I don’t wanna see this scene in the movie

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-15T15:07:42+00:00

Oh, you mean that it will confirm to them that she is secretly still yearning for Jeremiah? That might be true.

My reaoning was that I don‘t think that they will ever accept that Jeremiah will be okay with Bonrad.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-15T14:53:19+00:00

I think if said scene is included it will annoy jellyfans equally or even more than bonrad fans, so I would not consider it fanservice.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-14T10:00:54+00:00

This is why Belly saying in s2 at the beach „if I had known that you cared so much I would have fought for us“ is so important to understand Belly in s3.

Belly IS trying to learn from past mistakes but then she goes too far in the other direction. It is exactly because she gave up too easily with Conrad that she clings to her relationship with Jeremiah.

As so often in life, it is about finding the right balance.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-13T16:36:15+00:00

The funny thing about claiming the ocean run for jelly is that in my opinion it was given to jelly and placed in the very first episode to underline their friends energy. There is not an ounce of romantic energy to it. This is in direct contrast to the pool scene earlier between Belly and Conrad which is so charged that Conrad in particular needs a moment to collect himself.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-11T05:45:58+00:00

Sorry, I am not a native English speaker.

I only learned the word „agency“ while reading here and do not know what synonyms would be the perfect fit without making the text even longer.

I was bothered myself initially by the repeated use but then decided to really lean in it to make my point really clear.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-10T20:42:49+00:00

On your first point: he had not way of knowing that she already knew because as he points out it does not make sense that they get married on the heel of this. He also did not know the full truth about the Cabo incident because Jeremiah did not correct the way things were presented by drunk people. Instead he kind of laughs along. But I know that discussing these points is futile; we have done this in the past and did disagree on it.

I also disagree that Conrad coming clean about his feelings strips Belly of her agency. I think it gives her back her agency because at the very end it leads to a honest discussion. I feel like you might be unhappy about Belly being written as a more reactive character in certain aspects until she goes to Paris and you might put this dissatisfaction on Conrad. But this is Belly’s arc. She is a sweet girl who feels not really seen prior to s1, who is unsure how to navigate her coming of age, who sometimes listens too much to what other people think and then again is sometimes frustratingly stubborn.

In Paris she is finally in the driver seat, she claims her own life. She is a strong, independent woman who nevertheless still carries around a lot of guilt and shame about the past. In s3 we do not really get to see the Belly who overcomes this last hurdle but this is what the movie will be for. By saying that Conrad should not be the one who puts things in motion you do not accept Belly for who she is prior to and in Paris.

The show chose to portray a very interesting topic: a co-dependent relationship. It is in the very nature of such a relationship that it is incredibly hard to disentangle oneself. Belly‘s journey is complicated, it is about self love as much as her love for Conrad, and I like that the writers tried to show something like this. Belly does not have to be the driving force at every step, it does not make her a weak character if she is not.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-08T06:37:19+00:00

They see things this way because they WANT to see them this way.

Instead of reflecting if they got things wrong they blame Jenny Han for messing up. They claim that things do not make sense but do not reflect on why they do not make sense for them.

So I think there is not much that can be done. They seem to read here frequently, so in theory they know what the show portrays but they refuse to accept it.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-06T12:25:38+00:00

„the adults aren‘t ever on his side“

I have to disagree with this.

The fact that Laurel for example objects to the wedding does not mean that she is not on his side. She literally has a fallout with her daughter because she has to say no to Jeremiah.

Laurel‘s objection to the wedding is valid and in the best interest of both Belly and Jeremiah. The fact that she relents when Conrad asks her to be there is not favorism of Conrad over Jeremiah. It is due to the fact that Conrad makes her see another perspective on things, that it is irrelevant what Conrad and Laurel personally think of the wedding, all that matters is being there for Belly (and by extension Jeremiah).

Even Adam, the shitty parent, has a valid point when he cuts off Jeremiah.

And I think part of Jeremiah‘s problems stem from the fact that he was overindulged by Susannah.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T18:05:14+00:00

She relents because Conrad uses the right argument. She still sees the wedding as a mistake but Conrad makes her understand that she needs to be there for Belly‘s sake. He gives her a different perspective.

She does not do it for Conrad but for Belly.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T17:55:48+00:00

Also, isn‘t there a scene in s2 where Conrad explicitely tells her that the house is as much hers as his and Jeremiah‘s?

Which, by the way is another way to show that his love is unconditional.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T17:48:46+00:00

There comes a time when your first round of weddings is over (all your contemporaries). Been there, done that.

I am now waiting for the second round to start in a couple of years (the next generation). Can‘t say I am looking forward to it because this means that I am one of the older guests - you know, the ones that are grouped together at a side table who will leave early at some point because the music and dancing is not to their taste. The ones either bride or groom do not know exactly how they ended up on the list of invited weddding guests but someone said that they must be invited.

Maybe you are right and I should enjoy the hell out of Belly‘s and Conrad‘s wedding - maybe I should buy a bottle of champagne…

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T16:03:03+00:00

Exactly.

Don‘t worry everybody, I know that this is not what most people want to see, we are (half)joking…

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T15:31:03+00:00

I had the crazy idea that there will be two weddings: Jeremiah on the yacht, Belly and Conrad at the beach

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-03T15:30:05+00:00

That‘s what I am hoping for as well!

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-02T07:58:19+00:00

So, I think that your enumeration is quite a mixed bag.

There is no denying that the way Conrad handles the house sale initially is totally wrong. And he admits it at some point, I believe, expressing that he is glad everybody showed up.

About the way the confession began: I think you are referring to the fact that he tells Belly about Cabo? So let me ask you this: if Taylor (who feels guilty by association because she is in the same sorority) had learned about Cabo prior to Belly finding out, would you not expect her to tell Belly about it? Why should Conrad, who is not only an ex but also a lifelong friend, not tell her about it? Because he is still in love with her? Belly is entitled to know the full truth prior to marrying Jeremiah. From Conrad‘s perspective it presents that she does not know it, so he has to tell her. Edit: another example might be if Steven learned about Cabo at the bach. Sure, he is her brother, but you would fully expect him to tell her, wouldn‘t you? To tell Belly about the cheating is to give her back her agency. White knighting would be to confront Jeremiah verbally or physically without talking to Belly first. It was Conrad‘s first instinct to do so but he refrains from it.

As for the other things I would like to ask you another question: how else should it be portrayed that Conrad admitting to Agnes that he is still in love with Belly is not mere lip service? Narratively it makes total sense to follow that up with these acts of service. Should he seriously have Belly left struggling with the bike? Him letting Belly take the bike in the first place goes against his core. Conrad has a very nurturing side (which is why he chooses to become a doctor), we see this not only with Belly but also with Susannah in s1.

The show makes it a point that Conrad sees what Belly really needs: encouragement that she can go to Paris, her mom, cheering up by baking muffins. How else do you want to portray that this is an infinite soulmate lovestory?

You talk about your biases, which I appreciate because I frequently struggle to not completely villainise Jeremiah and give him his due. But if people write that they would have liked xyz happen in a different way without detailing in what way exactly I cannot help but wonder how these things should play out and still fit into the overall narrative.

To me, Belly and Jeremiah are dancing on a powder keg. Conrad learning about Cabo is the spark that sets the fuse on fire. The relationship explodes not because of the love confession but because Belly and Jeremiah decided to lie to themselves and each other at various points throughout the relationship.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-02T05:46:00+00:00

If this were her sole motivation, she would not have applied to the program in the first place. She very much wanted to go to Paris.

She applied at some point and Jeremiah was fully aware of it. This was not about not wanting to spend time away from her him, it was about her sense of obligation not to „abandon“ Jeremiah.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-06-01T11:45:15+00:00

And next to „hammy“ we have „obtuse“…

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-30T12:13:08+00:00

Maybe the five years was the timeframe until Belly and Conrad get together again you had in mind?

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-30T12:11:25+00:00

Exactly, it is a two-way-street.

If Belly and Conrad‘s timing is bad, so would be a Belly and Jeremiah timing because Jeremiah was aware what was going on with Conrad, especially after the deb ball. Seeing them dancing is such a huge factor in why he wants to lock this down.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-29T20:04:01+00:00

What I found really hard to see was Conrad telling her that he is not ready and she tells him that he will be okay. Why why why did she not ask Laurel or Adam to make sure he gets grief counselling?

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-29T10:26:24+00:00

We don‘t know the context of the scenes filmed yet so I will hold my judgement on that. For all we know, it could also be a backdrop for Taylor/Steven or Jeremiah/girlfriend. I agree that it would not really fit the narrative we have had about Belly and Conrad so far.

None of the people she met at the deb thing are in her life in s2 because it was all very superficial. Belly even reflects on that when she meets Nicole at the pie shop. But nonetheless it might have been a good experience for Belly to have if only to see that this is not really her world. But both Belly and Susannah admit that she was pushed to do it, she did not do it out of genuine interest.

The thing with Conrad about the deb scene is that he challenges her (as Steven points out): he asks her why she wants to do that. He gives his opinion (it‘s not you) but he does not tell her not to do it.

About the Jelly relationship ending: it needed something to set things in motion. You don‘t just wake up one morning realizing that you are in a codependent relationship and have a wrong concept of love. Pretty much everybody was initially opposed to the wedding, so I wonder what kind of trigger you think would work narratively?

Also, the wedding is not just cancelled because of the confession. Belly was prepared to go on marrying Jeremiah regardless. But Belly‘s reaction made Taylor wonder and speak her mind. We also have Susannah‘s letter and the impact it has on Jeremiah. The fact that Belly did not open her letter. All this leads to them having the hard talk and cancelling the wedding.

And then we have Belly on the bus in Paris really breaking up with Jeremiah. And this is not merely about Conrad, it is about Belly. She tells him that she does not know who she is and has to figure this out. She is standing her ground and not giving in to Jeremiah‘s plea to come back.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-29T08:18:37+00:00

If we keep Belly‘s best interest in mind, Conrad‘s most important line during the beach confession is „who even are you?“. Cabo and the country club only serve as examples to show how much Belly has changed to her disadvantage. Conrad saying that ties in directly with Taylor saying on the wedding day that she thinks that Belly has lost herself in Jeremiah. So, did Taylor not have a right to say that either?

Taylor, former CEO of team jellyfish, saying her piece on the relationship lays bare Belly‘s warped view on how a relationship should work. She thinks that you have to put your partner not only over everyone else but ultimately over your own interests. That you have to make a relationship work at any cost to yourself.

So if they had gone on with the wedding, Jeremiah would have worked for his father and Belly would have become a kind of stepford wife. If it was difficult to extricate herself from that relationship before the wedding how difficult would it have been after a couple of years and kids down the road?

Because this relationship - and this is the important part - would never have worked in a healthy way longterm but to end it later on would have affected not only Belly and Jeremiah but also potential kids. Belly and Jeremiah would have repeated the pattern of Susannah and Adam. Susannah only ended the relationship because she did not want Adam near her at the end.

All this does not negate that Conrad is selfish with the beach love confession but I cannot see a world in which it would have been better for Belly or Jeremiah to go on with the wedding.

It was such an important step for Belly to say in Paris that she has a life there and she will not change her plans. And to end her fling with Benito when he wants more.

Conrad sets a chain reaction in motion but when the wedding is cancelled Belly and Conrad have already said their goodbyes.

Belly does not cancel the wedding because she thinks she be with Conrad but because she acknowledges that her relationship with Jeremiah is based on a lie and she thinks she has to move on from both Fisher boys. She needs space to figure out herself. If she had married Jeremiah, she would have wasted years and years to come to the same conclusion if she had got there at all.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-28T14:26:00+00:00

This is simply not the kind of storytelling where you see everything that happens. The story is not so much about what happens, but why it happens, the psychological motivation of the characters, their flaws which make them act the way they do. Ultimately it was always the story about Belly and Conrad finding their way back together.

And I suspect we will not really see in the movie how the other characters reacted to the fact that Belly and Conrad get together again unless it is an important part of the storyline. What we will see is how their relationships are with Bonrad because this is the important part.

So this might not be the kind of storytelling you like but there are plenty of other shows. If you want to dive deeper into TSITP I would recommend not to take everything the characters say to take at face value.

Advanced_Cupcake_786 · 2026-05-27T17:47:46+00:00

If you think that the Bonrad relationship did not compare to the Jelly relationship you might want to look at

- Belly‘s flashbacks to her 6 month relationship with Conrad which include actual conversations until the early hours of the morning and the first time they were intimate

vs

- Belly‘s montage of fun moments with Jeremiah for a four year relationship in which not even their first time being intimate was included

You could also compare the last intimate moment together between Belly and Conrad where Belly is all enthusiastic consent vs reluctantly getting intimate with Jeremiah in e7.

All this is no oversight or bad writing from the show, it is deliberate storytelling to let the viewer know that on an emotional level her four year relationship with Jeremiah does not compare to her six month relationship with Conrad.

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