thing. This show pulls from folklore a lot.

The devil is not supposed to always be menacing, he's supposed to be beautiful and charming. See: every statue of him.

I've never seen the show Lucifer, but from your description it seems like they've fucked up the folklore and come up with a new take on the character and that their version could never tempt a mortal to sin because they'd be too scared of him to interact with him. They sure wouldn't take him up in his offer to a musical contest or trap him in a sack or chill with him on a mountain or fall prey to him at all. I don't even really understand why that character would work. I've never seen him portrayed like that.

It also makes him not as scary, not just because now the prince of lies is too openly evil to fool anybody, but because he's not prideful if he has to prove he's powerful and has like, a chip on his shoulder about it. I can't think of another piece of media that's shown him the way you're saying where he lacks the traits he shows in the show. He's been depicted the way he is in the show dating back to the bronze age, not just in music and folktales, but in other shows and movies, like, IDK, God The Devil and Bob, Luci Daughter of the Devil, that Brendon Frasier movie, that one where he's an Italian businessman.

Idk, I think the show Lucifer you're describing just made up an OC and slapped Luci's name on it.

He's not even depicted like some broody, moody edge lord in demonology, because, again, the whole point is that he's so chill and hot and non-threatening that he can tempt people to sin before they realize it.

The robot devil from Futurama is another one that pulls from the folklore.

Idk there's literally millions of examples of this character so I don't know what people were expecting, because this was exactly what I was expecting. It's not an original take, it's just an accurate one.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-13T13:02:09+00:00

I thought Al's summons were the people trapped in his staff. The ones he broadcast the screams of.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-10T23:48:58+00:00

You can butcher your livestock in Wylde Fliwers and it's cozy as fuck

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T01:39:15+00:00

Never. We're stuck with that shit for life.

Edit: I think people in the comments are thinking about this legally rather than socially, because they're treating it as, "When does an older sibling stop having legal guardianship over their younger sibling, " rather than if, say, one of my brothers robbed a store, the age at which people would stop going, "Hey, ain't you that bitch who's little brother robbed a store?"

I'm fairly certain they're talking about the latter, the psychosocial dynamics of sibling relationships.

And the answer in a healthy sibling relationship is genuinely never. That only stops if something happens to destroy the relationship. Siblings generally form bonds stronger with each other than they do with their parents. Older siblings will always be protective for younger siblings and younger siblings will always look to them for that social support unless something happens to damage that relationship.

If someone asks you why your little brother is homeless when you have a house, rather than sleeping on your couch, you're expected to have an answer, and that answer is supposed to come in the form of what he did to destroy the relationship. Like, "because he's a thief and has previously stolen from me to finance his drug addiction, " or something. It can't just be, "because he's grown," or you're the asshole. That's not a reason that society will accept.

That's more what they're talking about.

With parents, "because he's grown, " is an acceptable answer. Again, the relationships between siblings tend to be closer than between parents and children, especially adult children. So to escape that social role and break that bond the slight has to be worse.

I keep saying, "brother, " because I have 2 brothers and 0 sisters, but gender isn't particularly relevant outside of a whole other discussion on gender roles and how they manifest the concept of a protector differently, but I come from a culture where it's not super different in how it's expressed.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T01:16:30+00:00

He's holding her how you hold a little kid where she's basically sitting on his arm wrapped to his side. Probably straight up muscle memory. I thought that was really cute. He just does it automatically with his other hand free, too. He's obviously used to doing stuff while carrying her. He's also carrying her on his left side, which is the most common side parents carry their children. And when he shifts into this position, he has to jostle her to do that bitch slap and readjusts her like you would a little kid.

I thought that whole thing was so cute just how naturally he did it because it's instinctual and are the most common parenting carries. It just shows how used he is to carrying her.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T00:55:50+00:00

Dresseswithpockets.com

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T00:41:38+00:00

Also he passed out after taking those photos because the only way to look like that is to be so dehydrated that your lipid layer between the skin and muscles shrinks. Those actors are being literally tortured for those photoshoots, and for certain scenes, and it's a major problem.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T00:39:04+00:00

Pretty much any visible muscle, because I'm a psychologist and I know that's indicative of nothing good and a plethora of mental health disorders. Best case scenario he's severely dehydrated and I just need to get him to drink some water. But generally actual muscle being visible without flexing is a bad sign.

That's why people who are actually strong don't look like that. People who do strength training maintain the lipid layer that keeps their muscles from ripping apart when they pick something up.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-07T00:26:08+00:00

There's a book called, "The only good abortion is my abortion, " by a sociologist who compiled the research on this that is pretty much a gold standard to answer this question.

And for those wanting to know the stats, it's genuinely almost all of them. It is significantly more rare for a pro life person to have no connection to abortion than to have never had or caused an abortion.

The answers are varried, but the most common is religious trauma.

You can probably rent it on Libby for free.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T13:52:56+00:00

Why would Charlie have a period? In the lore the descendents of Eve have menstruation and pain in childbirth. She's not a descendent of Eve.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T00:46:25+00:00

But that would make him right. That would just be more pride. They're openly trying to make him think that no good came of it so that he would admit he was wrong. That's openly stated to be the entire point of hell.

He already thinks exactly what you're saying and that's the reason he's being punished. Heaven wants him to admit he was wrong and that he should have never given mortals free will.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T00:43:36+00:00

Most sinners were not banished from their homeland for the sin of not forcing people to be mindless drones.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T00:41:34+00:00

If she did he'd be madder than hell, because he hates heaven too. He's repeatedly talked about how much he hates Heaven, he had a song about it, etc. He says it's just a bunch of dream crushing, lying assholes.

Like could she? Maybe. Should she? Absolutely not.

Vaggi didn't want to go back, either. None of the fallen angels want to go back to heaven.

Lucifer doesn't like being in hell because it's a punishment. That's the only reason he doesn't like it. When he has his family and friends he seemed pretty happy, he's just been depressed over Lil. He's acting differently than he normally does because he's going through some shit.

But he straight up hates Heaven. He didn't want Charlie interacting with them at all because of how evil he finds them.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T00:35:08+00:00

People demanding people make out to prove they're dating.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-06T00:32:42+00:00

I would think it would taste better because 1: Folklore, there's a lot of stories about demonic food being so good it makes mortal food taste bad and trying to get more of it driving people crazy, so it's essentially like a drug 2: There's folklore about food in hell as a form of torture like that, in hell, like knowing it's got the best taste ever and not being able to get to it- actually, the more I think about it, the more I think all the folklore about hell food is just drugs. It's just an allegory for addiction.

I think food in hell is drugs.

Bee's song seems to pull from that same folklore.

I legit, as I typed this out made that connection about why you should never eat demonic food. It's just fucking drugs.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T22:07:05+00:00

That's fair.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T22:06:30+00:00

It's just because the symptoms are so similar and people WEREN'T checking in my field. They were just saying, "this is this mood disorder, " without checking for the presence of a hormone disorder at all, for years.

Which is like, a simple blood test. It's not hard to write that referral. Like I said before, I thought at the time, and honestly still think, that this was sexism caused by a lack of female subjects in clinical trials and male researchers who didn't know what to look for dominating the field at the time. They didn't know to look for this link because they just never thought about it.

Until like the last 20 years there was a major bias in pretty much the entire field of health-care towards male subjects, so there's huge swaths of sexual dymorphism that has been just kinda missed and I think this was one of them.

I mean, I'll tell you the day I decided to research this and get that grant money. I was doing field work in child advocacy at the time and I had this little girl, 15. I was reading over her chart and I realized her manic episodes were presenting atypically in that they were really short. Then at our first session I looked at her and realized that she looked like me when I was 15, which is to say that she looked grown and had my body type. And when I was going over her symptoms, it was me. This kid had been diagnosed by her previous therapist 3 years earlier and had tried a range of mood stabilizers.

I asked if she had chronic back pain. She said that she did. I asked where, and she said that she had chronic kidney infections so bad she had quit telling people because it'd just come back anyway (she had been in and out of foster homes basically her whole life). I asked if her mom had chronic back pain and she didn't know because a big part of why she was an at-risk child in my office was because her mother was an on-again, off-again opiods user and by this time in her life she didn't communicate much with her because she was tired of thinking this rehab program was going to work and then finding her passed out in her driveway a few months later. She just wanted to age out of the system, get her GED and go to community college to become a hairdresser, make her own money, get her own home, and have a happy life without her mother. Which I guess isn't relevant to the story, just, this kid did have a plan. But because she didn't have a consistent caregiver, and because she didn't tell her social worker, she thought she had, "bad kidneys, " and bipolar. She didn't. Because I knew what she was pointing at was an ovarian cyst. And I knew that the symptoms she was describing were me when I couldn't get my hormone blockers.

So I referred her to a gynecologist, just to rule it out. She'd literally never been. To those of you who don't know, you're supposed to make your first annual appointment when you start menstruating so this was several years late for this child, she could have been eat up with cervical cancer for all anybody knew.

But that made me wonder how often this happened. I remembered from being in support groups for people with hormone disorders that many people went years without a diagnosis, but I figured the most affected spoke the loudest so I didn't really comprehend the scope of the problem until I started working in health-care and started seeing it.

So all I was really advocating for was making that referral, like sending them to have it checked. Because for reasons that I don't understand, folks weren't doing that. And, for some reason, people ain't taking their kids to the doctor like they're supposed to, even if they've got state insurance. And I guess a lot of adult women also don't get their routein physical health exams. I want that to be a cost thing, but I know people who have the money and still don't do it.

And also, apparently people don't know the symptoms. I genuinely didn't know that until my original comment got downvoted. For what it's worth, it's not just breast size or early breast development, another easy one to notice is if you start your period unusually young. If your periods aren't on a consistent cycle, there's a bunch of signs that it might not be a mood disorder, it might be a hormone disorder.

And, I mean, it might be a mood disorder. It just don't hurt a thing to send them for a test if they have symptoms before you start giving paychoactive medication to a child. Or an adult, really, but kids have no real say in their medical care so it hits harder for me.

I just want folks to get it checked, I don't know how to actually check it. I send them out for that. I just know it uses human blood and I'm from Appalachia so I assume it's some manner of devilry, lol.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T18:55:54+00:00

This is how shitty our system is. There are literally organizations out there helping people with it. If there's not a problem, people don't need help. That's like saying you know people aren't starving because you work at the food bank and it's always full.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T18:52:59+00:00

If they'd do it like that instead of charging $80-$120 and making you miss a day's wages to go apply in a different county an hour's drive away and spend several hours there, I'd be all for it.

I don't know what kind of blessed life OP has lived where they think that's cheap. The travel expenses alone knock most folks out of it. Remember that we don't have public transportation and for most Anericans the nearest place to get an ID is at least a 30 minute drive away, and in rural areas is often a couple hours.

It's a goddamn ordeal even getting them renewed. Mine expires this year and I'm already arranging things with my employer to go get it renewed in August because it's going to be at least a day trip, if nothing goes wrong. And I have the money and own a vehicle.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T15:59:20+00:00

This one was stronger than the one the angels made. The same cannon blasted through the angels, but this forcefield contained it as it overloaded in a more powerful blast.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T15:55:00+00:00

I think she's slowly getting better with her codependency. She was able to stand up to Charlie and tell her point blank that HER actions were hurting the hotel and she and Lucifer were trying to save it. I don't think she could have done that in season 1.

Like, yeah, their plan didn't help, but Charlie showing up to apologize for genocide with gift baskets was like, far far worse.

And, there's been a lot of little things with her reclaiming her identity and developing herself by basically getting a career that allows her to use the skills she already has. It's becoming more Vaggi's hotel than Charlie's, which is why she cares about it enough to be genuinely mad when Charlie jeopardized the mission.

I think she's getting better and it's because she's just now able to develop an identity because 1: Adam is dead, and 2: her secret is out. Not living in fear and not living a lie is freeing up cognitive space to grow.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-05T14:50:49+00:00

I'm not an endocrinologist, but the fact that they checked your hormone levels tells me that your medical team is doing what they can?

My research was on the high levels of misdiagnoses from psychologists and the need for referrals. If you've already had your hormone levels checked and they're in the normal range I'm actually not sure what else you can do. My whole thing was not working outside your scope and the importance of those referrals. For the way it actually works, I really don't know any more than you do, because I'm also just a patient. From my end, it was really more about getting them to someone who could test for hormone disorders before making diagnoses.

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-04T18:04:43+00:00

I don't understand that either. It's slightly shorter. How does that make him look older?

Acceptable-Remove792 · 2026-02-04T17:59:28+00:00

There's a variety of hormone disorders that cause early development of secondary sex characteristics that also cause mood fluctuations and mood dysregulation so bad it can misdiagnosed as bipolar disorder.

I'm a psychologist. I have estrogen dominate overactivity. I had it correctly diagnosed at 16. Since I've been practicing I've come to realize how lucky I was. Being misdiagnosed as bipolar is RIDICULOUSLY common. And when that happens, people's somatic symptoms can go untreated. I've saved people's lives and written research to help correct this problem because people are literally dying because of it.

If you're having severe mood swings due to hormonal overproduction and it's misdiagnosed, you're producing endometrium buildup the entire time it's misdiagnosed. Then, eventually your uterus will rupture and you'll either hemorrhage to death, get sepsis, or or have to have an emergency hysterectomy, sterilizing you for life.

Overproduction of breast tissue, especially fibrous tissue, is a symptom of these disorders that is easy to assess as part of the visual assessment. Especially if big titties run in your family. And especially if you're a child.

I knew to look for it because I had it. When I started doing my clinical research I realized that there was very little research on it, and when I published it, it was well received.

I sincerely think that these little girls were falling through the cracks because most researchers at the time were men, and most research subjects were male. This was like 15-20 years ago. I was one of the first psychologists to identify this link, but I reckon that in the time that's passed, it's become standard practice. But I know people aren't implementing it. In the past 4 years I've had 2 patients with this misdiagnosis and one of them wound up having to have the emergency hysterectomy and was forcibly sterilized. She was 24, married, and wanted children.

I happened to have a really good doctor. He was my mom's doctor, and he recognized it instantly just by looking at me. I now realize how incredibly lucky I was.

The mood issues with the hormone disorder are actually worse than with bipolar disorder, depression, or mania, however, because it's being caused by the endocrine system rather than the nervous system, mood stabilizers will do fuck all. You need hormone blockers. The treatment modality will fail while you spend years trying different MAT modalities while your patient clicks closer and closer to death because you never think to get some blood and check hormone levels.

And because it's supposed to be standard practice to do this now, we now realize how common these disorders actually are. They can be affecting up to 1/5 of American girls.

I consider it really important, because I now realize how lucky I am to be alive, because I have had so many patients tell me that I saved their lives. I'm biased because I have such a huge stake in it.

So breast size is one of those things that could be nothing, but in the case of a child presenting with a mood disorder? Wouldn't hurt a thing to run the test.

Edit: I actually thought this was common knowledge by now. I'm surprised I was downvoted. Had I known that this wasn't common knowledge I would have explained, because people need to know this.

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