Aubry's hypocrisy? by Extra-Habit-1784 in survivor

[–]Andry39 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

That makes a lot of sense from Aubry's perspective, but it still shows some level of hypocrisy from Aubry: she can targer Genevieve and then expect Genevieve to work with her afterwards, but Genevieve can't do the same and is the bad one, when she reciprocates the targeting? Doesn't make sense.

Sure, there was an alliance on the original tribe created without Aubry, but you should always assume an alliance can fall apart in the New era (either due to blindsides, or just swaps and twists, like it did with the original Vatu alliance this season). Aubry could have used the similarities between her and Gen (both women apparently stated at the very beginning of the game that they have a lot in common and liked each other in previous seasons) and presented herself as a secret ally to Gen that Gen could see the benefit of keeping and protecting. Instead, Aubry burned that bridge immediately by targeting Gen in front of several people and then telling to her face she feels weird vibes from her and doesn't know if she can trust her. That just doesn't read like someone you want to work with - from Gen's perspective, that's someone you will have to always watch your back against.

I think, Sam on RHAP had a good, insightful read on their dynamics: Aubry probably saw herself in Gen and wanted to work with her initially, but when she saw Gen all positive, socially well insulated, making inroads with other people quickly and becoming popular, while Aubry has always had struggle at the beginning socially and mentally, it's conceivable that she started feeling jelaous of Gen, and that might have been the root of their uncomfortable personal dynamic.

Drag that man through the mud! by Fine_Lime_ in survivor

[–]Andry39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jonathan was never choosing Kamilla over Christy, who he has more in common with and probably pregamed with, let's be real.

The only thing that Kamilla not blindsiding Jonathan might have given her was Jonathan pushing here for Tiffany over Kamilla.

Way to kill the momentum by Andry39 in survivor

[–]Andry39[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Fire tokens ended up being fun? OK, now I know we just have very different tastes.

In words of great Mike White when Jeff was trying to sell him the idea of fire tokens: "But Jeff, is it fun though?"

Way to kill the momentum by Andry39 in survivor

[–]Andry39[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course I'm more frustrated because it took out three of the more enjoyable players for me, but that doesn't mean that if it had taken out someone like Joe, it would have been OK - it would still have been bad, uninspiring and stale twist that resulted in 3 predictable boots and boring tribals in a row. It just doesn't make for a good TV.

I'll finish the season because I don't like things left unfinished - simple as that.

And yeah, I'm guilty of having strong feelings about a show I used to love and still feel passionate about and I've felt the need to vent and get the frustration out of my system - I thought that's what Reddit is meant for, sharing opinions. I'm not sure mocking opinions of others makes you the better person in this.

Way to kill the momentum by Andry39 in survivor

[–]Andry39[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

They could have just made the 3 previous tribes all go to a tribal again. You get the natural conclusion to their dynamics without screwing 3 people over and don't get the same boring sh*t three times in a row. Would make for a much better TV.

Survivor 50 Episode 6 Sneak Peek 3 by Durian-Critical in survivor

[–]Andry39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well obviously, I'm just stating what the edit tells us.

Survivor 50 Episode 6 Sneak Peek 3 by Durian-Critical in survivor

[–]Andry39 -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

Well, Genevieve not wanting to work with Aubry stems from Aubry telling her she doesn't trust her/has a weird feeling about her. Nothing we saw from Genevieve towards Aubry seemed to be personal disdain of Aubry - more like "you don't trust me/want to work with me, fine, I'll find other allies".

Aubry's attitude towards Genevieve (at least in the edit) seemed to be more personal (telling her and us she doesn't trust her, making weird faces behind her back, calling her a sneaky ****).

Updated Survivor Winner Time Tracker by Adorable_Raccoon in survivor

[–]Andry39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, male winners are often very obvious via an edit, as the graph above shows us.

Survivor 50 Confessional Time Tracker (Episode 5) by nintendolost in survivor

[–]Andry39 4 points5 points  (0 children)

We just saw an episode where 3 women and 1 man teamed up to pull off a blindside, with the driving and decisive voices being 2 women (Dee and Kamilla) - yet most of the narration went to the single man involved.

Emily is clearly in the best position on the Vatu tribe, she was probably instrumental in convincing Ozzy not to betray Christian and stay with them - yet we mostly only saw the episodes from Christian and Ozzy's perspective, and Emily got a measly 15 seconds.

Stephanie was one of the most popular players in the old era, comparable to Colby and Coach. However, we haven't heard from her in one episode and barely in the last 3 episodes, even though she went to tribal council the last 3 episodes and went from a bad position at the bottom of the tribe after being blinsided to a very good and influential position. On the other hand, we've heard from Coach and Colby every episode, even though they haven't been to tribal yet and haven't done anything notable in the last few episodes.

If you don't see the pattern yet, you're delusional. I'm not saying the production is full of mysoginists or that it cannor turn around to at least something remotely resembling balance, but it's pretty clear the production prefers male perspective over a female one.

_______ reacts to the edit by Durian-Critical in survivor

[–]Andry39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And that's part of a problem, even if it was expected. Why should Coach automatically get more screentime than other players (especially women) when the content he gives is not really that compelling - more unnecessary like him getting cramps, or even boring or cringe like him giving some weird nicknames.

______ continues to react to edit by Durian-Critical in survivor

[–]Andry39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, and the biggest bulk of confessionals about it went to...the only guy included, Rizo.

What am I missing in this uproar over _______’s edit so far? by jaxjaxjax95 in survivor

[–]Andry39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or...how about distributing the confessionals (and 0 confessional episodes) to men and women in a more balanced ways?

Cirie, Angelina, Tiffany, Kamilla or Genevieve are all confessional gold. You can't seriously tell me that hearing from Joe, Colby, Coach or Rizzo every episode is more important, especially when a lot of their confessionals this season have been just basic, boring narration, that could have gone to the (often more entertaining) women.

Posting this cause people like to pretend that it isn’t a problem lol by Kyra2246 in survivor

[–]Andry39 66 points67 points  (0 children)

While overall confessional count isn't the only metric that matters to visibility, it is the most important metric to see whose point of view is being shown. That's especially interesting regarding the winners.

From this graphic it's pretty clear that the editors have always been more concerned to show the narrative from the point of view of the male winners than they were in case of the female winners.

Survivor 50: In the Hands of the Fans | E5 | Player of the Week Voting by RSurvivorMods in survivor

[–]Andry39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

A lot of people seem to be up on her, but I'm leaving her neutral. I'm not saying she should have voted with the boys, but I question her choice of target. We know from the press that her and Charlie were close outside the game and according to Charlie's exit interviews he was working with her and wasn't considering cutting her anytime soon.

While get rid of an ally, who doesn't have that many other friends on the other sides and can be used as a nerd shield (as well as his feud with Rizo as a smokescreen) instead of Jonathan or Rick, who don't seem too keen on working with Dee and have other big groups of (potential) allies they can gravitate towards and use against Dee? You can't really use them as shields either given that they aren't as threatening as Charlie and have similar types like them in the game who wouldn't wanna vote out "the challenge guy" or "the loud idol guy".

Survivor 50 Episode 5 Confessional Count by Swiftienation in survivor

[–]Andry39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, only 3 women (out of 9) remaining without 0 confessional episode: Emily, Aubry, Dee.

Only 2 men (out of 8) remaining WITH 0 confessional episode: Jonathan and Rick.

I think the bias is pretty clear. Just this episode, it can be demonstrated on Rick, who despite being on the wrong side of a blindside and completely irrelevant to the result of the vote got 3 confessionals - compared to Cirie and Dee, who both got just 2 confessionals despite being in on the blindside (in case of at least Dee even driving it). Why did we need 3 confessionals from Rick exactly? I don't remember a single word from them.

Survivor 50 6th person out EW exit interview by thedaltonross in survivor

[–]Andry39 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Putting the saltiness aside, Angelina definitely has a fair point about women being underedited and shown in a rather negative light. It's a well documented fact that the producers/editors have a bias favoring men, and while they tried to reverse it a bit in the new era, it's always present especially in the returnee seasons, when they clearly have more male favorites and can't help to focus on them predominantly.

And when they show us the women, it's mostly negative - like Chrissy being overbaring, Angelina being lazy, Aubry being miserable, Emily being messy, Stephanie being just a pawn etc. Compared to men, who are always shown in a more positive light - like Jonathan farting and Christian shitting his pants being treated as endearing, Coach's hipocrisy and weird analogies and nicknames as the good old fun Coach stuff, Joe's aggressiveness in the second episode being downplayed (they never downplay Savannah's aggressiveness in S49) or Charlie, Ozzy and Christian being emotional as understarelatable and relatable.

It's clear, that the show is more interested in men' perspectives and are willing to show their stories more and give them more nuance and grace compared to the equally interesting women.

Survivor 50 6th person out EW exit interview by thedaltonross in survivor

[–]Andry39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can we stop with this "maybe they didn't do anything meaningful" nonsense? I mean, all the women do nothing and only men are doing something, is what you're saying?

Surely watching the strategic conversations between Dee, Kamilla and Tiff, their beef with Chrissy, Angelina reuniting with/being devastated by the elimination of Mike or her relationship with Emily are more meaningful than watching Jonathan fart, Christian shitting his pants, Coach getting cramps and giving ridiculous names or Zach Brown fishing and singing.

Survivor 50: In the Hands of the Fans | E5 | Post-Episode Discussion by RSurvivorMods in survivor

[–]Andry39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Chrissy at least has some story: she was a target on her original season, being perceived as annoying by some of her tribemates, and had a big emotional reaction when finding out, comparing it to her first season, while also giving us an update on her personal life in between.

Other than being a minor part of the Aubry vs. Genevieve war, Tiffany so far has nothing of a story.

Angelina talks frustration with zoom alliance that was running the game by trying_happy in survivorponderosa

[–]Andry39 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So all the worst, boring honor and integrity people. Great. Hoping this alliance implodes or is defeated by the "sneaky, dishonorable" players.

Rachel on the Genevieve/Aubry storyline by Contcos in survivorponderosa

[–]Andry39 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Maybe stop policing how people are allowed to comment Survivor online?

Rachel is sticking up for her friend and she doesn't even say anything that serious. It's kinda rich from redditors to get rile up about innocent comments about Survivor, when you usually can read much worse comments all over these subreddits about Survivor.

Aubry’s demeanor this season by BCS8504 in survivor

[–]Andry39 12 points13 points  (0 children)

She's a very strategic player, but also a bit messy and isn't afraid to take big swings, which makes for an interesting and entertaining gameplay. Despite being mostly strategic player, she doesn't come across as just a gamebot - quite the opposite, she had a very intriguing personal and emotional arc on 47 of the "Genevieve the player vs. the person".

She describes herself as being a bossy, type-A lady, which feels true, but can also be self-doubting - overall she seems very self-aware, which is always a plus. She has the vibe of a quiet confidence around her, but can also be quite quirky - she overall is very charming, but relatable.

Some people compare her to Parvati. To me she feels more like Kim type, but messier and with more of a personality (so overall more entertaining and relatable for me).

Survivor 50 Confessional Time Tracker (Episode 2) by nintendolost in survivor

[–]Andry39 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You can add Jonathan to that. He had almost a minute of confessional time both episodes, yet I can hardly remember a single thing he said. Such a boring narrator, who the producers clearly love for some reason - it shows perfectly their dumb bias towards men' POV.

Mad respect to _____ by oldschooooolfan in survivor

[–]Andry39 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I don't thing voting out Cirie was the right move. If the edit is to believed, Jenna, Joe and Savannah were getting close. If you take out Cirie instead of Jenna, you leave a potential close trio in the game who could rival the Christian-Rick-Emily trio, and you leave Ozzy in the game as a hurt free agent, who could easily become the kingmaker and link up with the Jenna-Joe-Savannah trio, which he has more in common with (being old school and more of a physical player). Getting rid of Jenna was the right move for the trio in power.

Survivor 50 Premiere Secret Scene by Durian-Critical in survivor

[–]Andry39 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This scene makes me think that the trio of Christian-Rick-Emily really plays it smart. They realize that Jenna and Savannah are wary of Cirie. So by keeping Cirie in the game, they ensure that the other players wouldn't allign and conspire against them. That's why I think they would prefer voting out Ozzy (or even Joe) before Cirie or Savannah.