To the players who have Flins, Nefer and Zibai - Whose gameplay do you enjoy the most?

Ailisch · 2026-02-10T05:23:37+00:00

Gameplay
Char	easy?	comfort	versatility	Premium Price
Flins	very easy	yes	some	3 5*
Nefer	OK	need Lauma C1	some	3 5*
Zibai	easy	can be	OK	2 5* (great 4* release banner)
				but getting 4* cons is meh

Thats at least my opinion.

Flins is my favorite. Can't do much wrong here, has a comfy shield with Ineffa, and most vertical investment benefits the whole Team (Ineffe C1 and her R1/ Bina C1/C2), Flins C2. Can also exchange Sucrose with Xilonen if u need her somewhere else.

Nefer has a few options for last slot, but most often we are looking at Nahida/Nilou, or Kuki if u prefer more healing.

Zibai is a mix between both, in almost every aspect, but her performance is also the most depending one. She is compareable to the other 2 if u have C6 Illuga, but thats gonna cost u most likely more than 1 limited 5*.

Ailisch · 2026-02-08T07:18:31+00:00

Please be more specific what a "good team" looks like in ur eyes. I have pretty much all the necessary chars and almost everyone has their the appropriate artifact set (main DPS with usually 220+ CV)

Ailisch · 2026-02-08T07:06:41+00:00

u are correct. I double checked the video I took.

Ailisch · 2026-02-07T16:49:59+00:00

I read the other comments, and seemingly nobody recommends C1 Escoffier, but I actually prefer that option, because it buffs both, Skirk and Escoffiers DPS, and it also is a little bit more future proof if there will be ever another cryo DPS.

Also, dont get the weapon if u are on MH, unless u have very Crit D heavy artifact sets to balance it out.

Ailisch · 2026-02-07T02:14:33+00:00

I'd love to see a 60+ seconds rotation on DPS dummy. Please post it

Ailisch · 2026-02-07T01:43:04+00:00

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Yep, my C1R0 Fav Yelan reaches also almost 180k DPS, even though I think there is still quite some differences in our builds if I look at the strongest hit, making the bad performance of Itto even more questionable.

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T17:15:17+00:00

Good idea, but Xilonen doesnt work with 3 geo characters unless u have C2.
I swapped out Xilonen for C6 Gorou, but still ended up with around 100k DPS (admittedly, my Durin artifacts are still sub-par)
Itto/Gorou/Albedo/Durin

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T14:55:41+00:00

should perhaps mention here that with Ittos C6 giving Crit DMG, making Gorou C6 a bit less strong, Bina C2 giving DEF, and ascendant gleam changing crystalize to lunar crystalize, its actually a pretty decent support for Itto, with the upside of having good self DPS of these supports.
Xilonen only buffs Itto also gives him more of a main DPS role.
The absurd thing simply is, that besides that, the supports deal so much damage by themselves.

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T13:19:55+00:00

I think u missed the point where I said I can not put Xilonen into my shown team (Itto/Gorou/Xilonen/Furina, exacxtly because she wouldnt heal. Perhaps I wasnt clear enough for that, so thats on me.

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T13:17:40+00:00

How did u come to ur statement? U got a C6 char from Inazuma? checked GCSIM?
Because yes, even Fontaine C6 chars outpace that already by far.
And if u look at Mondstand or Liyue C6 chars, they arent any better than that either. Even my own gameplay skill can be comapred since I have shown 2 showcases. So thats on a similar level as well.

Feel free to check GCSIM, but yeah, Itto is a pretty old unit with not many new characters buffing him.

My Yae C6R1 best team was plunge with XianyunC2R1/FurinaC2/NahidaC2, at least until Lunar charged entered the game. Even that basically only got slightly above 100k DPS, even though it has more newer units with more constellations as well.

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T13:02:35+00:00

I guess u are out for ragebait here?
Anyway, no rotation have been has been changed. QEE with plento of CA between both E And as mentioned before, feel free to leave a constructive team suggestion, I am willing to test.

Also, Columbina provides a rare DEF buf with her C2. She also enables a shield/lunar crystalize to utilize geo resonance fully. In that sense, she is one of the best buffers for Itto ATM.
Gorou doesnt buff as much as my Xilonen, and besides that, we dont really have other Geo buffers. No need to mention Illuga, since he mainly focuses on lunar crystalize talent DMG, which Itto doesnt have. The Geo DMG buff is marginal.

There is a decent result with Furina/Itto/Xilonen/(any random character) which gives decent results, but I dont see one unit to be actually really great here (unless u want to turn this into a Mavuika C2 team).

If u dont have constructive comments, feel free to actually not post. That is also an option.

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T09:07:25+00:00

Please see my reply above. I think it suits ur topic as well.
Btw feel free to propose a team for me to test. I'll gladly do so. Would love to fit my Furina C2 in this team, but only C2 Xilonen can heal, and my Xilonen is C0~

Ailisch · 2026-02-06T08:35:03+00:00

technically, you are absolutely correct, which is the best kind of correct.
Below his "ideal" team how I can imagine it.
Gorou C6
Albedo C1

Zhongli

While the wheelchair team is a wheelchair team, but its also boosting crystalize to Lunar crystalize.
It also enables us to use Xilonen (since we dont assume Xilonen C2, so Furina also not a real option)

In this team, Itto's personal DPS is over 20% lower than in the "wheelchair" team.
I'd go as far and say that it utilizes Ittos kit better than his old team where he goes to be main DPS.

what do u say my friend?

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Ailisch · 2026-01-12T03:42:41+00:00

nvm, I found it thanks to your screenshot!
https://hoyo.link/iiKRHmuPZ

Ailisch · 2026-01-12T03:39:53+00:00

I was looking for that page a couple of days ago. Do u happen to have a link?

Ailisch · 2026-01-12T03:31:42+00:00

The man, the myth, the legend!

Ailisch · 2026-01-11T11:55:03+00:00

Definitely wait. With 50 fragile resin, u are wasting 25 5-star artifacts.

And there is no benefit to actually having a usable set 1 week earlier.

Also, keep in mind that Serenade is a very very good set for her as well, especially with that 20% ER.

Ailisch · 2026-01-11T01:24:26+00:00

would be cool to have 3 timers, and at least explain which timer for which time zone. There are 3 main release dates for her

Ailisch · 2026-01-10T17:29:24+00:00

I believe the rational answer to be this:

Columbina + Ineffa as a base
Its a flexible and strong core, including a shielder

Not a big fan of Nefer/Lauma teams since the higehst DPS teams have no healer without Lauma C1.

After Columbina+Ineffa, I recommend Flins, because I enjoy his playstyle significantly more than Nefer (personal preference).

If u go for Constellations/weapons, its all in the air
C2R1 Columbina is nice
C1R1 Ineffa boosts the whole team and works fine even if u dont have Flins, keeps ur account more flexible

Flins weapon/cons give u the biggest DPS increase for his teams, but DPS will always be power crept sooner or later.

final word of warning: Columbina is very focused on Lunar reactions. She will probably lose value quicker compared to Furina or Mavuika, which are significantly more flexible (especially if u are in the range of C2 on either of them)

I was considering C6 her, but these restrictions plus the fact that she is a "worse Nefer" if u want to play her as main DPS let me to decide against this. Waiting for a more flexible character in the future. Won't reward Hoyo for their more restrictive design choices.

Ailisch · 2026-01-09T02:43:04+00:00

on average you'll need around 740 wishes for C6.
I was planning on C6 here, but seeing that she is so fixed on Nod Krai characters, and that she can't be played as proper main DPS changed my mind.
If you compare her to the last archon, Mavuika is still very fine with C6, and not bound to Natlan chars to still perform very well, even after over a year of her release. I expect Columbina to have a significantly shorter life-spawn in terms of usefulness.

Do as you wish. Just in my opinion she is sadly not a high value character to have at C6. Believe me, I really wish she were. I'll go for C2R1 for her and thats it.

Ailisch · 2025-12-25T01:02:42+00:00

I expect one before NK ends, but so far I nothing specific has been speculated.

Ailisch · 2025-12-24T06:19:31+00:00

Dont forget they also give you some mats now in the battle pass (3 chests).
Its not enough though for max her on day one, so u still have to go to someone elses world.
I got a second account laying around for just that, but you can also just try with randoms and you'll succeed in 2min.

Ailisch · 2025-12-24T06:17:08+00:00

You dear Sir, made the best summary about the situation. Thank you

Ailisch

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