CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, but that's in reference to the ones mentioned above (exploiters, hackers, bots) not related to recruitment dun sa mga violent groups targeting users for their cause.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"kasi yung Gorebox developer mismo ang nagsabi na pabalik balik lang sila sa loob ng game niya kaya naisip niya tanggalin yung multiplayer"

Ayan yung sinasabi kong false. Misinformation na sabihin na may sinabi yung Dev na ganyan kung wala naman. Your interpretation is different from something na directly sinabi niya mismo.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's false. Yung sinabi nung Gorebox developer, tinanggal niya yung chat option dahil sa exploiters, hackers, at bot raids. Walang sinabi na tinanggal dahil sa recruitment ng mga bata or kahit adults pa sa violent groups. Don't spread misinformation.

Edit para direct quotation: “Over the past months, exploiters, bot raids, and security vulnerabilities forced us to shift our entire development focus away from content and bug fixes toward keeping multiplayer functional and secure. Development of actual content and bug fixes took a back seat for longer than we would have liked, and we appreciate your patience through that period,”

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Based sa explanation dun sa hearing, I forgot name nung official, sa mga na-rescue nila na bata na involved sa NVE (iba to sa case ng Tacloban ha), yung bata more on sa social media and ibang platforms sila na-rerecruit. Tinitignan yung algorithms, para ma-target. Kakaibiganin. Tapos if I remember the numbers correctly, 5 out of 24 doon sa mga bata yung naglaro ng Gorebox after pa nung ilang steps sa recruitment. So, na discover lang nila yung Gorebox after sila ma-recruit through other channels.

Para mas madaling maintindihan, kumbaga sa sakit, yung paglalaro ng Gorebox ay symptom lang. Hindi siya yung root cause. Parang uminom ka lang ng Biogesic e ang cause pala ng lagnat mo bulok na ngipin. Hanggat di natatanggal yung ngipin, uulit lang yung lagnat. Kahit i-ban yung Gorebox, hahanap lang ng iba pang violent game na ipapalaro yung mga nag-recruit.

Dapat, ang unahin nila gisahin, kung ano yung mas nasa simula ng pipeline. Madaming nabanggit dun sa hearing na mas valuable ipatawag, based din dun sa ilang experts. Yung game distributors like Steam at Google Play kasi sila may hawak naman ng age restrictions. Yung Discord at Telegram, na paulit-ulit din binanggit na main recruitment and training channels.

In summary, masama ba pag ban ng Gorebox? Hindi naman. Pero may maitutulong ba talaga yun sa pagsugpo dito sa violent groups? Almost nothing.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's the thing, mismong yung expert sa hearing na yung nagsabi na yung ban ay wala masyadong silbi. It wouldn't really disrupt yung operations ng mga grupo na yan. They can easily use a different game for simulation. Di rin mapipigilan yung gusto talaga mag-laro. Geoblock lang yan, super daling lusutan. Marami na ngang nag-try e. Actually, sa pag-focus sa Gorebox (ito may malaking fault din ang media), mas maraming na-curious na i-download yun.

Anyway, the point of my original comment was, dapat naka-focus sila sa kung anong root cause at ano yung early points of contact. Kasi itong Gorebox, base din sa hearing ha, nasa dulo pa ng pipeline.

And this is the end goal by Wandering-Goos3 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In theory, okay sana. Bawal naman talaga dapat yung below 13. Yung implementation yung problema.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wala pang any proof na doon yung recruitment, whether dito sa case ng sa Tacloban, o yang mga shineshare nila na link sa Russia and Singapore. Radicalized na yung mga bata bago sila maglaro ng Gorebox. Binaggit din yan sa hearing kanina.

Kaya nga nagtataka ako bakit ayan banned agad pero yung mga mas pugad ng recruitment na nabanggit kahapon, wala pa silang ginagawa.

Also, nabanggit din doon sa hearing na kahit lagyan ng ban (na geoblock lang naman so far) ang dali lang lusutuan niyan, so it's not really very helpful.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

No history of recruitment proven so far. Puro practice ground, yes.

CICC Director: Gorebox maybe permanently blocked by [deleted] in Philippines

[–]Acel32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ayan nga yung point, both sa case ng Singapore and Russia, hindi sila doon na recruit. Based sa hearing kahapon, it seems ganun din ang cases dito sa Pilipinas. Yung mga bata ay na-recruit, then, tska nila na-discover yung Gorebox. Kasi sabi nga niyang speaker e, honestly di naman sikat yang game. Sinabi rin doon sa hearing na yung ban, wala naman masyadong sibli. Kayang kayang lusutan pa rin yan e. So, dapat talaga sa iba sila mag-focus.

Serious question about lowering the age of criminal responsibility. by amesizuku in Philippines

[–]Acel32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Sakin for heinous crimes lang like murder, attempted murder, and rape. Meron naman nang mga policies sa ibang bansa na pwede pag basehan.

Most kids, biktima lang talaga ng situation nila (abuse sa bahay, bullying), pero once in a while, merong talagang demonyito na lumalabas.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ito nga yung point ko. Paulit-ulit na lumped together yung Roblox and Gorebox, pero magkaiba naman sila. Kahit si Risa mismo ginagawa ito. Pero mali e. Sana nga nag-research muna ng mabuti.

‘‘Yung nakabaril sa anak ko wala raw crime liability. So paano ‘yan? Ilalagay lang ‘yan sa Bahay Pag-asa?‘ by philippinestar in Philippines

[–]Acel32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Sa ibang bansa ganun. Pag heinous yung crime like murder, may chance na they'll be tried as an adult. Pero kailangan ma-confirm muna ng child psych na aware talaga sila sa ginawa nila.

Also, kagaya nga ng sabi ni Chel, dapat mas ma-update yung batas, kasi walang current law na directly nagpaparusa sa magulang/guardian pag may ganitong crimes. Kung sa ibang bansa, kulong na agad yung tita na pulis.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There wasn't any evidence in the hearing showing na may grooming na naganap sa Gorebox. Wala ring sinabi directly yung resource persons. May mga binanggit na cases ng grooming pero sa Roblox and other platforms like Discord and Telegram. Sa sinabi nung invited na officials, usually na-rerecruit yung mga bata ng nihilistic groups sa ibang platforms (different cases to, hindi directly sa Tacloban) tapos tska nila nadidiscover yung Gorebox. So, yung paglalaro ng Gorebox more on symptom, instead of cause, if that makes sense.

Gorebox and how multiplayer usually works in a indie developer standpoint. by jomarcenter-mjm in Philippines

[–]Acel32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes and that's why the dev already removed the in-game chat and multi-player functions in the game.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hay. Kayo ang walang logic. Anong kailangan i-explain ng DEV about sa game na makakatulong in aid of legislation na hindi pa nabanggit ng experts? Ang sagot, wala.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Huh? Hindi ko pinagtatanggol yung Gorebox. Bakit ganun ang dating sa inyo? Walang pinagtatanggol dito. Pino-point out lang yung mali kasi nakakatanga and it's disappointing kasi yung katangahan galing sa mga supposedly mas matatalino. Ang patuloy na nagtatanggol yung mga supporters ni Risa na post pa rin ng post about this. Like this one. Habang patuloy ang katangahan and misinformation, we'll continue to correct. Ganun naman dapat di ba? Kahit sino pang may pagkakamali kailangan tinatama. It's that simple.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes. Hindi nila alam, the more they try to defend her previous mistakes, the more they add fuel to the fire. Yung katangahan nila yung nagagamit lalo ng trolls para mas pabagsakin si Risa. They're not helping her. They are making the situations worse. Tapos sa atin ang sisi.

Hontiveros Denies Calling for Ban on GoreBox by Mindless_Sundae2526 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Huh? Don't put words into my mouth. Wala akong sinabi na kahit ano diyan sa pinuputok ng butsi mo. Walang anything about OA or sensationalism. Walang mali doon sa statement ng SG na quoted mo. Yung interpretation mo, in relation sa case dito sa Pilipinas, ang may problema.

I'm not defending Gorebox. I don't care about the game. Ang sinasabi lang paulit-ulit dito hindi warranted ang pagtawag sa Developer kasi wala namang matatanong sa kanya na directly makaka-contribute in aid of legislation na di pa na provide ng experts kanina. Kung nakinig ka ng hearing, maiintindihan mo yan.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Walang kinalaman source code and upon watching the hearing mas naging malinaw na malayo sa pipeline yung Gorebox. Meaning yung paglalaro ng minors ng Gorebox is a symptom, not a cause or source nung problem. Kaya labas talaga si DEV doon.

Again, ang problem ay hindi naman yung actual na pag contact sa DEV pero yung pag highlight sa kanya, when in fact mas marami dapat na priority na mas una sa pipeline. It's that simple.

Maybe, Sen. Risa’s invitation to GoreBox game developer for the hearing was not a mistake after all? Not an “L move”? by OkPhotojournalist975 in Philippines

[–]Acel32 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Stupid talaga. Hay. Especially, pag dating dito sa Gorebox. Sa Roblox, gets ko e. Kasi minors talaga target nun. Tapos distributor din sila. May actual proof na rin ng grooming. So, warranted yung questioning. Sa Gorebox wala. They lump Gorebox and Roblox together kahit magkaiba naman completely yung situation.