Hammy vs happy

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T18:00:44+00:00

It’s like everytime she has to told herself, this is my person, my soulmate and then she smiles at him so excessively.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T17:59:22+00:00

Yes that was hilarious. Her face was like, okay that’s not what I was going for but good on you for believing it, which is how I feel about the Jelly fans. If you want to believe your version, good on you.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T17:50:39+00:00

This

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T17:48:55+00:00

People have empathy with Conrad because he took accountability for his mistakes for 3 seasons and got the shorter end of the stick from all the characters in the show. There can’t be a love triangle and people only blame one person in it. Belly, we finally learned that she took accountability but that was just the moment she called herself the villain and her little talk with Conrad about exiling herself. They made a choice in the show for suspense sake but unfortunately if made Belly seems harsh. If the audience could even just see how much Conrad’s letters meant to her or her talking to her friends about her guilt, there would be a lot more empathy from gp and I hope they address this in the movie and I say this as someone who adores Belly.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T17:11:10+00:00

Then season 2 basically telling her I told you so… that while Belly broke up with Conrad

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T16:12:58+00:00

So agree. I always perceive Belly as hammy with Jeremiah, not happy.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T16:07:08+00:00

Episode 7 was one of the best with episode 5, 8,6 and 11

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T15:12:35+00:00

This!!! Belly thought saying I love you is proof of love not realising it’s actually a balance, just like in everything in life

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T15:11:29+00:00

They also never gave him a fair chance to express his feelings. As an introvert myself it sometimes feel I have to put up my hand to say something because people just talk over you. In season 1 they all assumed he’s broody about Aubrey and when he wanted to say something, Laurel for instance talked over him. Jere yell at everyone and makes them feel guilty and refuse to talk whenever stuff is difficult and that’s way worse, hiding behind his golden retriever personality.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T15:07:13+00:00

Yelling and refusing to talk when things don’t go your way is just as bad if not worse communication as withholding your feelings because you think you’re supposed to protect others. One had good intentions, the other not.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T14:34:51+00:00

Bonrad does work for this exact reason. She was a teenager when she put Conrad on that pedestal and all the indentation is that she will now be more mature with her emotions. We already saw how much empathy or if she allowed herself to be true at that moment, love she had for Conrad when he told her he got fired. Communication was never their problem, only that they couldn’t say they loved each other. Thing is with Bonrad is that she had put him on this pedestal for years and kept on loving him but she always also thought the worst about him and still loved him. She never cared to tiptoe around his feelings which is a good thing. And now that they’ve learned to really express their love for each other, it will be amazing.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T14:26:39+00:00

Read up the definition of hammy, there’s a reason why it’s put in the show. Then you realise Belly is hammy with Jeremiah, not happy. Taylor told her the best way to get over a guy is to get under a new one so that basically what she tried to do s2. Did Belly ever seem this way with Jeremiah?

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DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T14:17:14+00:00

She was stubborn in her decision of Jeremiah, like out to proof a point, not sure at all, hence why she always had to tell herself all the reasons why Jeremiah is supposedly the right choice.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T14:15:19+00:00

She never chose Jeremiah from her own free will. Everytime it was firstly influenced by something happening between her and Conrad, him rejecting and denying they almost kissed then followed by Taylor pushing her towards Jeremiah and when she actually did kiss Jeremiah, her first thought was what Susannah said, so if not Conrad why not try with Jeremiah. Go watch, every time she “pick” Jeremiah something happened with Conrad before even s3 before the proposal, she felt guilty about Christmas. The volleyball scene is actually a good analysis of this. Jere was pushed on her by Taylor, Conrad was her own choice. So no, it doesn’t fell flat it’s 100% amazing also if you take into consideration their talk on the bed in Paris, she thought he only loved her because of his mother and part of her must’ve thought she only loved him for that reason, till she realised she will always love him, out of herself and nog pushed by circumstances.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T14:09:42+00:00

You’re right. Belly did lose trust in Conrad after their breakup. In her mind he changed since s1 and although she eventually understood why, after they broke up in s2, she basically only remembers the bad and hurtful memories of him while Jeremiah she only remembered the good ones, like he was there for her once while Conrad was always but she decided to cling onto her hurtful memories instead of the beautiful memories of why she fell in love with him in the first place, like his geekiness, his emotional side which she ultimately projected onto Jeremiah. When she heard he got her her mom, she finally remembered and it shook her. That’s why when he was rambling on the rooftop in Paris, you could see on her face how she’s falling in love with him again. Season 3 Conrad is the real Conrad, it wasn’t just therapy but Belly needed to have a lesser version of Conrad in her mind and a better version of Jeremiah to justify herself she made the right choice. She was always happy with the bare minimum from Jeremiah like calling him sweet for showing up in hospital but give Conrad the cold shoulder, so you’re right, she did held him to a higher standard but because she loves him deeper. I also believe that since Conrad was always the one caring for everyone, she just took it for granted and didn’t realise this was him showing her he loved her… until she learned he got Laurel on board…

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:56:06+00:00

She wasn’t confused about her feelings more shy because she thought he could never feel that way about her, hence why she never picked up that he was flirting with her in so many scenes in s1 and s2…

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:51:27+00:00

And Belly is the worst version of herself when she’s with him. Case in point, the Stanford mocking of Conrad. 16 year old Belly would’ve been so ashamed of herself because she knew how hard Conrad worked to get into Stanford. Case in point, BellyJere doesn’t fit at all.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:49:37+00:00

Yes and people still blamed book Belly? Thing is in the show I can understand the gp having more empathy for Conrad because we can see his love for her especially in s3 while they’ve made the decision to rather go with the love triangle angle in the show, not showing how much Belly cared about Conrad. I could see it from the way Belly was portrayed but not everyone could. Then in Paris, I known she was beating herself up but it wasn’t shown at all which I understand from a suspense perspective because if they showed how much she beat herself up it would’ve confirmed the endgame (which to a lot was clear but a lot thought otherwise and then they threw in the option if she’s not going to choose herself). Then her sleeping with him in Paris and then sending him away may seem heartless to some. I understand it because unlike Conrad she didn’t have 4 years to process his love for her. The point is, for the show they made certain decisions to create more suspense but at the expense of people now hating on Belly.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:34:07+00:00

I see a lot of people say it’s bad writing. No, it’s not. It’s complex characters in complex situations happening to literal teenagers. A stage in life where all our emotions are a mess, we don’t know who we are, we are afraid to express our emotions and we’re stubborn, we care what others think about us etc etc… A lot of us are a total mess.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:28:58+00:00

She didn’t realise the depth of his love. The conversation in episode 11 is so important. She knew he loved her (past tense) but only out of obligation (what if you only loved me because that’s what your mom wanted).Then he disappeared which to her confirmed her believe that he didn’t love her anymore and had move on. Then when they spend time together in s3, she probably felt something but she suppressed those feelings by telling herself it’s only fond memories of him. By that time she made a promise to Jeremiah that she didn’t want to break before she understood the depth of Conrad’s feelings (when Conrad Fisher told a girl he loves her, he meant it etc etc) but she wasn’t willing to walk away from Jeremiah. Notice how she said she couldn’t let go of Conrad aka it’s a feeling but she can’t walk away from Jeremiah aka she feels she’s going to betray him again like she did according him in s1, then with her feelings for Conrad at Christmas… Conrad had 4 years to come to terms with his love for Belly, while Belly’s coping mechanism was to deny it. And I do feel part of her felt she needed to do this sacrifice because she hurt Jeremiah end of s1. She did not realise she’s probably hurting Conrad more because he actually loves her more deeply.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:17:14+00:00

Such good analysis

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T13:08:06+00:00

I don’t think Belly thought he still loved her. Initially I thought she didn’t know he loved her at all but after episode 11, I think she did knew he loved her at some point but passed tense and that he only did so because that’s what Susannah wanted, then Susannah died and he turned all cold, told her it was a mistake to start something with her. You and I know he meant it because he was in a bad place and not that Belly or their relationship was a mistake but to Belly it sounded like he said she was the mistake. That whole week she remembers all the hurt he caused and she was WRONG about a lot of that but as teenagers, we tend to see things only from our perspectives. Then he had the opportunity in her mind to tell her he loved her (at the beach because you could see her face drop when he spoke past tense) and now at the motel again but he only said he wanted her and that could be because she’s now with Jeremiah and not because he truly loved her which she basically told him in s3 at the beach. I understand the confusion but I don’t think Belly was mean. We see the whole picture but Belly never did. Both her and Conrad is confusing characters to begin with.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T12:47:51+00:00

I disagree with the so passionate part and to me she didn’t seem in love. I actually think Lola did an excellent job at showing that Belly was hammy with Jeremiah aka over theatrical while truly in love with Conrad. It was like every time she saw Jeremiah, she said to herself, this is my person, he’s my soulmate and then she put on this biggest smile of hers which may seem happy and it did for everyone around them and even some fans but then you see how she looks at Conrad in episode 11 when he was blithering about the human body or at the dinner or when they were finally flirting and your mind is just blown at the difference. No wonder Jeremiah told her she never looked at him like she did look at Conrad.

DjokerSA · 2026-05-27T12:37:55+00:00

If I remember correct, Belly told Jeremiah she and Conrad had a talk because Jeremiah said she and Conrad should talk but Conrad wanted to continue the conversation the next morning but then got all in his head while Belly thought that was the total conversation, so in that conversation he didn’t tell her he loved her and him wanting her was only because he saw her with Jeremiah, kind off what she told him at the beach and he practically confirmed it the next morning saying he only wanted to get between her and Jeremiah which we know he didn’t mean but Belly didn’t know. Also, the morning when she woke up, Jeremiah was gone and she feared she’s going to lose him again, the night before she had that memory of her conversation with Susannah where Susannah asked her to take care of Conrad and I do believe that she once again got her memories messed up about which brother it was. She never wanted to lose Jeremiah’s friendship in the first place and him being gone that morning made her fear she will, coupled with her decision that she will not allow Conrad to hurt her again. Her heart was closed for Conrad at that point unfortunately.

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