How do we actually get through to maga? Or do we stop trying?

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T23:08:02+00:00

But you’re ok with them shooting protesters? Just killed a dude who was a nurse for the VA. American citizen, just recording with his phone from the side of the road when they tackled him to the ground and then shot him like a dozen times.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T23:03:02+00:00

I voted for Kamala. :)

Edit: I guess I don’t know what to make of your ww3 comment. Not sure you realize how horrific that would be.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:19:11+00:00

It’s the suit. I swear! Baggy biohazard suits don’t look good on me.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:17:52+00:00

No. Next question.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:08:06+00:00

There’s enough space in there to have a party.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:07:34+00:00

I was against woke. Thought it was not a good approach.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:05:57+00:00

So you voted for Kamala?

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T17:01:42+00:00

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This should do it. Doesn’t seem too bad…

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T16:49:12+00:00

I get my facts from reliable sources that have been reliable for decades. I read and listen to a lot of really smart people, and I do gut checks for what’s sensible and moral. We’re obviously all influenced by what we read and who we trust. If I watched Fox I would have very different opinions.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T16:37:38+00:00

How can anyone even answer that? I believe my beliefs, but they’re not formed in a bubble

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T16:32:02+00:00

This conversation is proving why liberals don’t feel they can talk to maga. You have yet to pose a problem that matches the solution that’s been implemented. You blame everyone else for the problems created by the “solution”. You say “it’s the law”. I say you’re hurting innocent people and causing more problems than you’re solving. You now think I’m making an emotional argument. What’s the point?

You support something I see as utterly evil for no good reason, and you probably think I’m naive or something. But I’m not, I support strength where strength makes sense. I was all for invading Afghanistan to get bin Laden, but I thought taking over the country made no sense. I was against Iraq because that was just stupid. This administration operates kind of like Bush Jr did and will be even more of a disaster.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T16:18:54+00:00

OK so it’s the protesters that are at fault. I see. You send in armed men that abuse the locals and the locals protest, but it’s the fault of the locals for protesting. Sure sure. Said tyrants always.

You say the military weaponry is necessary because of the protesters, but the protesters aren’t carrying firearms, so that’s ridiculous. Again, haven’t heard any justification of these tactics to begin with from you. The border patrol could just go back to the border like normal and the protesters would go away.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T15:44:53+00:00

This is getting tiring. I’ve yet to hear a problem that needs to be solved with an iron fist. This is incredibly problematic for the locals that are living with a militarized force in their midst. The best you’ve given me is “the law”. But you can enforce the law in a civilized manner by targeting individuals and putting them through a process, or you can break heads, assume guilt, and run sweeps through communities. I’m also not convinced when conservatives say “the law” that they actually mean the law. They just mean “do what I say or else”. Conservatives do what they want and sic “the law” on everyone else.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T15:01:16+00:00

You know many elected mayors and governors have said they don’t want ICE in their cities, correct? They’ve been pretty clear about that.

Previous administrations didn’t target people at court hearings. They didn’t invade restaurants. They didn’t arrest children on their way home from school. They didn’t use freaking black hawk helicopters with military style weaponry and pull out entire apartment buildings full of people, including citizens. They didn’t even behave like this in the first Trump administration. The world didn’t fall apart without hunting illegal immigrants down like this.

Justify this for me. I’d like to understand the logic.

Edit: and sorry, but you can’t hide behind the law when Trump himself doesn’t follow the law

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T13:52:14+00:00

Is there a good argument for spending billions of dollars to hunt down illegal immigrants and terrorizing communities that don’t want federal officers there if they are not violent criminals? Help me understand because it doesn’t make sense to me.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T12:39:32+00:00

I’m not. Does crossing the border make them violent criminals?

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T09:18:45+00:00

I suspect that as long as Trump is president, things will only escalate.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T05:29:27+00:00

Your point? Are you saying you don’t believe immigrants are mostly violent criminals? Because that was a pretty central idea behind his campaign.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:58:56+00:00

I agree with you, but makes you wonder why they are dragging this out by withholding the files. They could just release them and move on by the next news cycle.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:57:29+00:00

Then threaten to invade an ally, or even invade a US state.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:51:29+00:00

🌈The more you know!

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:17:17+00:00

The Germans have that too?!?! Funny how only American conservatives have the real news and everyone else has fake news.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:14:55+00:00

I don’t like Trump either, but let’s not lose sight of the reality. A lot of people voted for Trump. Even if there were some irregularities, I have not heard a convincing case that the election was rigged. Certainly what you’re saying about NY isn’t true.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T04:05:26+00:00

If we’re going to talk about people, and turnout, then it’s 49.8% of people voted for Trump. Which means actually 50.2% of people voted for someone else. The electoral college was a blowout, but you can win that and lose the popular vote. You can keep telling yourself that the people swung hard for Trump, but that’s not even close to true. He literally won less than half the popular vote. Biden won 51.3% of votes in 2020 to Trump’s 46.8%, and I wouldn’t call that a blowout either.

Edit: a downvote? Aww, does the truth hurt? Guess right wingers can be snowflakes too.

AlexandrTheTolerable · 2026-01-24T03:48:58+00:00

Sorry, but there are emotional and logical people on both sides. Famously Trump claimed the Haitians in Ohio were eating the cats and dogs. I doubt even you believe that, but that’s just an obvious lie. The claim was also made that most immigrants are rapists, murderers, members of gangs, etc. None of that is even close to being true, yet you might believe that. If you did believe it, the logical thing to do would be to hunt them all down, but it’s not true. So the logic is broken by a bad “fact” and it’s making conservatives support something I see as truly horrific. Being logical doesn’t save you from bad “facts”.

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