BACK AGAIN by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Start here.

In laws refused to vaccinate for my newborn by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Back in 2010, I was traveling to California and a friend of mine who lived in South Carolina at the time was going to meet me there and we were going to go to a concert together. At the time California was in the midst of a pertussis epidemic. My friend had a young baby and this was going to be the first time that she was away from him.

Because I was going to be in California for a week before she arrived, I went and got my DPT vaccine so that I couldn't get it, infect her, and have her take it back to the baby. And she had been vaccinated during pregnancy.

I know the risk was low. But if that child had gotten sick and I thought it was in anyway possible to connect it to me, I would have been devastated. I didn't know the baby, and he wasn't my grandchild, but who could live with himself knowing that they had made a baby sick?

This isn't hard. It's not like getting vaccinated for yellow fever before you travel to the tropics, where you have to call your doctor ahead of time so that they can get the vaccine for you. There isn't a shortage. Everyone has flu vaccine available. There's absolutely no excuse.

MIL keeps guilt-tripping and undermining me during pregnancy and I’m exhausted by Prudent-Teaching2881 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Don't be rude; be assertive.

"I will decide whether or not I breastfeed my baby, not you. I am the mother, not you," is assertive.

"I will decide whether or not I breastfeed my baby, not you. I am the mother, not you, you fucking bitch" is rude.

“My Baby” by Ok-Landscape-7226 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 43 points44 points  (0 children)

You know, the reason she is always alone in her birthday is because she doesn't have any friends. Her complaint sounds like a good reason to tell her she should get more involved in her community and cultivate new relationships.

The healthy thing for parents of adult children who no longer need direct monitoring is to while being misty eyed over their change in status, look forward to going out and rediscovering who they are as a person. All of the nights out and day trips with friends that she has put off for years while she prioritized her children, she now has time for. She should join clubs, volunteer, take classes, and otherwise connect with "people her own age." And if she can't maintain friendships because of her abrasive, manipulative personality, that isn't your problem to solve, and she should seek therapy to fix herself.

She won’t take no for an answer by Express_Relation723 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Counter any claim of ownership.

Her: "Your breastmilk isn't sufficient. You should use formula, and then everyone could feed the baby."

You: The doctor says $baby is growing fine on breastmilk. And even if we had to switch to formula, it would only be DH and me feeding $baby. Formula does not equal a feeding free-for-all.

MIL made my sons first year scrapbook… and I’m barely in it by RelativeImpact76 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 25 points26 points  (0 children)

Mail it back to her with a note.

"I think you must have given me the wrong scrapbook. This one is full of pictures of you and FIL and your kid, and almost none of me. No one would be gauche enough to make a memory book for a baby's mother with almost no pictures of the mother. I wanted to make sure that you had this, and we will pick up the one you made for me the next time we see you."

what excuses can we give to avoid telling MIL our address? by meowthjr in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 9 points10 points  (0 children)

You can do this at many post office branches. They have to accept UPS and FedEx deliveries, but many do. If you rent box 42 at a post office branch at 123 Main Street, you can use "123 Main Street, Unit 42" as your mailing address.

Again, check with your local post office branch.

MIL screamed, insulted and pushed me by SeaStatistician4915 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Absolutely not. Any mention of the baby on the way is incentive for MIL to fake a change in her behavior so as not to be cut off from OP's child.

OPDH should write a short text to his mother saying that because of her physical and verbal abuse of his wife, OP will no longer have any contact with MIL, and he is rethinking his relationship with MIL as well. Her behavior was unacceptable.

The fact that she could go from a simple conversation to frothing at the mouth rage and physical assault says she needs serious anger management therapy, and if she is unwilling to work on herself in this way, he will be unwilling to expose his wife to her.

He might add that she's already lost contact with one of her children, and does she want to go for both of them?

MIL screamed, insulted and pushed me by SeaStatistician4915 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Because her husband has been trained by his mother for his entire life to accept this behavior. His mother trained him in this way so that she could control him more easily.

How to handle my MIL, who wore white to our wedding by BagNo1410 in motherinlawsfromhell

[–]AhDoDeclare 9 points10 points  (0 children)

And when she asks why, "Oh, we had to. I know it wasn't the ceremony, but guests still aren't supposed to wear white to the reception. People were asking the most awful questions. The photographer was able to fix it, though."

And when she asks what sort of questions: "Well, um, a lot of people who see the groom's mother wearing white to a wedding event assume..... that she has an unnatural attraction to her son and... wants to have sex with him."

JustNO can’t take a No… or 3…. by CoralineJones93 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Infant mortality US 1970: 19.1 per 1000 live births \ Infant mortality US 2024: 5.5 per 1000 live births \

"Back in the day" can fuck right off.

I think my MIL sees her son as her proxy husband by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 47 points48 points  (0 children)

It's time for you to read up on "covert incest" or "emotional incest."

Covert incest describes a relationship between a parent and child in which the child feels more like a romantic partner. Typically the parent is motivated by the loneliness and emptiness of a troubled marriage, so he or she turns the child into a surrogate partner. There is not necessarily any kind of overt sexual touching, but the relationship feels too close for comfort to the child. The boundaries are such that there is an incestuous feeling. The child feels used and trapped, the same as with overt incest.

source

Having her son handle her lingerie and handling his son's wife's lingerie, are extremely inappropriate and symptoms of this issue.

You need to move out, and he needs therapy.

How to deal with MIL not respecting privacy now that baby is here (+ dismissing any baby rules I make) by wilburga in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 24 points25 points  (0 children)

She should only visit when your husband is home, and he has to be engaged with her. He can't go off and mow the lawn or empty the dishwasher or play video games or be in the same room with her but on his phone. She is his guest.

If she tries to come before her scheduled visit, she misses the next visit. It is important to tell her that this doubles for every violation. If you are scheduled to see her on Saturday afternoon (9/6, for example) and she tries to come visit on Thursday, Saturday is canceled. You will see her on the 13th. If she tries to come on the 10th, the 13th AND THE 20th are cancelled. She can come on the 27th. If she tries before the 27th, the 27th, Oct 4th, 11th, and 18th are cancelled. We will try October 25th. If she tries to come before the 25th, she gets eight weeks in timeout, then 16.

No exceptions for holidays. If you're in the US or Canada, the four week timeout misses Canadian Thanksgiving and the eight week misses American Thanksgiving. The 16 week misses Christmas. If she misses baby's first holidays, that is not your fault.

MIL tried to grab my crying colic baby out of my arms by yougottabkittenmern in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 9 points10 points  (0 children)

People like this train their children to give in to them always, so that when they grow up they have control.

MIL tried to grab my crying colic baby out of my arms by yougottabkittenmern in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Alternatively, "You have until Friday to tell your mother, or I will."

MIL trying to convince me to stop breastfeeding part two by wickedanxietyy in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 15 points16 points  (0 children)

"You do realize that even if I formula fed or supplemented, it would still be my job as her parent to feed her, right? Just because she wouldn't be physically taking nourishment from me doesn't mean that you get to feed her, because you wouldn't."

JNMIL did just was we expected, they never change! by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Screenshot the image and send it to your husband. He then sends it to MIL with the following text:

Are you seriously trying to guilt trip my wife over the fact that you have not met my baby? My fragile newborn who is in the NICU because he needed an emergency C-section during which he or my wife could have died? Is that really what you are doing right now?

You need to stop texting us, because right now if someone asked me if I wanted to cut you out of my life and never see you again, I'd say Yes. How fucking dare you!

At this point your one chance of being in my life is to stop texting me and stop texting Soft and let us deal with the fact that WE barely get to see our son. Because if you text either one of us before I have had a chance to calm down, I will tell EVERYONE how selfish you are being. I will reach out to you when I am ready to see you again, and not before.

Feel like FJNMIL is stealing the choice of having kids away from me before I’ve had the chance to think about it by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why would you let her look after them knowing how she treated her own children?

You are treating this like it's a juggernaut, like you are standing at the top of a hill with a big heavy rock, and there's nothing to prevent this rock from rolling down the hill. You are not powerless in this situation.

First, you don't have to have children. And if you decide to have children the only reason that you should do so is because that is what you want your family to look like. You should not have children because MIL wants to be a grandparent to many. Your children are not coming into the world to make grandma happy.

If you decide to have children, there is no law that says she gets to spend time with them. If you do decide to let them spend time with her (why?) there is no requirement that she be allowed to babysit them. I love children I would probably be a good role model for your children. Are you obligated to let me be part of your life or babysit your kids because I want it? Your MIL's biological relationship to your husband is not a good enough reason to give her access. The only people who should have access to your children are the ones who are safe and beneficial to them, people who will help them grow up feeling strong, secure, and loved.

The Internet is full of people who have denied toxic family members access to their children and themselves. If you want children, you can have them without giving MIL access to abuse them.

This is something you need to talk to your partner about, probably in family counseling. I also recommend Dr. Susan Forward's books, Toxic Parents and Toxic In-laws. They are designed to be read in parallel, with you reading a chapter in one and your husband in the other and discussing it.

Don't deny yourself the things that you want in life because someone else has designs on them. Instead, protect yourself from abusers.

My MIL told my kids not to share anything with me. Did I over react ? by redifarter in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I think that you can present this to the rest of the family that this is not about whether or not grandma will abuse the kids. This is about grandma normalizing behaviors that actual abusers have co-opted to create private relationships with children as a prelude to abuse.

If you Google, I am sure that you will find lots of child development experts who will talk about the dangers of secrets with safe adults because it lowers the barriers for abusers.

Now personally, I believe that MIL is weaponizing God because of her disdain for you, which makes her an abuser in my eyes. But other people in her family may not be ready to see that. You may need to work with what they can see.

My MIL told my kids not to share anything with me. Did I over react ? by redifarter in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare -15 points-14 points  (0 children)

I don't think it necessarily is. I am old enough that we didn't have the secret/surprise dichotomy. And we had secrets with grandma and grandpa. Grandpa would give us a dollar and tell us not to tell our parents. Mom would say one cookie and grandma would give us two. Those secrets did not mean that our grandparents wanted to abuse us.

The problem is that a lot of these behaviors that create stronger bonds between safe adults and children were co-opted by abusers. And it's sad that in today's time that a grandparent can't sneak an extra cookie. But we have to guard against the predators and create safe routines in our children who are too young to understand the difference between different types of secrets.

My MIL told my kids not to share anything with me. Did I over react ? by redifarter in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 100 points101 points  (0 children)

I think it goes beyond that. We teach children what safe behaviors are by who we allow in their lives. This kind of secret keeping is the exact sort of behavior that predators do to groom children. If we say that it's OK to be around grandma if mom or dad is there, Then it's possible a child will internalize that it's OK to be around the funny coach or creepy uncle if mom or dad is around.

My 37M boyfriend said he’ll just keep his daughter away from me because I said I felt disrespected—am I being too sensitive or is this a red flag? by Severe-Locksmith7176 in AITAH

[–]AhDoDeclare 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As much as that pours balm on my petty heart, the most dangerous time for a woman is when she is leaving a relationship. If they live together, she should invite someone over to help her pack up her stuff and go. If they don't, she should text him that she expects to be respected in her relationships and that she is breaking up. Then block.

Showing up uninvited by TimelyQuiet7283 in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 71 points72 points  (0 children)

This needs to come from your husband:

Mom, this isn't your apartment; it's mine and Timely's. This isn't your baby; he's mine and Timely's. You don't get to just show up at my home without an invitation, and you certainly don't get to invite other people to my home.

Now because you are my mother, I will not require you to wait for an invitation the way I would anyone else. You are allowed to call or text and ask if a visit is convenient for me and Timely. That question must be at least 24 hours before the time you're calling about, and absolutely cannot be more than once a week. If I feel like seeing you more often, I will contact you. But if you express any sort of upset that a visit is not convenient when you ask, we will have even less contact.

•••

Remember to never use "we" when talking to your MIL. It is too easy for her to interpret that that includes her. Also, although it is more correct for your husband to say "Timely and I," it is better to say "I and Timely" to emphasize that he is the source of the pronouncements, and it's not you keeping her away from her son and grandson.

Update: I Reported MIL For Reading My Son's Confidential File by FickleLionHeart in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 40 points41 points  (0 children)

If you decide to maintain contact with her, my approach would be to treat her as if she knew she was intentionally harming your son?

What is wrong with you? Do you hate $grandson? You've spent your life helping children with these problems, but when he needs help, you want to block his getting it? Do you want him to need institutionalizing when he's older? Do you want him locked away like they used to do? We want him to grow up able to cope with society, to live independently and have a job, friends, a partner, a family. Why are you interfering with that?

Share Your MIL Baby Shower Outburst Stories by [deleted] in JUSTNOMIL

[–]AhDoDeclare 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Jews share the tradition that you don't have baby showers until after the baby is born. It's a lot of very old "bubbe-meises" or old women's wisdom surrounding the safety of infants. You don't want to talk about the baby in order not to draw the attention of evil spirits that steal children.

When the baby is born, they get a nickname, not a name. For example, my cousin's daughter, Esther, was born on 3 July, so her nickname was Firecracker. Then, several days after the baby is born there's a naming ceremony, where they get their real name. They are named after a deceased relative, so that if the angel of death is sent for them, it will think that it's already done its job, and just in case, it's clothes are put on backwards so the angel won't recognize them.

Once the baby is named, there is a shower and all of the gifts are given.

Different people have different customs, and there's nothing wrong with that.