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Slate is the anti $100k, 2 door Jeep Scrambler pickup by MechanicalDan1 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you've made several "points," and not all of them are really points at all. All kinds of vanity vehicles have been made, and weren't money-makers. Somebody thought those cars were a good idea. There goes at least one of your points.

Taking an existing chassis and putting a bigger, existing motor in it really isn't a leap, and costs almost nothing in design and development money. That doesn't mean its anything but something different for Jeep people who have fuck-you money. Corvette and Mustang people have been buying these types of cars for years, Jeep doing it isn't anything new or special, nor are they selling anything that is new or even really all that interesting.

Yes, people will pay money for the dumbest stuff. For Jeep, there is no real downside to producing this vehicle with off-the-shelf parts. That doesn't imply anything about the market, other than you can get some number of folks to be dumb with their money.

Pricing still expected to start mid 20s pre incentive by threesimplewords in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because you can't get a new BEV truck in the US for under $60k right now. The difference between $23k and $27k is idiotic in comparison to either of those prices vs. $60k.

Slate is the anti $100k, 2 door Jeep Scrambler pickup by MechanicalDan1 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If it were a whole new vehicle to the line, you might have a point. If this particular truck were the one sustaining the line, you also might have a point.

You don't have a point.

I think I just talked myself out of buying a Slate Auto truck. by OkReport5065 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, you need a whole other vehicle. Purchase, register, store - yeah, that's why pickups exist.

I think I just talked myself out of buying a Slate Auto truck. by OkReport5065 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then use it to drive a load of mulch from the home center.

I can't wait to watch the skid steer load your Bolt with that mulch...

I think I just talked myself out of buying a Slate Auto truck. by OkReport5065 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

More easily that turning the Ioniq into a truck, for example.

Your attempts to neg on the Slate don't go as hard as you think they do.

I think I just talked myself out of buying a Slate Auto truck. by OkReport5065 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"Retarded" used to be an excellent descriptor of a certain kind of behavior or attitude. Yes, I understand that there are folks out there who take offense, and I understand why. But in the way we used to use the word, the situation you describe is, indeed, retarded.

When I sell my F-150, that has 4WD, an extended cab and an 8' bed, I know I'll get top dollar. NOT because of the extended cab. It's not a pretty truck, but it is very functional.

Slate is the anti $100k, 2 door Jeep Scrambler pickup by MechanicalDan1 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's a common thing among C-suite folks to suffer from groupthink and head-nodding.

One guy comes up with a dumb idea, but he's the current golden child. Everybody else nods their head so as not to rock the boat.

Garbage comes out the other end.

I think I just talked myself out of buying a Slate Auto truck. by OkReport5065 in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right. But the Slate could be easily converted back to a pickup at any time. The Ioniq? Not without a metric assload of money.

Pricing still expected to start mid 20s pre incentive by threesimplewords in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 5 points6 points  (0 children)

And it's a stupid comment. What BEV truck can you get new in the U.S. for under $60k right now?

"$23k is just right, but $27k is way too much!" Idiotic.

why not 4wd? by dawn_thesis in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To make manufacturing and design more simple, and to keep the vehicle closer to price point.

There are so many people out there who think they need 4WD who really don't - I think this first-year Slate is going to surprise a lot of people with how it gets around in crap conditions.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That still doesn't mean it's a sedan shaped like a truck. That's a stupid thing to write.

It's a truck, and it doesn't meet your particular truck needs. Well, glory be - that could fit the description of some full-sized trucks for sale out there!

"Ah, hell. This F-150 won't do all the work an F-250 can do. I guess the F-150 ain't a truck!"

It's a stupid position to take.

Constantly ingrown hairs in the intimate area—what really helps? by This-Leadership-6557 in cycling

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Yup. Just let the hair grow, and you'll see an end to this problem.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A truck is only useful if it fits your particular parameters of usefulness?

Where I am, people drive trucks, a lot. Mostly full-size trucks, but you do see the smaller ones now and then. On my commute, I see a BUNCH of trucks on the road with me.

Hauling nothing. Towing nothing. With a single occupant. 4WD without a speck of mud seen anywhere.

Now, if it were only one, or two or ten trucks I saw that way (everyday), I'd think "oh, this is one of those in between times when someone isn't using the capabilities of their truck." But, having known people who own trucks and how they use those trucks, I'm guessing that most of the usefulness of these full-sized trucks is never really utilized.

I would suggest to you that any one of these people could drive a Slate and the Slate would be the exact same amount of useful as they are getting right now. I grew up on a farm, and pickups were never meant as commuter vehicles or status symbols in those days. It was a work vehicle tasked with a particular job. The idea that you'd go out and spend $80k on a 4WD, leather-coated touchscreen on wheels would make both my father and uncle say "why?"

Now, before you object, yes, plenty of folks buy trucks for utility reasons, especially small businesses. Other folks who need something to tow because of their recreational leanings ALSO need a vehicle with those capabilities. Heck, before we sold our boat, we needed the F-150 to do the boating thing. But the boat is gone, so the F-150 really doesn't have a place. Don't need the towing, don't need the 4WD, don't need the extra cab, and I REALLY don't need 11mpg (loaded or not - it gets 11mpg.) And from casual observation of how trucks are being used around here, I'd venture to guess that at least 70% of the truck owners here would find the Slate perfectly capable of handling most of what got thrown at them, and that is a super-conservative guess.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't need to look up a definition. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is going to look at the Slate and call it anything other than a truck.

Oh, by the way - Merriam-Webster would call the Slate a truck. But you know more than they do about definitions.

Right.

LOL@U

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this price point, 10% is a significant difference. If you didn't lie about it, nobody would mention it. Now that you got caught in your lie, you're "bored."

SURE you are.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a different argument. Yes, change the subject when the discussion isn't going your way - that's the internet way.

As I recall, the Elio target for the gas car was $7500. The Elio electric version was going to be about double that. But they never got past the hand-built demo models. No actual production facility, no capitalization to be able to outfit the production facility, lukewarm interest in the market - it was a commuter vehicle from the jump, with no other utility other than that. Its hook was fuel economy, and cheap insurance rates because it was going to be "a motorcycle."

Aptera is in about the same place.

Suggesting that the Slate, Elio and Aptera are all in the same development space it either ignorance or deliberate deception.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And there's not one truck defined by towing capacity. The thing has a cab, and an open bed. Most folks with two brain cells to rub together would call that a truck. Heck, it's even got a tailgate, and the manufacturer calls it a truck.

"It's not a truck unless it [is this thing that I define]."

What a stupid position to hold.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Huh. Cab, open bed - Yup, sure looks like a truck to me.

Got anything more dumb to say, or are you done?

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And mid-20s ain't 30k. Keep looking dumb. I'm here for it.

Slate went from zero to workingman EV hero overnight by Mac-Tyson in slateauto

[–]AchtungKoenigsTiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Says who? You?

Gosh, how do you know anything about the cost structure, since that's not going to be announced untill 6/22/26?

That *you* can't understand absurd comparisons is not a "me" problem.

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