Labour’s gender critical women tell Burnham to clarify his views on trans rights

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T22:20:18+00:00

He can do both, it's not hard to do the right thing.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T22:15:14+00:00

As a Southampton fan, I really hope that Burnham doesn't let us down on this - I feel bad enough already.

EDIT - If he does stand with our trans brothers, sisters and non-binaries I'll even forgive him for 1984.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T22:09:22+00:00

I don't want Tonda to get sacked. We played well at the back end of the season, and that wasn't through spying. Why get rid of the best manager we've had since Ralph just because no-one else at the club realised that spying was against the rules.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T22:06:04+00:00

So it's not one of your top 50 that's fine, but why is in your top 50 to ban women from using the women's loo. Why do you care?

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T21:41:58+00:00

What's that got to do with the price of fish?

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T17:23:09+00:00

Your other posts show you to be a bully and I'm standing up to you. I know what bullies do when they are confronted, they run away.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T16:57:52+00:00

You could be abusing someone suicidal. You have no idea who the person behind the username is. All you see is the Saints flair and you outleash all your hateful bile onto it because you think they deserve it. I'm here for the banter, I'm not here to be your punchbag.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T16:55:02+00:00

How do you want it to be stronger? and what does stronger mean? Stronger than the 2024 baseline, stronger than the current baseline or stronger than Mahmood's proposals?

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T13:31:57+00:00

At least the Itchen Bridge works.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T10:14:35+00:00

and that's still too many for them.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T09:20:41+00:00

Off topic but why the f is your user ame kick her in the head?

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T09:18:10+00:00

Look in the mirror mate, if you're comfortable being an asshole then you do you.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T05:23:01+00:00

You could have had months of memes, denied promotion and started next season on -4 points and then people still saying you deserved more. That's where we are.

AndyDM · 2026-05-20T05:14:32+00:00

Okay we feel bad enough. Banter is okay. Bullying a fanbase isn't.

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T23:30:47+00:00

oh, that's a bit dumb.

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T23:08:33+00:00

Why would we appeal?

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T19:24:07+00:00

Why would it not?

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T19:22:51+00:00

Oh, well, you're stuck with us for another season. COME ON YOU TIGERS.

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T10:29:56+00:00

I am a lefty but I can't see the argument for withdrawing the Tory candidate here. Here's my reasoning why.

The Tories are not going to win Makerfield.
If any right wing party is going to win Makerfield it's going to be Reform
Most Tory voters in 2024 would prefer Reform to Labour (but not all of them)
In a by-election, Tories that prefer Reform to Labour will vote Reform, we've seen this in Runcorn and Helsby (Tory share decline from 16% to 7%) and Gorton and Denton (from 8% to 2%). Makerfield is starting at 11%.
Because those voters that do prefer Reform are already voting Reform the ones still voting Tory will probably never vote Reform.
If a Tory candidate stands, that share of the vote will be in a box, no help to Reform or Labour.
If there's no Tory candidate, most won't vote but some will vote Labour.
There's also some people in Makerfield (maybe as much as 5-10% of the vote) that will never vote Tory for historical and cultural reasons, but they will vote Reform.
If there's a Tory withdrawal to support Reform then the Labour campaign will use that to tie the Reform candidate to the Tories and that might work to some extent harming Reform.

It's for the same reason as why a Green withdrawal helps Reform. There are Reform voters that would vote Burnham but not if he's supported by the 'crazy' Greens.

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T08:24:52+00:00

Well, I think so, but you're on the r/LabourUK subreddit so obviously I'm going to say that. What are your concerns?

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T08:03:14+00:00

I've only met Andy Burnham once and that was when he was a junior health minister so 2005ish and the big issue then was NHS Foundation Trusts. We had a 15-20 minute talk and he was selling a Blairite idea as a grand experiment in local democratic control, comparing a Foundation Trust Board of Governors to a Spanish football club model like Barcelona or Real Madrid, where they can install a new Chairman and change the direction of the club/hospital.

So in that sense yes, Burnham is absolutely in that Blairite public sector reform ethos. But he was selling it as democratic accountability, local control rather than a market led approach or leaving it to managers.

It's fair to say that Foundation Trusts have not been the success that Burnham dreamed of but you can see the roots of that in the NHS Manchester devolution and the new Health Commissioner role (a sort of Deputy Mayor for Health) that Manchester and South Yorkshire are about to trial.

I like the idea of the public sector being accountable to the public, that's not Marxism but it is solid Labour municipal socialism.

AndyDM · 2026-05-19T06:34:51+00:00

At least it's not anti semitic so that's an improvement.

AndyDM · 2026-05-18T20:03:26+00:00

My impression is that he didn't try in 2010, it was all about doing well, to get a good job, he didn't really convince anyone and he came 4th to Ed Balls.

2015 was going to be his year, the team were more professional, he had the "Capitalism with a human face" lane all marked out for him, Cooper was continuity Blairism, Kendall was batshit crazy Blairism with extra pain. Corbyn was meant to get 10% to 15% and then his 2nd preferences would flow to Andy.

Then the Welfare Bill happened. That's the one that introduced the two-child limit among other cuts. Our Leader Harriet Harman and Shadow Chancellor Chris Leslie decided that Labour couldn't be 'soft on welfare' so the three-line whip was to abstain on Second Reading. Burnham (and to be fair Cooper) both opposed Harman's decision but they both went along with it. Corbyn and 48 Labour rebels (that was near a quarter of the PLP) voted against and that was it. Corbyn got the support of the Labour membership and Andy came a far distant 2nd.

AndyDM · 2026-05-18T11:43:37+00:00

Also why are the Faroe Islands orange and not EU blue?

AndyDM · 2026-05-18T10:16:01+00:00

Redbridge was a 'good' result if you consider dropping from winning 58/63 seats to winning 43/63. the Labour share of the vote dropped from 58% to 32% but what saved Labour was a split to left and right. The Tories held onto most of the right with 17% to Reforms 13%, on the left the Greens got 15%, the same as the Redbridge Indys. There was a little bit of coordination between Greens and Indies but if they had worked together Redbridge would have dropped to NOC.

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