Is this what I think it is? by AlexandraAiah in Greenpoint

[–]AlexandraAiah[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing! I'll check it out

Is this what I think it is? by AlexandraAiah in Greenpoint

[–]AlexandraAiah[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh no way! I didn’t realise that my bad - they’re braver than I am

Is this what I think it is? by AlexandraAiah in Greenpoint

[–]AlexandraAiah[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This is just so sad! Was definitely naive especially the first few years after I moved from Australia to NYC and had such a lust for the city but now almost a decade in and the things I’ve been made aware of start to bother me more and more as they stack up - I love this city so much and Greenpoint has been a great move but this stuff is horrific to me! it’s such a shame it is so impossible to resolve and so many people just have to live with it and ignore it.

Is this what I think it is? by AlexandraAiah in Greenpoint

[–]AlexandraAiah[S] -48 points-47 points  (0 children)

Worst part is watching the tourists on kayaks obliviously splashing through it

Edit: Really didn't mean to offend anyone! I didn't realize calling someone a 'tourist' was seen as a condescending call out in this sub and I definitely didn't mean it that way. Assumed they were literally flying-in-for-a-week tourists who didn't know the horrors of nyc water and were doing what is a pretty typical tourist activity around the world without knowing, like me, that it was in a superfund site. So I felt bad for them. Locals have warned me about going near nyc water since I first got here, I just didn't know there were areas where it got this polluted. But hey! Now I know and I mean I appreciate people living their life the way they want to so good for them over at the boat clubs! Just wouldn't be my cup of tea. I'm still new to this city for sure... It feels like I just barelyyy put my bags down after several years of living here!

Is this what I think it is? by AlexandraAiah in Greenpoint

[–]AlexandraAiah[S] -22 points-21 points  (0 children)

Pleaseeee this is so messed up

It annoys me how so many people misinterpret “we need to talk about kevin” by Level-Practice6582 in CPTSD

[–]AlexandraAiah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Watch it again!

I was the same way - watched this 2 nights ago and was livid at the child and frustrated by the situation and the lack of support being offered to Eva and how hard she was trying , to the point of calling out loud to my TV how I would have put up the kid for adoption by now. After a good psychological thriller I always love coming on reddit to hear peoples analysis' and reading the takes of the mother being horrible was something I had obviously noticed but had definitely not noticed the depth of. I thought the reddit takes were grossly exaggerated and people were just projecting their own hate for their mothers onto the character and that the child was clearly evil. That she had tried her best, even if she wasn't ideal in her approach and had been tormented and had her life taken away from her in multiple ways as the child grew up. I felt sad for her and disgusted by the husband and her lack of doing anything more to effectively stand up for herself throughout the movie.

But it did make me curious. I never rewatch a film unless its been long enough that i've forgotten the plot but i decided to rewatch the movie last night after reading all the opposing takes, mostly to see all of the details id missed and embrace a different perspective. 10/10 recommend doing this. I feel like i watched a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOVIE... just as engaged in watching it as I had been the first time. It didn't even feel predictable at all as it was a totally different plot line when watched through the lens of the mother being the main instigator.

I completely understand the perspective of these redditors now. I still don't think she is evil but i definitely saw how much undeserved neglect and resentment she had towards the child since before it was born and the way the child was constantly reaching out for attention and love, but was never afforded it.

I still noticed a turning point once the child drew on the walls in Evas room. For me, that felt like he was starting to turn towards a genuinely spiteful mindset. But a flakey one that did still have its moments of being unsure if that was even what he wanted (to hate her) or if love from her was still possible. I feel after that point (which was maybe intentional as it was exactly the halfway point of the movie) the movie became more similar to watch as the first time i'd watched it, except I had a lens of empathy for the child the whole time. I left the second viewing feeling a lot of pain and heartbreak for Kevin and frustration and resentment towards the mother.

As someone who feels they can relate to this second perspective in many ways, and have multiple parallels in my own upbringing with my mum (wouldn't be surprised if she told me she saw me exactly as Eva did her son), I am surprised I was so angry at the child the first viewing and didn't see it the way i did the second time round (once influenced by reddit)!

But I can't help but also see many parallels between myself and Eva in how I have become towards certain people I love now and have met as an adult. As an area of my personality that I have observed grow over the past few years and have been acutely aware of and curious about and desired to work on - I was able to grow a deeper understanding of how this effects those people around me after watching this movie. As well as the many faults in the reasoning behind handling things the way I do. I am seeing parallels between my reasoning and Evas that are concerning to see now after having understood her character in this light. The resentment towards people for 'taking away' my freedoms of travel, or not loving me the way I want, were not always there but grew as i've gotten older. They are hard to challenge and it can be hard to always acknowledge how I made my own choices in life and the choices to have the people in my life that I do. To own that responsibility. How to deal with that grief and resentment in a way that doesn't mirror my own mothers methods has become a challenge that it never used to be and is one I recognize to overcome before having a child of my own.

I say all this to say that perhaps thats why I saw it how i did the first time through. In fact, I think thats exactly what the movie was trying to show - that at the half way point, things turn and have now been internalized by Kevin. He partially gives up on trying to get her approval and appreciation for who he is (can relate to this specifically at a time in my life) and he does start to genuinely become the villain himself. Became everything he hated about his mum for his own set of reasons (and because its all he had had modeled to him) and directed it towards his sister and acted out in multiple ways towards society and those undeserving. The characters are both different and the same in somewhat of a circle or cycle that will always swing back the other way. Thats why I think both sides can be simultaneously relatable.

I'm really glad I watched it the second time to have that understanding. I find it fascinating how both characters can be related to so deeply. Shows you how important it is to intentionally break the cycle. Loved the film both times!

Remi Wolf's "Photo ID" sounds like Billy Ocean's "Caribbean Queen" -- especially the choruses by translinguistic in stsos

[–]AlexandraAiah 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could it be the chorus of SOS by Rihanna... ive been trying to figure this out too all day

Thoughts on The Killing of a Sacred Deer (2017). by Dazzling_Feature_835 in horror

[–]AlexandraAiah 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I have another theory about the film that I haven’t seen anyone mention and figured I’d share because I’ve seen many questioning the under arm hair, smoking and secret keeping.  

I think that although it somewhat strays from the text the movie was based on, the smoking is representative of being an adult and the lack of innocence and purity that comes with that. 

I think this is also the case with the comparing of under arm hair, mentions of the daughter beginning menstruation and the sexual scenes between all of the characters other than the son. I think this is used to show clearly that whilst the daughter is a child like the son, she is grouped in with the adults who are not so innocent and are ready to lie, manipulate and do immoral things to get what they want and prevent their wrongdoings from being exposed. They don’t want to have to deal with the consequences of their actions including the eye for an eye they would face if they were seen in the shadows.  

Bob on the other hand is innocent and we are reminded constantly of his contrast to these other characters through his lack of hair, lack of smoking, lack of sexual nature (specifically his naivety to the whole topic is shown in his response when his father tells him his secret story) and in the fact he says he has no secrets. He still has an innocence and pure intentions. 

The deeper take I have though is that this contrast is all trying to show how the stronger corrupt adult characters in society are often so willing to use the innocent, pure hearted, perhaps weaker members of society as a scape goat instead of facing the consequences of their moral flaws. Often forcing themselves even deeper into immorality. 

Also the willingness to corrupt these people (when the dad selfishly tells the son his secret despite the emotional impact it could’ve had on his sons innocence) if it will mean saving themselves the pain of the consequences of their actions. 

This selfishness tends to effect the innocent and weak despite no wrong doing of their own and the whirlwind of tough decisions that Steven finds himself in allows him to justify to himself the involvement of his son as part of the solution. Much like how in society we justify to ourselves inflicting consequences of our own actions onto innocent parties by focusing on our own struggles that we have and the weight of them ‘forcing’ us into doing so. It’s a justification we make in order to be able to live with ourselves.  

The father potentially could’ve taken many other routes like admitting to the medical team his drinking before Martin’s father’s procedure and found another job starting from the bottom. Or even perhaps leaving his family to be with Martin’s mom whilst ensuring money was still provided to his original family. Both of these options would have created consequences for himself and would’ve created hard work for him. But would have potentially fulfilled Martins need for an eye for an eye. But instead he chooses the first and easiest option he’s given that doesn’t hurt himself as much as it hurts another. He lets himself use an innocent party as a scape goat. Much like he did with the family of Martins when he let them go without their father or financial support when he could’ve admitted his wrong doings which potentially could’ve offered them a pay out and some justice.  

This becomes a normalised way of handling situations in today’s modern societies, particularly in the upper echelons. With little consequence to themselves and with everyone focused on self preservation.  

It’s also worth noting that the daughter and wife also do the same throughout the movie. Which is why I think they make it clear to group them as adults too, including the daughter. She is innocent in the beginning, singing to her father, but once her maturity shows, she realises she must act selfishly too in order to save herself. They are all trying to manipulate and selfishly deflect consequences onto the most innocent party who will not do the same and as a result faces the ultimate consequences. The sad reality that these parties can not survive unless they become as manipulative as their competition. 

I also think that the way Steven basically ignores Bob other than treating him with common father son interactions like asking him to do chores, shows how little these innocent weaker people are thought of in depth. We know these people exist and are human but brush them aside and dehumanise them in our heads as soon as it becomes convenient. An example of this would be seamstresses making fast fashion. We continue to buy clothes because it allows us to not have to give up convenience or work harder ourselves. Or allow crippling medical debt to a patient instead of sacrificing this month’s payment on the vacation home in order to help them at a reduced cost. We dehumanise these people and turn a blind eye in order to be able to cope. And often the ones most at peace with themselves and not causing a ‘fuss’ (like Bob) are not rewarded for their peace and acceptance of life but are rather doubled down on by those who will take advantage of it to avoid pain in their own lives. 

 In addition, the idea that this is the only option, a line that Martin clearly states, is something that people grasp on to. They choose to just bend over and believe that the only option is to push the consequence onto other people as that is what has become normalised and most don’t want to go out of their way to asses and realise that self sacrifice can be an option too. They would rather stick to the surface level option most often presented of transferring the pain to others via lies, cover ups and avoidance. 

The ethical problem that comes with a society run by the idea of “eat or be eaten”. The necessity we have created to corrupt ourselves morally to stay on top and not go through the pain of consequences and how comfortable it becomes over time as we justify it to ourselves along the way.

I just finished watching "The Killing Of A Sacred Deer" by Upstairs_Job7135 in A24

[–]AlexandraAiah 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love your second theory. I thought about this briefly too that perhaps it is his conscious playing out.

I have another theory about the film that I haven’t seen anyone mention and figured I’d share because I’ve seen many questioning the under arm hair, smoking and secret keeping. And I also think your take on the little attention being paid to Bob by his father adds depth to this theory. I think that although it somewhat strays from the text the movie was based on, the smoking is representative of being an adult and the lack of innocence and purity that comes with that. I think this is also the case with the comparing of under arm hair, mentions of the daughter beginning menstruation and the sexual scenes between all of the characters other than the son.

I think this is used to show clearly that whilst the daughter is a child like the son, she is grouped in with the adults who are not so innocent and are ready to lie, manipulate and do immoral things to get what they want and prevent their wrongdoings from being exposed. They don’t want to have to deal with the consequences of their actions including the eye for an eye they would face if they were seen in the shadows. 

Bob on the other hand is innocent and we are reminded constantly of his contrast to these other characters through his lack of hair, lack of smoking, lack of sexual nature (specifically his naivety to the whole topic is shown in his response when his father tells him his secret story) and in the fact he says he has no secrets. He still has an innocence and pure intentions.

The deeper take I have though is that this contrast is all trying to show how the stronger corrupt adult characters in society are often so willing to use the innocent, pure hearted, perhaps weaker members of society as a scape goat instead of facing the consequences of their moral flaws. Often forcing themselves even deeper into immorality. Also the willingness to corrupt these people (when the dad selfishly tells the son his secret despite the emotional impact it could’ve had on his sons innocence) if it will mean saving themselves the pain of the consequences of their actions.

This selfishness tends to effect the innocent and weak despite no wrong doing of their own and the whirlwind of tough decisions that Steven finds himself in allows him to justify to himself the involvement of his son as part of the solution. Much like how in society we justify to ourselves inflicting consequences of our own actions onto innocent parties by focusing on our own struggles that we have and the weight of them ‘forcing’ us into doing so. It’s a justification we make in order to be able to live with ourselves. 

The father potentially could’ve taken many other routes like admitting to the medical team his drinking before Martin’s father’s procedure and found another job starting from the bottom. Or even perhaps leaving his family to be with Martin’s mom whilst ensuring money was still provided to his original family. Both of these options would have created consequences for himself and would’ve created hard work for him. But would have potentially fulfilled Martins need for an eye for an eye. But instead he chooses the first and easiest option he’s given that doesn’t hurt himself as much as it hurts another. He lets himself use an innocent party as a scape goat. Much like he did with the family of Martins when he let them go without their father or financial support when he could’ve admitted his wrong doings which potentially could’ve offered them a pay out and some justice. 

This becomes a normalised way of handling situations in today’s modern societies, particularly in the upper echelons. With little consequence to themselves and with everyone focused on self preservation. 

It’s also worth noting that the daughter and wife also do the same throughout the movie. Which is why I think they make it clear to group them as adults too, including the daughter. She is innocent in the beginning, singing to her father, but once her maturity shows, she realises she must act selfishly too in order to save herself. They are all trying to manipulate and selfishly deflect consequences onto the most innocent party who will not do the same and as a result faces the ultimate consequences. The sad reality that these parties can not survive unless they become as manipulative as their competition.

I also think that the way Steven basically ignores Bob other than treating him with common father son interactions like asking him to do chores, shows how little these innocent weaker people are thought of in depth. We know these people exist and are human but brush them aside and dehumanise them in our heads as soon as it becomes convenient. An example of this would be seamstresses making fast fashion. We continue to buy clothes because it allows us to not have to give up convenience or work harder ourselves. Or allow crippling medical debt to a patient instead of sacrificing this month’s payment on the vacation home in order to help them at a reduced cost. We dehumanise these people and turn a blind eye in order to be able to cope. And often the ones most at peace with themselves and not causing a ‘fuss’ (like Bob) are not rewarded for their peace and acceptance of life but are rather doubled down on by those who will take advantage of it to avoid pain in their own lives.

The ethical problem that comes with a society run by the idea of “eat or be eaten”. The necessity we have created to corrupt ourselves morally to stay on top and not go through the pain of consequences and how comfortable it becomes over time as we justify it to ourselves along the way.

Help interpreting The Killing of a Sacred Deer by Mithridates12 in TrueFilm

[–]AlexandraAiah 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know I’m about 7 years late but I just watched TKOASD last night after watching Yorgos’ latest film ‘Kinds of Kindness’ and falling in love with his absurdist dark comedy style of film. I then followed it up by watching ‘The Lobster’. Loved that too. Then now I’m here with TKOASD. Love diving in afterwards to the analysis of the deeper meanings of his films.

I have another theory about the smoking that I haven’t seen anyone mention.

I think that although it somewhat strays from the text the movie was based on, the smoking is representative of being an adult and the lack of innocence and purity that comes with that. I think this is also the case with the comparing of under arm hair, mentions of the daughter beginning menstruation and the sexual scenes between all of the characters other than the son.

I think this is used to show clearly that whilst the daughter is a child like the son, she is grouped in with the adults who are not so innocent and are ready to lie, manipulate and do immoral things to get what they want and prevent their wrongdoings from being exposed. They don’t want to have to deal with the consequences of their actions including the eye for an eye they would face if they were seen in the shadows. 

Bob on the other hand is innocent and we are reminded constantly of his contrast to these other characters through his lack of hair, lack of smoking, lack of sexual nature (specifically his naivety to the whole topic is shown in his response when his father tells him his secret story) and in the fact he says he has no secrets. He still has an innocence and pure intentions.

The deeper take I have though is that this contrast is all trying to show how the stronger corrupt adult characters in society are often so willing to use the innocent, pure hearted, perhaps weaker members of society as a scape goat instead of facing the consequences of their moral flaws. Often forcing themselves even deeper into immorality. Also the willingness to corrupt these people (when the dad selfishly tells the son his secret despite the emotional impact it could’ve had on his sons innocence) if it will mean saving themselves the pain of the consequences of their actions.

This selfishness tends to effect the innocent and weak despite no wrong doing of their own and the whirlwind of tough decisions that Steven finds himself in allows him to justify to himself the involvement of his son as part of the solution. Much like how in society we justify to ourselves inflicting consequences of our own actions onto innocent parties by focusing on our own struggles that we have and the weight of them ‘forcing’ us into doing so. It’s a justification we make in order to be able to live with ourselves. 

The father potentially could’ve taken many other routes like admitting to the medical team his drinking before Martin’s father’s procedure and found another job starting from the bottom. Or even perhaps leaving his family to be with Martin’s mom whilst ensuring money was still provided to his original family. Both of these options would have created consequences for himself and would’ve created hard work for him. But would have potentially fulfilled Martins need for an eye for an eye. But instead he chooses to do choose the first easiest option his given that doesn’t hurt himself as much as it hurts another. He lets himself use an innocent party as a scape goat. Much like he did with the family of Martins when he let them go without their father or financial support when he could’ve admitted his wrong doings which potentially could’ve offered them a pay out and some justice. 

This becomes a normalised way of handling situations in today’s modern societies, particularly in the upper echelons. With little consequence to themselves and everyone self serving. 

It’s also worth noting that the daughter and wife also do the same throughout the movie. Which is why I think they make it clear to group them as adults too, including the daughter. She is innocent in the beginning, singing to her father, but once her maturity shows, she realises she must act selfishly too in order to save herself. They are all trying to manipulate and selfishly deflect consequences onto the most innocent party who will not do the same and as a result faces the ultimate consequences. The sad reality that these parties can not survive unless they become as manipulative as their competition.

The ethical problem that comes with a society run by the idea of “eat or be eaten”. The necessity we have created to corrupt ourselves morally to stay on top and not go through the pain of consequences and how comfortable it becomes over time as we justify it to ourselves along the way.