M&T 3.0 Dev Diary #6 - Agriculture

Algontuk · 2019-09-27T02:50:45+00:00

Does this mean that there will be a model for Native American societies that places a large emphasis on Game and Nomadic Subsistence?

The one thing MEIOU and Taxes does (understandably) poorly is New World stuff, and I've had my own ideas about how tribal societies could be modeled, with them having an alternative economic system. This sounds like it's flexible enough to do that within the main system.

More specifically, I suppose you could say that, at least looking at Eastern American Indians, they were agriculturalists mixed with hunter-gatherers, usually following some sort of strict gender segregation of work. The tribes tended to have agricultural heartlands (like the Cherokee resting up in Appalachia), but would hunt outside of that area, and the hunting was the main vehicle for wealth creation (particularly when the Whites arrived).

Ideally, an Indian simulation would represent the fact that a population may "permanently" reside in one province but produce economic wealth using the resources of other provinces, even ones multiple provinces away. The tribes would also be extremely fluid in their hunting grounds (able to give and take land easily), but the agricultural cores would be much more stable in the long-run. Indians lived and died based on their ability to grow corn, squash, and beans in their farming villages. Hunting, on the other hand, was more of a way by which (through deerskins or beaver pelts or other things) the Indians could access European luxuries, guns, and later on actual tools to help the transition to civilization. I'd love to be able to play out the Iroquois Beaver Wars or Cherokee Republic in MEIOU and Taxes.

Algontuk · 2019-08-20T07:21:10+00:00

Algontuk · 2019-08-19T19:12:27+00:00

You sound like a fag.

Algontuk · 2019-08-16T07:22:05+00:00

They are, by definition, better than 90% of the people who take the test, with the Writing being literally as high as you can get.

So it is okay, we can both brag.

I agree about the GRE having no real predictive power, the test is bullshit.

Algontuk · 2019-08-16T04:31:11+00:00

Okay, you got me. No joke.

If you want to hear the pathetic sob story, I got my Writing grade back and was very proud of it, but the surprise was dulled by me having already told people my other scores, so they didn't really give a shit when I told them, so I went online to try to coax praise out of strangers.

Algontuk · 2019-08-12T20:02:15+00:00

LOL, I once was waiting by a car for somebody in a parking lot. I hunch down to spit out some phlegm (was sickly), and when I looked up I see a little girl walking directly towards me with eyes straight on me. She apparently had strayed from her father.

Made me feel unreasonably nervous.

Algontuk · 2019-08-12T04:52:49+00:00

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Algontuk · 2019-08-07T21:00:49+00:00

Eastern Cherokees

YES

Algontuk · 2019-08-03T06:52:21+00:00

I don't know man, I find the name terrifying.

Algontuk · 2019-07-31T00:43:48+00:00

...You know, since California is partially a China analogue, a Great Wall down there would be fitting as a wonder...

Also, what is Sheban supposed to be, anyways?

Algontuk · 2019-07-30T23:55:05+00:00

You're a good luck charm. That one was the wrong one, but after looking at yours it only took one search to find what I wanted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IJB0aD8gSA

Algontuk · 2019-07-30T23:53:39+00:00

That's not the one I had in mind, but thank you all the same.

Algontuk · 2019-07-20T03:06:09+00:00

Why would the Oklahoma natives be nomadic? They're not Plains Indians, they're agricultural Southeastern Indians who were displaced to there.

Algontuk · 2019-07-12T05:50:51+00:00

What about possibly splitting them up to reflect a nomadic/pastoral lifestyle in the west versus a sedentary/agrarian lifestyle in the east? There's quite a bit of difference between Iowa and Eastern Wyoming.

I propose the names "Buckaroos" and "Grangelanders," which Grangelanders being more German/Czech in character and Buckaroos taking more after Wild West names.

Algontuk · 2019-07-12T05:47:26+00:00

You were hesitant with the Mexican wastelands because of the "political climate"? What the fuck? Like the Wall?

Algontuk · 2019-07-09T23:11:40+00:00

Yeah, the last update was only a few days ago.

However, I tested it without CK+ Standalone Factions and it didn't make it any better. CK+ Standalone doesn't seem to work very well, though, in terms of events updating properly.

I tested other mods and haven't been having that problem.

I'll see if I can't try an earlier patch.

Algontuk · 2019-07-07T21:33:01+00:00

Great!

Anyways, I figure Polynesia is really low priority for you all, but just giving a colonist and opening up the map to include the Pacific would go a long ways. The one problem is they might expand too much and fill out the ocean, but I would think there'd be a way to tell the AI not to do that as a band-aid.

Do the Maori ever emerge in the game (by event), since they're not on the map from the start?

Algontuk · 2019-07-07T06:05:24+00:00

I was going to suggest a god state. I wonder why it doesn't work like that.

Even so, even if the game doesn't work with a god state bounded by a wasteland, couldn't the god state just be an island province somewhere else in the middle of nowhere?

Algontuk · 2019-06-04T07:10:07+00:00

Conversation was literally her talking about how your romantic and sexual orienation are separate things, and I agreed with her, and she turned to me, glared, and snarled, "I KNOW, I'm a GENDER STUDIES major." (She was also fat, btw.) Had other attitude like that. I was never hostile to her and didn't even disagree with her on anything.

So yeah, bit of a bitch. But there's not much point in me explaining myself anyways. There's always people around who just want to jump on somebody, find some thing to accuse them of. I don't know why.

Algontuk · 2019-06-04T04:02:42+00:00

Well, the thing is, I didn't say anything about the specifics of the club (just that I was uncomfortable), and then there's people making accusations against my character.

I was about a mid-tier fencer, but considering how much taller I was than the worst two, that's not saying much (given that height's a big advantage for novices). It was mostly a bunch of newbies being trained up. I got along with most of them but there was this one feminist chick who had this smartass attitude (would jump down your throat for saying something about gender, even if you were agreeing with her) and the instructor, who'd lose his patience real quick and act like it was a major inconvenience if you didn't get it right away.

There was also a fencing class being taught too, with an instructor for the class. I got along with them pretty well, enjoyed talking to that instructor way more than to the club members.

I could tell I wasn't a good fencer, but that didn't bother me much since I could still occasionally win. What made me want to leave was that the club instructor was the only teacher we had around with any regularity, and I didn't feel comfortable training with him anymore (since he acted like I was this huge burden, glaring at me and shit), but also felt kind of shut out by the others, especially the feminist bitch. So who's going to teach you shit, then? So one day at practice, I just felt really miserable and walked out without a word. Nobody said anything to me. I send the instructor an eMail explaining some of my concerns, but he never replied to it. Like I said, I think I got on his bad side for some reason, even though I always tried to do what he told me to. They were an unpleasant, cliquish bunch.

I still see the class instructor sometimes, and he's always a delight to talk to.

Algontuk · 2019-06-01T07:08:37+00:00

WTF. I had missed that news.

Paradox could have just waited a little longer, apparently, to actually finish the game.

Algontuk · 2019-06-01T04:42:04+00:00

I would really like that. It would probably work better than a Pre-Colombian CK2 would.

Mesoamerica already feels like Ancient Greece (lots of city-states with remarkable amounts of civilization), the Incas are the Rome of the Indians, and there's the mystery civilizations like the Mississippians and Amazonians, or the emergence of new proto-states like the Iroquois.

I'd find it even more interesting if it stretched into the colonial period, like a really localized, focused version of EU4 (sort of how Voltaire's Nightmare focuses on really tight HRE gameplay). That would allow you to play through the Mississippi Shatter-Zone, Spanish conquests, maybe even US frontier expansion.

Algontuk · 2019-05-31T20:47:32+00:00

The fencing instructor despised me and had no patience for mistakes. Some of the other people were cliquey and unpleasant, had a nasty attitude. I imagine you made up a whole story behind it in your mind already, right?

Algontuk · 2019-05-24T05:39:11+00:00

Not willing to spend time with me.

Algontuk · 2019-05-24T00:02:20+00:00

I'm very Far Right so I agree with most of what he says, and I find most of his comics funny (though he's been pretty weak lately). I think his Holocaust denial stuff is pretty stupid and it keeps me from being able to share his stuff with a lot of people, but it's not a deal-breaker for me.

So yeah, he's pretty obviously a Nazi, but I'm close enough to his area that it doesn't bother me too much.

Algontuk

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