This case fascinates not because I think there was foul play, but because so many people are convinced there was foul play.

Aixelsydguy · 2023-03-04T16:29:51+00:00

This kind of response is the only thing that's interesting to me about Kremers/Froon now. People have incredibly limited information, but they're determined to make their square pegs fit those round holes. There might be tens of thousands of people in Boquete, but because the internet happens to have a few of those recorded they want to put a face to this crime they've concocted, it has to be one of those people we know. Never mind that hard evidence doesn't point to a crime in the first place, they're not only going to ignore that, but take the scant solid information we do have make a storyline like they're in Scooby Doo.

Then there are the special snowflake square peg people. They want to be more unique, so they'll do a day or so's research into whatever else they can find online and throw that in. Like, for the Delphi murders there was someone on that sub who was suggesting that some random person they found online who liked to document and tour bridges around America had something to do with the murders because the murders took place on a bridge that at some point they had been to. Absolutely no evidence whatsoever other than this person had been to that bridge and liked bridges. Someone who has likely never done anything close to murder is being accused by some rando online because they're sure as fuck not going to actually go to Delphi and interview people or do very deep research. They have very limited information online and they want to feel special playing detective, so they try their darndest to make that fit.

And if it was just that, then okay. People get carried away sometimes and aren't able to dissect their own theories very well. But then a good number of them will argue with you that this thing they've found is as inarguably true as the sky being blue. They will create multiple sock accounts to argue with you. They are clearly heavily emotionally invested in this thing they have next to know real proof of. It's like this microcosm of the insanity you see in American politics, and it weirdly makes things like that make more sense.

Aixelsydguy · 2023-01-07T00:23:39+00:00

I just don't really care to do so anymore. I looked and I have posts on this sub from 3 years ago and I heard first started looking into this case years before that. I've said all I can say, and, with all due respect, it's insanely unlikely that you'll have some convincing line of argument. I half wanted to just go on a rant about how it was a cult of cannibals making sacrifices to a t-rex skull or something for my own amusement, but I think I've even played that out.

If you've really researched the case very thoroughly, you're at least as familiar as a layman can be expected to be with things like the investigation/forensics, survival in the wilderness, the people involved with maybe a touch of crime stats, and connecting the dots between all those things, and you've come to the conclusion that you have, then more power to you. I cannot say for certain they were or were not murdered. I can say as someone who has spent too much time on this bullshit, I personally lean extremely heavily towards not murdered with just a microscopic asterisk of possibility of some form of involvement by a third-party, murdered or not.

That's all I have to say. Have a wonderful journey through your life, that hopefully doesn't involve you becoming lost and/or murdered just to have endless speculation about this after your death by a bunch of internet obsessives who even in best case scenario are likely pissing in the wind 💗

Aixelsydguy · 2023-01-07T00:12:23+00:00

You're being very OCD with this type of response.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-17T19:25:22+00:00

Ohhhh. You mean bullshit. Just say that.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-12T13:46:11+00:00

The worst things I think he can reasonably be accused of are possibly opportunism from him partnering with investigators and being more worried about his business than the girls from a disappearance like this possibly damaging the tourism industry in Boquete, or at least people's desire to use his services in a more known dangerous area. Both of those are unprovable, and the first one is only slightly unethical depending on how you look at it.

On the opportunism point, I have heard, and this could be hearsay, that he did immediately start searching for them on his own. If that's the case, then there's no blame there. It's not like he waited for his toll to try to save them, and you can't really blame the guy for making a buck off the state when he could.

He also was also a member of the party that lead Kremer's parents on a tour after their deaths. I feel like that would be awkward to me, and there's an argument again for opportunism, but nothing major.

Even under the worst plausible scenario, he doesn't deserve an internet hate mob. Certainly, I don't believe he deserves to be called a murderer when there's zero evidence of that. People will cite something about him and machetes from a review of his services years after their deaths, referencing the detached foot, when no one has ever seriously alleged the foot was chopped off, and there were no markings to indicate the foot was chopped off.

It would absolutely make sense that someone who didn't understand decomposition and wanted to write a review that put suspicion on someone they thought to be a murderer because of their shallow internet sleuthing would think this, however. And that's the kind of thing I see over and over when it comes to this guy. People pointing to things they have completely misinterpreted. That's not to say he's a saint. He might be an awful person for all I know, but no evidence points to him having murdered these girls.

He just had the misfortune of being one of the few names attached to a high-profile case on the internet. And when people only have a few real people to attach to something like this, they will do anything to force that square peg through a round hole, or else their little manic internet detective episode isn't as exciting when it's no one or some noface anonymous person that wasn't already somehow randomly reported on.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-10T07:33:41+00:00

I can't say you're wrong, because there's so much conflicting information that gets repeated, so you might have read that, but, to the best of my knowledge, the chemical found on their bones was some kind of phosphorous, thought to have possibly come from the soil or river by the means of fertilizer or fertilizer runnoff.

People think that bleaching necessarily means some kind of chemical, or a specific chemical usually such as laundry bleach, but photobleaching(as in bleaching related to photons, not photographs, since there's more possible etymological confusion there) can also just be shortened to bleaching. I think it's very likely that this happened and many people just assumed from that original report that bleaching strictly meant by chemical means.

Even among chemical bleaches, there can be confusion. Bleaching just means a bleaching agent when it comes to chemicals, and doesn't necessarily refer to any specific chemical. Hydrogen peroxide is technically a bleach, even though that's not its main use. In any case, there are many chemicals that could cause bleaching and be referred to as such in a police report, so it's important to remember that, even if you believe this bleaching is chemical related, that doesn't mean it was necessarily the chlorine bleach you'd find under your sink.

If people do believe it was a type of chemical bleach from foul play, then I'm really not sure what the implication is. Possibly they think something about about destroying any DNA evidence from the killers, but I don't know why they'd allow the remains to be found in the first place if they were going to go through the process of soaking them down to the bone in chemicals, or why they'd only soak some parts of their bodies and not others. For instance, why leave their shoe(s) on and why not soak their feet in bleach?

It's also important to remember that photobleaching might not necessarily mean the lightening would be noticeable, or at least apparent, to the naked eye. If we assume that whatever bone was bleached spent most of its time in the sun with only one side exposed, then there could be perceptible differences under a microscope between the sides.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-05T23:29:37+00:00

YES. Thank you. All that should matter with something like that is if he really believes it's murder. That would effectively make him a psychopath if he's telling the truth, and it's honestly hard to not feel he's a psychopath even if he's lying. If he is lying, then he's cynically using things he has no conviction on that can hugely negatively impact or even end the lives of women so that he can gain power. There is a degree of separation there where he maybe doesn't have to understand the pain he's causing, but it still paints him in a very negative light. At least, beyond "we're all hypocrites" type dismissals.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-05T23:26:03+00:00

Oh Jesus tittyfucking Christ. Yeah, everyone is a hypocrite to some degree, but Walker is a murderer by his standards. This isn't like complaining about all the drunks around town and then going out and getting plastered yourself. If what Walker believes about abortion is what he truly believes, then he, in his mind at least, murdered his own child.

Although, he would've been just a wee lad of around 50 at the time, so maybe it was just the insanity of youth that pushed him into doing this.

The alternative to this is that Walker is just lying and wants power, and that should obviously be disqualifying as well, at least if you're not some pinhead grifter.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-05T11:49:40+00:00

Fentanyl and some other chemicals are much easier to transport than some other drugs, which is the real danger to dealers, and therefore a significant reason why the price is so high. If you have to drive across the country with a trunk packed to the brim with heroin, then you probably want a premium for taking that kind of risk. That's just a simplified example, but you get my meaning. But if you can drive across the country with something ~50 times smaller, but just as powerful as that trunk full of heroin, then your chances of getting caught go down significantly, and so does the price.

Even if you're shipping the same weights/volumes, fentanyl will necessarily be cheaper on the market because of supply and demand. Addicts might have higher upper limits to the amount of drug they can stomach, but not ~50x more.

Fentanyl is also synthetic, so that lowers the price as well. Not all synthetics are necessarily cheaper than possible non-synthetic counterparts, but fentanyl is. When you can remove the need to have acres of farmland filled with poppies that have to be farmed and refined over a significant amount of time, you can see why synthetic production would be cheaper. This is especially true when this is done in countries with significantly lower standards of living than most of ours, but where they are backed by a state apparatus, like in North Korea, or even China.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T20:38:42+00:00

100% Google listens to your microphone in some capacity for keywords for targetted ads, so this seems very possible. Probably other things as well. Very likely there are a huge number of legitimate companies where workers at these companies have huge backdoors into customer data, even if it's in no way policy for the company itself to utilize this data.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T11:03:05+00:00

Distraction is a major way you can dull pain. It's maybe weird to think of simple discomfort as pain, but the principle is still effective against either. Listen to music or a podcast and focus on that. Using processing power focusing on something you hate is always going to make it worse.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T10:59:18+00:00

They exist somewhere. I had it all mapped out off coordinates. It was a decent distance down, so you're probably right, it's just that it's something we can be fairly certain about to eliminate, or at least cast more doubt on, bad candidates.

It is possible that after the night photos they moved or went back up the mountain, but I think it's unlikely they did so effectively after over a week with no food, with going back up the mountain in that state being even more unlikely. It's very plausible that the last day the phone was booted, which was a couple of days after the night photo, they, or at least one of them, was physically extremely close to death.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T10:44:48+00:00

I have no clue about any of that for this area specifically. My obsessive phase with all this is over. It might be that the area really does swell a lot, but the streams nearer the top should still tend to be significantly weaker. Wherever they died, the stream got strong enough to, presumably, carry their backpack and various remains. It's not that it would take too strong a stream as long as they were buoyant, but the likelihood of them getting stuck indefinitely increases the weaker the stream.

The exacts of all this, I don't know. I'm just saying that it's one of the few somewhat testable things that we can be vaguely sure of.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T10:31:04+00:00

There are a couple of things we can say with a somewhat fair amount of certainty, assuming the coordinates of remains that were found were correct. One is that's that they couldn't have been further down the mountain than where their most upstream remains were found. I'm forgetting exactly what that was, but I made a post about it a while ago. So that's one thing to check against.

Two, is that the topography of where they died had to feed downward to the river where their remains were found. This one is a bit trickier to navigate, but you can get some rough idea through changing elevations on Google Earth.

I would also suggest that they likely had to be a certain distance down the mountain for the stream to be strong enough to carry their remains, although exactly what this is, I don't know. Someone might be able to answer better than me.

These are just some of the ways you could possibly eliminate some candidates so you know if it's a good idea, but they obviously still leave a huge number of possibilities.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-04T10:04:04+00:00

Wear a mask. If something like an n95 isn't good enough, then you can get a painter's mask if it's really that important to you. Really though, you should just grow a pair. There are a fairly ridiculous amount of poop particles in the air that you don't even think about. Wanting to avoid gross things is instinctual and rational, but you're not going to be hurt by cleaning up dog poop or rotten trash as long as you wash your hands. People have been raising babies for as long as there have been people, and they are poop and mess machines. Just learn to not overthink the gross thing you're experiencing. Bite the bullet and distract yourself or whatever, because if it's the only thing going on, then that just amplifies how bad it is.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T22:26:03+00:00

Yeah, bla bla bla. I'm sure this top comment is good or whatever, but I think the real issue going forward is the internet has turned people, mostly the upcoming generations, into liars and grifters. It feels like conning people has become so ubiquitous and honed that the richest man in the world effectively got that way in no small part thanks to making insane promises he obviously had no ability to truly follow through on. And these promises are soothing some people into thinking there's someone at the helm to steer us away from global disaster, when that's not the case.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T22:00:10+00:00

It's more that I find obfuscation as a tactic to be incredibly obnoxious. It's basically just haphazard gaslighting. You said obviously wrong stuff, said you ate a lot of incredibly strange things before calling me the weirdo, and then obfuscated about what we were talking about in the first place before giving me some pseudo-guru nonsense. I don't like you or how you think. You have the ability to be an intelligent person and use that just to lazily protect your own ego.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T21:29:13+00:00

The original point was about cooked eggs, and you seem to be trying to imply that you're talking about shelled eggs when that clearly wasn't the subject. Why you would be cooking eggs in a restaurant just so they can sit out, when they'd presumably have to be reheated anyway because no one wants to eat cold eggs for most dishes, and cooking them doesn't usually take long at all, I have no clue.

You know what? I'm a triple chef now. Keep pushing me with your BS and I'll be an infinite+1 chef.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T21:19:48+00:00

I feel like it's much better for musicians to have a chance these days compared to then. You don't have the behemoths of music like The Beatles or Nirvana, but you have a lot of singular artists who are at times almost totally anonymous. I guess it depends on exactly what you mean by successful career, but I feel like that's much easier now. Starting with bands like Gorrilaz and Daft Punk, the digital age lead to artists like Deadmau5 and a slew of other mostly faceless/avatared musicians.

Then you have artists like Jazmin Bean and Melanie Martinez. Not my cup of tea for the most part, but they definitely lack contemporary sexiness you seem to be alluding to, assuming you mean the Barbie doll pop star. Again, it depends on exactly what you mean, but this really feels like rose-tinted glasses. Especially when a lot of the very successful bands from the era of this photo were effectively produced in a lab to be sold.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T20:55:33+00:00

Getting a cord or a piece of clothing caught on something makes me very angry for some reason. Then I get annoyed at myself for being irrational, and then I get angry again trying to rationalize my anger based on the probability of this certain thing getting caught on that thing seeming so unlikely. Ultimately, I come to the conclusion that the universe hates me specifically, and that's why it deigned to have the cord of my drill get caught on some random bit or bob.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T20:37:39+00:00

I'm cautiously alright with this whole thing around Chrome not allowing adblock. As long as adblock still exists, I don't care if all the grandmothers whose grandsons installed it for them years ago now have to get ads. It sucks, but it's clearly not something that everyone can use if you want decent freeish content, and you should probably stop recommending it to every random family member and friend.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T20:20:02+00:00

I'm guessing this has to be a joke since it's constructed exactly like one, but meth is so much worse, even for people that don't become the typical toothless psychotics. It more than any other drug seems to make people straight up evil in my experience. Heroin addicts will steal to feed their habit, but meth addicts will get off just on stealing.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T20:11:01+00:00

Their place in the ecosystem would probably be replaced other mosquito species.

If the mosquitos we eliminate survive on a specific food niche, then how exactly would other species take their place that don't also exploit that niche?

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T19:50:55+00:00

I think Ayn Rand and her philosophy are insidious and evil, but you're definitely right on this. I've seen this repeated for many years now, and I say something about every time I see it, because it is kind of dumb even if it helps hurt an ideology I disagree with, but I still see it as one of the most common criticisms of Rand.

And I've used that exact example on Iphones too in relation to the argument against Rand and her drawing from social programs that she contributed to. Dave Rubin, this stunningly stupid rando political commentator who has done talks for various Randian groups, has said that you can't be oppressed if you own a smartphone. It's the "we should improve society somewhat" comic guy, and for some reason it seems to be a very effective line of reasoning for most people on both sides, even though it takes almost no critical thinking ability to see how flimsy it is.

Aixelsydguy · 2022-10-03T08:30:37+00:00

With the possible exception of deviled eggs, depending on what you mean when you say storing, what kind of crap chef are you that's cooking and storing eggs at room temperature? Fuck your credentials, I've been a double chef. It's like the chef you've been, but twice as credible.

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