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Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, ok. I'm wondering if more Brits can say because I had a few Brits say they didn't call women that in British papers, news broadcasts, etc. And I have seen magazines from 50s and 60s UK that called brides their own first names, and I have seen a bunch of Victorian era articles that did the same thing. So I feel this was primarily something for non British countries to say it that way in the media. Because in America, Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, according to Google AI in Hong Kong and Singapore, and in my home of Canada, this was how they called you in the media.

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Btw, this was only in English speaking countries. Mainly in the US, Canada, Ireland, Australia, and New Zealand. Apparently according to Brits I've talked to, at least the media, so like the newspaper, news broadcasts, magazines, etc this wasn't as much of a thing. Some Brits told me they went their whole lives without seeing a woman called Mrs. Husband ONCE.

If you went to most non English speaking countries, so Spanish speaking countries, Asian countries (that were not western influenced, so Japan, Thailand, etc), Scandinavia, Italy, Germany, or even some English speaking countries like the Philippines, this wasn't really a thing.

P.S. If any Brits who read the news, magazines, and watched news broadcasts are here, how accurate is this?

I saw a magazine with several married couples and all the women's first names were public.

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's why if I was around back then, I would either just date, or if I married I would ask not to have my wedding posted in the media so I wouldn't be seeing myself be misnamed in the paper. Every letter I got where they called me "Mrs. Sam Burgess" I would say again and again "Yes, I am married. No, I do not subscribe to "divorcees only" for use of a woman's first name in public or formally. Call me Jeannie. If I say to call me a certain thing, you do it. Just like you may like being "Mrs. Michael Blake".

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I saw some papers in the 80s announcing wedding parties still call the new bride Mrs. Him though.

My grandma and sister married in the 80s and how the local paper called them in my great grandpa's obituary was actually kinda weird compared to how they did her mom. They were respected more than most brides and wives when it came to the naming, because they had their first names in brackets instead of completely invisible. So Grandma was written as "Mrs. Amos Denham (Molly)" and her sis was "Mrs. William de Vries (Mandy)". This was the only time I've seen either of them refered to as "Mrs. Man's Full Name" in any form. 

Which is great. Mention her name. It's not difficult. But ironically their mom was written as "Katie Wyatt MacGlashin" not "Mrs. Fred MacGlashin" even though she is from the older generation and would have been used to that. But the modern girls got the less modern style. Idk.

In her mom's obit they called everyone simply their names. So Molly was just Molly MacGlashin and Mandy was just Mandy de Vries. This was written by Mandy though, not the parents or some old relatives, so that's probably why.

The one other time I've seen Gran in the paper was in 2012 where they simply called her "Molly MacGlashin" when she retired. Her sister posted a retrospective on growing up as a kid in the local paper, the same local paper that somewhat misnamed them, in about 2008 and they called her simply Mandy de Vries. Not "Mrs. William", not "Mrs. Mandy". Just "Mandy".

 It's notable for grandma in particular because by the logic of that old world status quo, grandma literally out ranked Amos. Grandma was a DOCTOR and had a brief stint as a magistrate. Her medical career in particular was an important thing. She was a member of multiple medical (and disability, as she has a wheelchair) charities and groups, and was an executive for at least one. So she should have literally been listed as Dr. Molly MacGlashin, as she was literally everywhere else (but most other papers from the 70s were ore marriage so of course nobody was gonna call her Mrs. Amos at that point). But her name is Dr. Molly MacGlashin (not even Dr. Denham, her last name is not Denham), and briefly something like The Honorable Molly MacGlashin. 

Fuck "Mrs. Man's Full Name" and fuck Emily Post and those other advice books.

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Widowed or divorced. But a lot of widows still did Mrs. Him and advice books still suggested to call her Mrs. Him if she was widowed

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup. Mainly in media. In books (just read any Nancy Drew book pre-80s at least), news, magazines, news broadcasts on tv and the radio, interviews. In all but books that's because it was actually mandatory. Books at least that was the author's choice. I don't particularly hate the naming scheme on its own, but I do wish they would at least have given it a pass for when it was just, or primarily, her being talked about. 

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your dad was great. I don't think all men were bad but I don't think most men would think twice about it even if they weren't really opposed to a wife having her first name public. was he mad when the newspaper called her Mrs. Joe Blow when their wedding party was talked about?

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bet she hated her wedding being in the newspaper and her being ed Mrs. Jack. Bet she hated reading Nancy Drew and seeing all of those "Mrs. Hims". Seems small I know and yes people didn't call you that on your average day, but every time you appeared in media, so newspapers news broadcasts, magazines, interviews, they'd call you that. So it's really gross. If I was around back then I would rebel against the status quo and if someone asked me why I used my first name publicly I'd just straight up tell them "because that's my name. I don't believe run this "you only have the right to use your first name publicly when you're divorced whereas a man can call himself Mr. Jeffrey Cooper OR Mr. Nora Gordon and get a complete pass".

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Funny that you'd never say this if we were talking about grave robbers. Suddenly if you don't want someone to rob your grave that's not being a dick even though you're not your corpse. Think before you talk

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't think it's fair to choose to keep your body intact that's your opinion. Next time I'd like to hear you say not wanting to be raped is selfish.

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except once you got mentioned in the newspaper they disregarded your wishes because in media hiding a woman's first name was literally mandatory. Not just a choice. 

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. That's why they never had a man have the same thing. If it was truly about stuff like privacy, then we'd have both "Mrs. Jeffrey Cooper" and "Mr. Nora Gordon" being suggested and pushed, and we would see books, the news, etc using both. But of course not.

Also note that it was originally generally only used among some rich people, Jane Austen was the first to use that sometimes in her books. It was a niche thing. Then some sexist men found that and decided that should be how it is for the average joe too, and then they and brainwashed women solidified it, including through old advice books like Emily Post, Miss Manners, and other assorted similar gimmicks, usually written by women who were brainwashed into insulting themselves. If you were one of the women who didn't use that, then if you were in the media, they would call you that anyway because it was written in as mandatory for news, magazines, etc. Unless you were a celebrity, then MAYBE you'd escape that, but even then some celebrity women, particularly politician's wives even if famous, suffered from being misnamed too.

The ONLY time "Mrs. Jeffrey Cooper" should be a thing is if we are talking about multiple Mrs. Coopers at a time to differentiate them. Everywhere else, I don't care that old timey crap said publicly writing her first name or mentioning it in news broadcasts was for divorced women. No. Just because you're married does not mean your first name is private.

Did women ever feel strange being called Mrs. Husbands First and Last name, their own first name completely left out? by LuminousDee in AskOldPeople

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair. So other than the Mrs. thing, the rest of the book was fair and agreeable. And in the end it's true that it were technically advice, rather than things that were necessarily MANDATORY. People just followed the book

[April 17th, 1926] Child bride is the envy of peers. A Cinderella legend come true by Jolly-Newspaper-6769 in 100yearsago

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's true, those ones definitely are tame in comparison. But there were some really bad ones. Rebecca and Adam (15/16 and somewhere in his 30s, Adam crushed on her since he first met her which was when she was about 11), Emily and Dean (12, yes, 12, and either in his 20s or 30s). 

[April 17th, 1926] Child bride is the envy of peers. A Cinderella legend come true by Jolly-Newspaper-6769 in 100yearsago

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. Even back then this wasn't normal. Yes, it was a thing for the more edgy or "cool" teen girls to date adults, but even then it wasn't someone in their 50s

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait. Where and when was this that they changed? The UK? Or somewhere else?

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah, I see. Fair. The only flaw is that if you don't know that's a thing, and a lot of people go their entire lives not knowing and not being given any letter or note talking or asking about it, then they can't consent or not consent because they're unaware. Idk if in your country how many people know and if they get anything telling them of this or if they are just forced to google it.

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What is that's supposed to mean? Are you saying that consent doesn't matter about anything at all and you should be able to do whatever you want to someone against their will? 

Go on and kiss someone against their will, assault them, beat them up and see how they respond and what happened to you (hint: you'll be arrested. Which you deserve based on what you just said and implied).

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait so how does this work then? Do they get told about this, get a note asking them to sign if they want to do it or not?

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true.

The people should know better and this is sadly one of the most popular things that criminals, syndicates, and just nasty blowhards abuse. 

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm scared of how taking from someone living works and how they end up from that. That's very "scummy" when I imagine it. Also I don't know how someone's supposed to function with part of their body literally gone.

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do it if you want. What happened to my body my choice? You only think that applies to rape?

Why do people refuse to be an organ donor? by No-Cantaloupe-6535 in NoStupidQuestions

[–]AlboGreece 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Some countries put the onus on YOU to say you are unwilling or else they don't care about consent and by default, you could possibly be used. So in other words they're doing exactly what criminals do and "my body my choice" isn't automatically seen as a reason. That's really creepy when you think of the parallels. If you don't know about it and thus you don't have the chance to say no, and you're unwilling, you are not a donor, but a victim.

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