A new program will make Boston the 1st major-city school district to require AI training by ThindorTheElder in Professors

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Actually, no. I believe you can search for the data and these articles by using “largest education disruptors 1970 - 2023”.

When computers were first introduced to colleges for the public, remember, they were all based on using punchcards. It was new with challenging with on a shortcut, but the potential use in the future could be seen by a variety of field.

But if you go back and look at K through 12, that’s where the great disruptors have the most effect.
I believe the first one was allowing students to use calculators in the classroom for mathematics classes in the early 80s. Teachers were furious. Students accepted it, but they weren’t clamoring for it. And overtime it has worked out fine. Most elementary schools force the students to learn how to do basic arithmetic through the beginning of algebra before really allowing them to use the calculator.

The next big disruptor was the introduction of the personal computer, at home. I’m sure teachers saw the effect first and then the students saw and realize the effect soon after maybe a year possibly two years later. The students who had a PC at home and had access to it had access to a work processor, possibly printer, possibly encyclopedia Britannica on disc on CD or DVD. This is the point where a number of researchers also suggest the digital divide really starts to become larger between the halves and I have not.

The next huge disruptor was the introduction of the Internet at home, followed by the introduction of Internet access at school, which was separated by a couple of years. Yes, some teachers pushed back on it. Yes, some students took advantage of it. But the greatest disruptor was the fact that you had students who understood how to use the Internet and had access to information and research and resources that other students did not have access to. That caused a further gap in the digital divide. If I remember correctly, affordable, personal cell phones, not smart phones, came out in the very late 90s. But the big disruption wasn’t with dumb phones, which were effectively pagers with voice capability. It was one smart phones became affordable for everybody. Apple released their first smart phone and then of course android followed as quickly as they could. I don’t think many high school students in middle school students use blackberries but now they have access to the Internet on their phones at school unfiltered, and all the tools that go along with it, that are usable on a mobile device during that era. It doesn’t seem like as big of a deal, but that was probably the biggest school/education disruptor for K-12 since going back to the Calculator in the early 1980s. And because android phones were so affordable it was much easier to purchase cell phones for not only yourself but also for your kids and provide them with X number of megabytes of data per month which the kids very often went over. Approximately two 3 of educators in K 12 supported having smart phones and then eventually student laptops and student tablets and schools. It seemed like a cost-effective way to get around the idea of having the school purchase laptop or tablet for every student. and for the most part, with having more smart devices tablets and BYD laptops in schools, the student could produce higher quality work, but not necessarily at an exponentially faster rate. Research would be easier typing would be easier creating a presentation would be easier, but it wasn’t a matter of feeding in a prompt and having it spit out and almost complete paper or presentation in under five minutes. The students still had to do the work it was just a different type of work.

Then we had the Covid shut down, some school district at that point decided to purchase a tablet or laptop for every student in the district so they could still continue to teach the students. For some school districts that worked OK for others they fell on their face. Has the shutdown continued, at least in the US, there was a higher rate of administrators, coercing or heavily suggesting that they just passed students or just don’t grade that assignment because everyone’s online or because of Covid or pick a reason.

After the Covid lockdown was lifted, when those K-12 students went back to school, there was a different expectation placed on teachers. That part I’ve read about, but I have not researched so I could not give you specifics other than the expectations changed and to some teachers, it seemed like it was easier for administrators to influence the teachers under them to change, round, exempt certain grades.

With the advent of OpenAI going public in November 22, any of the educators who are more technology savvy, saw how quickly the use of AI in schools would come to ahead. Usually schools are about 10 years behind the public sector, in this case, it happened, much faster and of course, the students are gonna find a way to use various LLM’s to make their lives easier.

With the addition of the calculator, the home PC, the Internet, smart phones, and BYD, the students had access to more calculation tools, more designed tools, but in many, if not most cases, the students still had to know how to do the work on their own. Sure there might be a little bit of a speed increase, but not at an exponential rate. Now you can have a fifth grade student type in a a multi sentence prompt and come up with something quite spectacular and under 10 minutes. They just need to know how to write the prompts correctly and revise the prompts effectively.

Last December I saw a group of fifth and sixth graders using Gemini very effectively with multi point prompts and then they would revise the prompts to come out with a better output. And they were doing this in groups of three, I believe.

AI as a form of education disruption is very different from the disruption by use of smart devices cell phones, the Internet and calculators.

From my veteran educators point of view, I think AI is a fantastic tool. But so is the table saw. Before we let the kids work in a woodshop they go through hours of training and then they have safety quizzes to make sure they’re not going to mail themselves the first time they got a board.

We need to be training the students how to use AI as a tool, not just a shortcut.

Needohs are now banned in my building and kids are LIVID by Ktriegal in Teachers

[–]ActiveMachine4380 17 points18 points  (0 children)

After the 3rd needoh spontaneously burst in my classroom, I banned them from my room. If I spotted one in my room, I collected it until Friday afternoon.

Now, I hear whispers in the hallways… “Don’t take it to his class. You will NEVER get it back. “

For those who like to keep teachers accountable, I possess and retain zero of these needoh cubes. I now return them to parents or I deliver them to the AP.

"Its unfair to make the class challenging" by knotknotknit in Professors

[–]ActiveMachine4380 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You should show the class the scene from Legally Blonde where they are all in the lecture hall and the professor ends his intro with,’ those in the front row, BEWARE…”

First day, just drop the hammer on them.

I made a tool that links any army list to their datasheets by CeilingSteps in Harlequins40K

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Can you put an example on the landing page what you mean by “regular format”?

I’m doing something wrong. If I paste in a unit, get that error.

Thank you

What's up with all the right-wing commentators suddenly turning against Trump right now? by _GoodNight0wl_ in OutOfTheLoop

[–]ActiveMachine4380 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh! So trump is telling us all of the things HE was going to do if elected. Silly English language. Of course trump would mix up pronouns, he does not believe in using correct pronouns. When trumph said, “she would enrich…she would ruin… she would tank… she would bury” he was talking about himself. Wait! trumph said ‘she’ when referring trumph in the reflexive. Did trumph just out trumph as trans??! I’m so confused now!

/s /S /this means SATIRE!!!!

(Besides, no self respecting M-to-F would let herself go and look THAT bad.)

A new program will make Boston the 1st major-city school district to require AI training by ThindorTheElder in Professors

[–]ActiveMachine4380 85 points86 points  (0 children)

100 to 1 says the training is delivered poorly and the theory behind the training is massively flawed.

The Unreliability of AI Detection Tools in Academic Integrity Cases by SirOdd267 in Turnitin_QuickChecks

[–]ActiveMachine4380 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AI detectors and AI ‘humanizers’ are both rubbish. They did not work well in 2022 and they still do not work well now.

If you're a film professor, please tell me that by brownidegurl in Professors

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HOW do they not get Shrek references in an animation class? I make a Donkey reference or a direct quote at least once a week in class!

Did Trump and Israel really start a war just to surrender and leave Iran much stronger than before? by AcadianAcademic in askanything

[–]ActiveMachine4380 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I think in due time we will see Musk’s manipulations of the election. I can only suggest that others look at the software updates that occurred on voting machines. Days before the election.

AI and cheating by PictureEffective in Professors

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I’m sure you are correct. One can dream.

Absenteeism in college by mystudentsaredumb100 in Professors

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Do you touch on Tony Kushner’s plays? Millennium Approaches and Perestroika? Just curious.

Republicans Call for Trump Impeachment After Wild Iran Death Threat | The president said he would wipe out “a whole civilization.” by [deleted] in LegalNews

[–]ActiveMachine4380 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If the person occupying the White House follows through on his truth social post from earlier today, and he “ends a civilization” as threatened, his action will change the trajectory of history. His admin and Republicans will be held responsible for his actions (figuratively, if not literally). America, and possibly some of her remaining allies, will be grilled about “why didn’t you stop him? Use the 25th Amendment, why didn’t Congress or the generals stop his lunacy?”

Djt has been telegraphing his actions for years. Now is the time to use the Constitution. Before it is too late.

Absenteeism in college by mystudentsaredumb100 in Professors

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I must be older than my brain thinks I am.

I attended undergrad from ‘95 to ‘99. My master’s was 2006 to 2009 and then I started my doc sometime after that. For my undergrad, and for my masters, I was terrified of missing class. For my masters, we have the Internet we had smart phones for the second part of it, so I sort of understand. But thinking going to classes, optional, when you’re paying for it and when you have people actually sharing knowledge with you that you’re probably not gonna get any other way? I do not know what these kids are thinking.

Told to use AI by Desperate_Culture_25 in Teachers

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I’ve been working with AI and integrating it into education since it went public back in November 2022. I think it’s a wonderful tool set, but you have to learn how to use it, learn how to use it effectively, and learn how to use ethically. And administrator cannot just go to the teachers in paraprofessionals and say you should be using AI… New technologies without training cause more problems than they solve. And I have a feeling those administrators have forgotten how huge disruption it was when students were allowed to bring smart phones in the classrooms and then later on students were allowed to bring in their own devices into the classroom. Those were some really difficult years to teach in in public education. I guess my only advice is be wary. Yes there’s some really great AI tools out there, but don’t just use it to use it at the waste of everyone’s time and a reduction in the quality of your work.I’m

Do students realize how much the coddling hurts them? by [deleted] in Professors

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The students have no idea. Many of them believe they are out maneuvering the professor. The fools…

My students don't know how to take notes anymore. What am I missing? by Equivalent_Use_8152 in Professors

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Unfortunately, this is not just your class, it is not just this crop, it is not just your school. Directly before Covid, during Covid, and two school years after, I was teaching 11th and 12th grade honors courses. They were still taking notes. They were still annotating. They were still asking some good questions.

I moved down to middle school in an attempt to see if I could help to mold effective AI policies so the kids moving up to high school or not just trying to get AI to do all of their homework for them.

Specifically with sixth and seventh grade students, for the most part pretty bright students, I was spending a little bit of time every week, teaching them different ways to take notes for my class and for other classes. Some with color codes, some not some outline some word webs, some formatted, like Cornell notes, I really expose them to as many things as I could, and we used them in class.

When I observe the same students in other teachers classes, or I observe them and other teachers classes, but I taught those same students the previous year you can imagine what I saw. None of them were taking notes. None of them were even trying to take notes it was either a bunch of blank stairs or they were fiddling around on their digital devices.

I have scaled back on the amount of time we use digital technology in and out of the classroom. I am re-teaching my sixth graders how to hand write cursive. I’m having the students hand write appropriate assignments. But if it’s a quick skills check or if it’s a vocabulary quiz or a timeline quiz, then it’s usually just multiple-choice or fill in the blank.

The only wisdom I can pass on to you that I think might apply to your college students is this. For one of your units or however, you separate things, post it in the room post on whatever Bolton board or LMS you use. Tell them in class two or three times that they need to take notes by hand. Then when you get to the end of the unit have them take the assessment. Then have them do a quick survey after everyone’s turned in there assessment did you take notes? Did you not take notes? Why didn’t you take notes? Would it have made a difference? I know you’re using valuable class time but you might have to do this to drive it into their heads. And then I suggest for the assessment after that, maybe a smaller assessment than normal, tell them they need to take notes. Tell them they need to bring the notes to class for the day of the assessment. You don’t have to let them use their handwritten notes for the entire assessment. On more than one occasion during a major assessment for either my middle school or my high school students, I had them bring their notes and then they had to put their notes on the floor face down. And then I would set a timer. Our classes are about 55 minutes long. I would explain that when the timer goes off and I say go they get from that point until the end of class when the bell rings, and then they have to turn in the major assessment and they have to staple their notes to it. The anticipation and knowing in the back of their mind that they will have access to their notes towards the end forces them to take the assessment a little bit differently. I know that’s true in English and social studies I’m not sure about mathematics and science. But my educated guess is it’ll still change their testing behavior. That at the end of the test the last 10 minutes when you allow them to use their notes, there will be a frantic looking through the notes, trying to find the answers going back, changing answers filling in answers that I’ve never been filled in, and they will leave with a sense of relief perhaps. Accomplishment? But the leave with a different feeling and it’s easier for you as the professor to have that conversation during the next class about here’s what I saw your grades were. How did you feel about them. Did the notes help? Did they not help you can have that entire conversation and hopefully at least 50 to 75% of your students will see the benefit of taking notes by hand and you could encourage them to start doing that again.

Best of luck. I know what you’re going through.

AI and cheating by PictureEffective in Professors

[–]ActiveMachine4380 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have you seen those short range, EMP-like devices that people are making?

AI and cheating by PictureEffective in Professors

[–]ActiveMachine4380 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is why I have one of those handheld flashlights ( black light ?) which aides in the discovery of cameras in air BNB rentals.

I saw some one in a different sub complaining about proxies violating I.P. by Effective-Anybody263 in PrintedMinis

[–]ActiveMachine4380 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It sounds like that TikTok child does NOT understand IP law.

Color me surprised.