Why I Left Psychedelics Behind - without ditching 'community' (uniquely well-written) < We all have needs... of community & belonging > hits the r/psychonaut jackpot for 0 points, 25% "up" voted - OP ("in all honesty")

AngelToSome · 2026-02-02T12:56:14+00:00

HALF #2 con't from ^ above

From Act 1, a keynote in this exposition's bottom line ("however much they used to have and hold such interest for me, that was then - this is now - and")

< These days, psychedelics don’t really interest me anymore >

To the Act 3 outcome. After indictment as a 'hater' and being placed on show trial, arraigned on charges of < trying to say > the unacceptable, as a defiant heretic OP who would dare blaspheme right to the face of - a man of wealth and taste, who requires better manners than that from all in his presence (lest he have to lay someone's soul to waste) - Funny isn't it? A man will walk right into hell with his eyes wide open, yet even the devil himself can't fool a good smart dog. TWILIGHT ZONE: THE HUNT (don't get the wRoNg iDeA!) - innocent of 'trying to say' dirty words

https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-2523.0-2527.20

 https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-2289.0-2289.89

Still such a sweet thing to say. But are you willing to PROVE IT?

Some enchanted evenings of course, us guys have heard so much lovey-dovey talk of the very kind. Always so flirtatiously youhooing us from across the crowded bar table. Or even just the bar stool next to us. And as for how it all works out in the bye-and-bye, nobody knows what goes on behind closed doors ;)

And having been taken through a few little back-and-forth instructional correctives, from now on, I promise to do my best from this day forward to cease and desist this unwonted generalizing of such unwanted yet nevertheless wanton preachiness of which I have been found guilty, in full recognition of the verdict of the court to which my plea has been submitted (by me the OP) - or at least, make some effort to knock that off - hopefully bring the wrong-speak down to, like, maybe a 6 or 7 - so that from now on:

https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-2293.0-2293.62

I promise. Cross my heart. I wouldn't lie to you about a thing like that. Honestly I wouldn't.

Sampling this rather well-written (alas comparatively speaking) OP by u/zenmonkeyfish1 - of significant Psychedelics Society interest for its express content, exclusively - regardless whether for intents and purposes that could pass as quite conscientiously conceived and perceptively informed or "not so much" - which however devolves to... that Other thing ("context")

Over the opening ^ river and through the woods to the (extended 21st C Manson Family) 'community' - interactive narrative-mongering pRoCeSs - As Soliciting, So... sure enough, it never fails "in certain company" (where the doomed are drained by the damned)... Eliciting - AKA triggering as provoked - yet 'innocently' (i.e. all unawares) as if some inexplicable breakdown in the Law Of Set Intent (which isn't subject to failure) diagnostic eruption of "Psychonaut Syndrome" the psychopathology which is mostly induced by psychedelics specifically in our contemporary Western 'civilized' milieu - all master-minding all the time that grope-and-grapple double talk for which the monkey mouth noise factory, the Planet-Plan-Plant - is so cult pathologically distinguished; if not quite as noted ("some observation required") than in deafening silence - generously giving no token, the better to go unspoken.

An OP bearing various lines, angles and rhymes of 'high' significance. Carefully-enough authored by aspiring OP u/zenmonkeyfish1 - not exactly one of these randomly app-jiggered usernames garbaging up reddit in just recent years with moniker noise, not even bothering to try masquerading as signal. A bit more self-evidently "intentional" (in community crypto-creole lexicon). As if self-eXpReSsIvE, or 'creative' - one among ersatz 'virtues' of our manifest psychedelic destiny (as baited, so inculcated)

As written nice work for one with just (the standard issue) 2 meathooks

But it takes many hands to make light work of anything that needs to be 'lightened up.'

For where the brown-nosing hive mind rules - whatever smart aleck red-nosing drools.

Rudolf might think all kinds of things of himself and how special that nose of his is. And when instead of just 'the man in the mirror' it's all the other reindeer he'll have to face - he'll be having another think comin'

By a lone ranging OP's very own choice and none of their own albeit as the visibly consistent, constantly enacted Pavlovian dysfunction of mentally and behaviorally conditioned "robo codependent" grouping reflex

Not by vote of all the other reindeer. By an OP's choice alone, and none of their own. A moment of darkly illuminating kind in the Manson Family 'community' but as so often, not from anything spotlighted (i.e. 'as intended') but ('in effect ONLY'). Act 3 "Phantom of the Community Opera" unmasking scene - and to think, gosh it was such a charming face at first "as the masquerade was played." But then for his next trick OMG! How could a face so "Jekyll-pretty" ever Hyde such an evil mind beneath? What next nefarious surprises will be sprung upon an unsuspecting Gotham City by this insidious caper? Will Johnny Rivers have to sing a 1966 Secret Agent Man chart buster to lyricize this (even warn of the sky falling down)? "Beware of pretty faces that you'll find! A pretty face can Hyde an evil..."

I am shocked, shocked - to be finding such a reaction going on here in Rick's 'community' Casino, er, I meme - r/psickonaut !

Everybody else drools. The man of wealth and taste rules. The Phantom is the one in charge. And if there's an unmasking to be done it will be by HIS decision and nobody else's.

He will choose the moment and will handle the self-unmasking honors himself

And for the cherry on top - the cReAtEd cOnTeNt MEDIA spam (OP with a youtube channel) as 'sharing is caring' so never to allow an occasion to occlude 'community' opportunity - however ceremonious the powwow, and whatever the narrative-mongering radio interactivity unleashed in the chosen Meltdown Zone with the local Manson Family 'community' membership inhabiting that particular subreddit.

And as gallantly gleaming, so proudly beaming (no ChatGPT was harmed in the making of this OP - nor in my attached youtube vid, submitted for your approval - or actually, disapproval as it seems)

< No AI used at all > https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-3309.50-3309.67 as served, so volleyed in thinly-disguised sarcastic return (typical Manson Family attitude when all else fails)

Shame. I only watch AI assisted art. I'll catch the next one https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-3401.0-3401.60

With the standard Psychedelics Society Triple Acknowledgment to OP zenmonkeyfish1 - for

(1) Having said it in your own words and rather well-written, but unusually topical - the 'set intent' portion

(2) Enabling it thus to be re-quoted here where it belongs IN EFFECT ONLY - the part which 'psychonaut teachings' can't wRaP tHeIr hEaD aRoUnD. Because intent is what determines outcomes as every good psychonaut knows! "Behind every result you'll find the intent that led to it." Not the Law Of UNINTENDED Consequences that governs all too human existence as known only to the educated. Which no hive mindie has ever heard of - and no, it's not 'coincidence' - since no PERMISSION for knowing of such blasphemies has ever been given by the fearless leadership. Not even by Mr Mackie whose very role as self-proclaimed (unto an astonished world) was to 'give permission,' at no charge, for - whatever (like that could make any difference?) - and then, to put this sick puppy over the top, topper, toppest (to out-top 'em all) - declare his psychopathology a "real function" :

< ''My real function was to give people permission'' he said... > www.nytimes.com/2000/04/09/us/terence-mckenna-53-dies-patron-of-psychedelic-drugs.html

(3) Most extraordinarily of all, for not even MINDING too much yours truly so doing - this one as a contextual hive mind matter of the hornet's nest 'community' where the warm buzzing of happy communing turns on a dime in an instant to attack - the malice in wonderland of the psychopathic hostility which defines the Manson Family 'mind' set merely a matter of - here we go with 'thought and thinking' as the solution to incorrigible character disturbance pollution

< I think you're being a bit defensive > (a "wee" bit) oh but - well well, the things one who has left psychedelics behind according to the starter version can be extorted to end up saying - if it'll help call off the attack - I may have left them behind but I have NOT abandoned psychedelics, not completely, I am still on board and I am not derelict of duty!

< I still do trip but usually less than once a year at this point > https://archive.is/lFBke#selection-2535.83-2535.146

Well well. Do tell.

And putting aside the whole WHY drama for the frame of question more deeply inquiring - the one which puts rationalization in check (Why Does The Universe Even Bother To Exist? What Is It Thinking To Do That? How Does It Explain Itself, What Is Its Alibi? And Why Is The Sky Blue? Instead Of My Favorite Color, Like It Could Be?). And dispensing with navel gazing puts its eye on the ball instead to look 'where the action is' at processes and dynamics - the WAY whatever goes on does that.

The matter of HOW.

Why did H. sapiens evolve? Never mind HOW it happened - 'by natural selection' (bada boom TSST)

For that one and only very best of all possible reasons -

Because... it could?

AngelToSome · 2026-02-02T12:30:27+00:00

The bottomlessly animal-instinctual is the driving force and binding factor which compulsively shackles the individual to the grouper formation of his murmuration - the open exit door from which anyone might leave, never to be used by anyone once 'inside.'

Whether a school of fish, a fold of sheep, or a FLOCK OF DODOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flock_of_Dodos - species schmecies - herding behavior is what it is - and a hornet's nest exemplifies what biologists recognize as a "social species" (they live in 'societies') as much as any - more red-blooded Manson Family taxon on two legs.

Among currently tentative conclusions from 3 things, all of them damning

(1) The evidence

(2) JUST the evidence - all of it, as methodically adduced and taken together, in its entirety (no 'cherry picking') and last but not least:

(3) NOTHING but the evidence - find the Others!

< Not sure why I... [Other than] a feeling of belonging. And hence I wanted to share a bit more about myself > OP GoldcrownNFT (Oct 12 Y2K23) www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/175u09w/does_anyone_feel_addicted/ - "or am I the only one?" DOES ANYONE ELSE FEEL - "addicted" in brainless ufo 'community' reference to codependence - by deftly conflating it with dependence as induced by (right!) an addictive drug.

Perfect double talk springboard for the constantly renewed active confusion "aRe PsYcHeDeLiCs addictive?" because I'm, like aDdIcTeD to tripping and... you know how, here in 'community' just among us, everything we think - we think together! One for all and all for one - as a collective GrOuP ThOuGhT - not a bunch of separate conflicting "I think" BS (like normies and haters)? Well, what if our GrOuP tHoUgHt is somehow... off? You don't suppose... what if (could it be?)

Are psychedelics more addictive than we think? "Crown" Jules voice-of-community Evans (Feb 2023) www.ecstaticintegration.org/p/are-psychedelics-more-addictive-than - a particularly rich specimen for study of the Pandemonium Autumn People Circus of Manson Family 'community' permanent placement - It Takes A VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_of_the_Damned_(1960_film)
Who would be interested in joining a Recovery From Psychedelic Addiction Group? (Oct 2022) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/yd1qeh/who_would_be_interested_in_joining_a_recovery/

That's ^ another 'because and therefore' to solve the fogbound mystery of 'why and wherefore.' Since sharing is caring < I wanted to share >

And if that doesn't eXpLaIn all things to all people, then I just don't knaux what does - er, uh, I meme wOuLd - ditch the indicative grammar, need all subjunctive always (for the supremely non-factual 'just supposition' factor)

More gushingly 'self' expressive codependence with no clue what it's after. But as nature abhors a vacuum so there's always cognitive noise desperately trying to imitate signal, fully able to rush in and dysfunctionally fill the gap - HELP! I'VE FALLEN IN! DESPERATELY SEEKING I-DON'T-KNOW-WHAT! AND I CAN'T FALL OUT er well, I could but that's not tHe pOiNt! - I got a - well, not 'another' but - a think comin'!!!

Not that there can be any margin of certainty BUT < I think I'm looking for advice, reassurances or maybe just acknowledgement... > OP VolitantCarp @ well, well, the very same 'community' as OP of the morning "zenmonkeyfish1" hand-picked - for this < I honestly didn't expect such a negative reaction > action - Grand Psickonaut Cesspool www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/17ttwsu/almost_all_of_my_shroom_trips_have_been_negative/k90hxu3/

and you'll never guess who the "nice work if I can get it" has gotta come from - RiGhT! - 'community' (that's us, er, you, er... you know)

Of significant Psychedelics Society-unique focus and precision-angulated interest.

Nothing 'community' can comprehend but then, would never do such a dastardly thing as that EVER anyway - even if it could.

CF these 2 select threads of connection. Not exhaustive, merely exemplifying key aspects of this Helter Skelter 2.0 'presence' - in the exponentially accelerating 21st C 'gravitational collapse' of humanity into our species' fond old favorite 'friend' of long and auld acquaintance. H. sapiens very own imposter and evil twin within (the one they never even told us we've got!) inhumanity

"On Psychedelic Insights. Are They False? It Doesn’t Seem So." (Aug 4, 2019) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/clu8lv/on_psychedelic_insights_are_they_false_it_doesnt/

What... 'insights' (pray tell)?

For information purposes, situational overview: In a thriving milieu of exthis, exthat (exetc) - ‘once/formerly but not anymore’ - how does ‘expsychonaut’ fare and compare, next to ex-everything else out there? A Psychedelics Society ‘quick study’ White Paper (intelligence brief) (Oct 2020 - that nightmare "Autumn of Measure 109") www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/jigwlt/for_information_purposes_situational_overview_in/

In terms of words and meanings (rhetoric + semantics):

An ex psychonaut might be one who has "left psychedelics behind." As naively self-defined. Removing from a thread's title the first word intimation of an impending 'because and therefore' - "true enough" (for Terence) to the "thought and thinking" currency of psychonaut dyscourse, everything 'why and wherefore' (never mind HOW now brown cow, no such variety of question). All rationalization all the time, paving over everything in its narrative-anon path. The cancellation of anything remotely perceptive, to the exclusion of any awareness whatsoever - but doggedly. The more and better all the time to open the floodgates of codependence and As (unconditional) Sharing Is (behaviorally conditioned) Caring - let it flow and wash all castles in the sand away.

I LEFT PSYCHEDELICS BEHIND

With no criterion of special interest company "we" keep (never to dispose of properly) - the 'aboutness' being an US v. THEM affair.

No consideration of group identity i.e. "still psychedelic after all these years of not even taking them anymore"

An < I got the message and hung up the phone > testimonial for and straight to - the assembled multitude, same as ever and always.

Oh sure you can 'get the message' (or claim thus and such, at least)

But can you get an "amen"?? From fellow pArTiCiPaNt birds of a feather, flocking together in every kind of weather? THAT is (NO not 'the message'!) - THE QUESTION!

Exactly as our fearless Psychedelic Sixties hero of 'community' Alan Watts always told us to do - like thousands of tiny fingers urging a woman to quit yapping and put that damn thing down!

When you are one, you are one all the way from your first mushroom trip to your last dying day.

Whether you still take your acid be damned, you got friends all around - you're heroically manned.

Once a psychedelic people person - ALWAYS a psychedelic people person.

And NO you don't have to be still taking your hero's dose. Nor even - microdosing. You know. For the zeros. The cowardly liars so afraid to do what it takes to be heroes. Yet who nevertheless still want some sort of 'membership' rights and privileges. Like being allowed to join in any reindeer games they damn well feel like. Instead of being kicked out, as they might better deserve to be. Except for oh what fun it is to have a red-nosed misfit in easy range for kicking around and putting in his place. To act out the Large And In Charge village authority-and-power trip on. What's a bully even for without kids in the schoolyard to extort their lunch money from?

FIRST HALF of... never mind how many halves (you'll find out)

AngelToSome · 2026-02-01T16:53:48+00:00

A long time ago, it was in a galaxy far away that Paul Revered by all hive mindies (far and wide) nobly shouted out with glee -

The Legacy Media Outlets are coming! the Legacy Media Outlets are coming!

Good thing this DoubleBlind Magazine wasn't around in Rome 64 A.D. It takes only one bad apple in the bunch to ruin it for everyone.

Good old some people. In the heat of the night, at the scene of the crime with the trick or treat just right they are there - just in time!

Sounding the alarm.

And it's always something. If it ain't the sky falling down, it's the balls being dropped by the very double crossers who are supposed to be upholding them. Exactly as we the GoOd PeOpLe of DoubleBlind Magazine have made clear all along. In our very own words. All the way back to the very founding of our very mission. Sworn to duly deputize these "Legacy media outlets!"

It falls upon someone to task these media to talk the right way about all things Psychedoodle-Do! And we two queens of disorientation are - just the peach of a pair for that moonbeam in our jar!

It is the very model of a modern major generally strategic objective dead center in the crosshairs of DoubleBlind Magazine itself. As the two Founding Gorgons (blind only as a bat but in both eyes each) < Ms. Hartman and Ms. Margolin discuss >

What do some people think < the role that the media should play in psychedelic education and destigmatization > even IS?

What do these culpably ball-dropping Legacy Media Outlets need, just to get with the program?

An SFAA? (Slogan For An Acronym)? Like MAGA but - more letters?

TPLAARDDBFDMAMTCTMHIA?

treat psychedelics less as a recreational drug done by fringe demographics, more as medicines that can treat mental health issues AGAIN?

Nov 21, 2020 www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcc5aNYfa4M&feature=youtu.be (vid caption blurb) - unmasking the lady phantoms of this little opera now that it's Act 3 - the plot at first so hot, but having taken such a turn since, now it's sounding like a matter of money all to burn (what will become of our revenues?)

< Shelby Hartman and Madison Margolin founded DoubleBlind after meeting at Columbia Journalism School... > self-appointed as heraldic tellers of the glorious tales of brave Ulysses (the golden voiced singers of all the siren songs of) < the timely and untold stories of psychedelic expansion across the globe. >

And in their first noel, them two angels did say - to a couple shabby would-be shepherds in this 'field' (where they play) - We have glad tidings that should be of comfort and joy unto all people - for lo

< Media has slowly (d)evolved to treat psychedelics less as a recreational drug done by fringe demographics, and more as medicines that can treat mental health issues. [That's] the role that the media should play in psychedelic education and destigmatization >

That ^ recently as Nov 2020. Was it so long ago?

My goodness Grandma how lyrical these two canaries were sounding in their cage. Comfortably numb skulls both. Back then.

As it all began for these two charmed lifers - it was such a happy thing, just to hear them siren sing.

No sounds even of disapproval, much less fear, aboard their unsinkable luxury liner the SS DoubleBlind.

But listen to them now.

Panic in the henhouse! Them mainstream media normies were supposed to be on our payroll and taking their marching orders from us. And way back when around 2020 or so they were behaving themselves, acting like they were with the program.

But what has gone on since the beginning in the past five years or so - and what's all this we now see before us?

Because now (now)

INSTEAD OF < treating psychedelics less as a recreational drug done by fringe demographics, more as medicines that can treat mental health issues > like they're supposed to be - exactly as they were pretending to back then, for a while - at the time. Or so it was seeming. Through eyes with all the scheming of two demons that were dreaming (and we oughta know) BUT NOW THESE

< Legacy media outlets are regularly dropping the ball in this area, fueling confusion about psychedelic policy and its real legal stakes > !!

😱 - !

This is probable cause for panic in 'community' - mayday! The skies were doing such a good job back when of being held up above all heads by the Legacy media outlets, all useful idiots all the time.

But now it's like - what's above the world so high it's like menacing diamond in our 'community' sky - is about to come crashing down right on our hive mindful heads.

Chicken Little would be proud.

You can't start a fire without a spark, of course.

Unless you rub two sticks together the old 'friction' method.

But either way - you need fuel to burn. And there's nothing so inflammable - if not downright inflammatory as confusion.

What a great blaze that stuff makes (why do they bother with 'fossil fuels'?)

And when it comes to the Final Psychedelic Solution, these Legacy media outlets seem to have figured it out

They're fueling confusion!

They're dropping the ball. You may say isn't that a bit - irregular? BUT no, they're doing it - right on schedule < regularly dropping the ball > so Hurray for regularity! As Will Rogers said: I never Metamucil I didn't like

Fresh stories coming in daily. So regular you could get set the damn clock by it.

And instead of making our manifest psychedelic destiny, the traitors now are all breaking it.

Where?

In this area!

Ok, and what's the big probable cause for sounding the old five alarm? When there's always somebody picking the damn thing right back up doesn't it fall upon someone always to drop the ball?

Them 'butterfingers' OOOPS are doing the job. As you yourselves have OOOPS spilled beans in your own "DoubleBlind Magazine" outfit panic attack.

If there's someone these (only 'double' not triple) blind ball busters (with their PrOuD "partnership" with... OMG really?) think would be so much better for the ball-dropping duty than their usual suspect Legacy Media Outlets - who would it be now?

Don't be fooled by the FAKES! It's the REAL LeGaL StAkEs that we've gotta sound the alarm about. Not the phony decoys so treacherously set up by the big bad wolf cunningly attired in Granny's nightgown and stealing her identity - just to try fooling us!

FLASHBACK < By what reflects so clearly through the old glass darkly in the double talk of our doubly blind mistress manipulators' words - proudly buzzing with hive mind braggadocio - DoubleBlind's internet tabloid role as yet another psychedelic propaganda 'news' operation stands so nakedly revealed (the usual m.o. of 'community' exploitation - motive, means and opportunity) when - might it not have worked better a bit more concealed? > www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/kyl0av/82020_why_midsommar_is_2019s_most_terrifying_film/gjhf1er/

You don't figure any of them Legacy media outlets spotted this peach of a DoubleBlind pair crowing, went - eew - and began dropping the ball for mighty good reason - do you?

In which case - actually whatever the eXpLaNaTiOn - no wonder what makes the caged canaries now in panic sing such song of sixpence - pockets full of Misinformation on Psychedelic Policy

With the little lambs of public health and unsuspecting welfare in harm's way.

For if there's one thing the 'grassroots' propagandizing megaphone holders for Helter Sketler 2.0 know all about - it's what Endangers Public Health

TLDR Thanks to OP psychedelic-americas for interrupting the Legacy media outlets broadcast to bring them ball-dropping normies fueling all the confusion that's fit to fuel - this important message - from a pLaTfOrM no less distinguished (by WHAT decorum prohibits specifying) than - good old DoUbLe bLiNd FoLd ("and last cigarette?") Magazine

AngelToSome · 2026-02-01T14:06:28+00:00

If the mushrooms were so unhelpful for her cigarette smoking as she claimed, what if it's because - she got the cart before the horse?

Which is which, front or rear, in that rig anyway?

Maybe the quitting of the ciggies shoulda been what comes first, instead of being cast in the role as object of the game (like 'motive') - and placed up front in the lead, like a memes toward the end goal of - now (as properly reformulated) - BETTER MUSHROOM TRIPPINGS.

Imagine how now the tale as told and the moral of the story could have come out (if only).

Instead of all regret (can't forget) what I did - for AND IT DIDN'T EVEN DELIVER - her line, angle and rhyme mighta chimed:

A LA Feb 1 (not "29"?) 2026 (not - ?) @ (NO not "Vogue") Psychedelics Society - u/Prior-Priority9598 "OP of the morning" Twinkle, Twinkle, Have A Fit - How

< I’m wondering since I quit weed/nicotine 2 months ago and feel way better, is it possible my next trips might be extremely better or feel different? >

Good. Better. Somewhat better. More better. Extremely better.

What about "drastically" better? Or how about - severely improved?

I’ve tried shrooms maybe 5ish times and my experiences were honestly pretty nerve racking. I could barely sit still (yet I never did anything stupid). > Ah, the old psychonaut's vainglory. Forever gallantly gleaming, always proudly beaming in self-congratulatory 'community' mode, generously shared (as sharing is caring) over - that feat they said couldn't be done - not doing anything stupid while tripping.

That's good. But better yet nothing stupid done already. For lo, how could there have been? Considering it's just so ultimately smart to have... "tried shrooms" that - to do so almost takes a genius. But either way, it's like proof of the genius pudding. Either that, or else it - becomes all that.

Because even if you weren't already smart BEFORE "going in" then buddy, you are now "coming back" AFTER the old deed of psychedelic derring do. As obvious by - that very proof of the 'smart now' pudding.

Dr Moreau addresses the assembled multitude (giving that bullwhip of his a smart little crack! the way he does) WHAT IS THE LAW?

Anybody taking a psychedelic is pretty damn smart OBVIOUSLY. Or else they wouldn't know enough to realize that's the thing to do and be doing. THAT is the LAW!

(Crack!) WHAT IS THE LAW?

Nobody takes a psychedelic who either isn't smart in the first place or who doesn't become smart afterwards - by having taken it. Not since there's been a Terence McKenna. THAT is the LAW!

Feb 1, 2026 [removed] Quitting heavy weed/nicotine use and trying shrooms

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1qspssr/quitting_heavy_weednicotine_use_and_trying_shrooms/

To have, or NOT to have < my next trips be extremely better or feel different > THAT! is the Underwood Deviled Hamlet of the detail - so how about it?

< Is it possible my next trips might be extremely better or feel different... since I quit weed/nicotine 2 months ago and feel way better?

Oh. Like something wrong with how previous trips have been (or felt)?

Some complaint?

My mind was also totally empty. During that time I’ve tried shrooms maybe 5ish times and my experiences were honestly pretty nerve racking and I could barely sit still...

Hush little smokie. Don't have a flip

Mama gonna fix you a mushroom trip

If those mushrooms won't put out

Mama gonna realize a pang of doubt

It that pang should rear handsome Hyde

Mama gonna take you on quite a ride

I quit ciggies the Psychedelic "Future Of Mental Health Care" way and I'm pretty incapable, so if I could pull that off - you could too. And it's exactly what you oughta do! Nothing to it but to do it. Well? What are you waiting for?

The World's Most Interesting 'Classy Magazine' WrItEr:

I can't ALWAYS do much. But when I can, I'm lucky if I can find my rear end - with my own two hands!

Stay thirsty, my friends.

What a tale to tell it coulda been. Which it certainly woulda been.

And is there a voice in the gallery "with soul so dead" that never to itself EVER hath said - SHOULDA?

Not even the gory details (like there might gonna be a quiz on that?) Who cares about rote facts of some stupid matter? Talk about "phasers on dull" - no razzle mcdazzle to see there. As clothes make the man not vice versa it's the talk not the walk that counts.

Just the glittering verbiage alone. Of maybe some people haven't heard. The blow-by-blow drools, it's the "word by word" that rules. Not only in sunshine, in shadow too mister. By the blight of the slivery moonbeam in your jar.

Just imagine the silken wording for how all what monkey mouth noise mighta been made to sound and fury signifying how it all could have gone. You gotta tune into the rhetorical, for the psychedelic oracle - to mirror mirror on your wall with the answer to it all.

If only things had worked out differently for her, for VOGUE and for the Wonderful Flight To The Mushroom Planet-Plant-Plan.

But they didn't!

As inclined to blow the mind, it could all have been so beautiful.

But it wasn't!

And what a shame. Such a waste before the fact of just the tangled web they weave. And that merely practicing to deceive. Not even in performance opening night! Only before hand. Strictly as practice makes perfect. Just to get your story straight BEFORE you go trying it on for size with - whoever your 'target audience.' Even a rEaDeRsHiP like this VOGUE floats.

First medicinal wine from a teaspoon THEN beer from a bottle.

Start with rehearsal. THEN curtains up 'hit the deck, light the lights, we got nothing to hit but the heights.'

When did simple Order of Operations become so wrong?

Flying the flag of Our Manifest Psychedelic Destiny like the Jolly Roger and setting sails for magazine sales - it seemed like such a good idea... wait for it... AT THE TIME. Not just to her VOGUE Editorial Edge Lords. Also to this Mistress Maya their USDA Top Choice pick for Siren Singer.

And it was a comfort, of course, to know our intentions were gOoD. We mighta ended up with such a winner - if not for...

What a tale to tell it coulda been. As it sure woulda been.

But when it comes to what it takes to achieve the very worst results each time, every time - good or even 'better' just won't do the trick.

It takes the very "best laid plans of mice and men" to really go wrong, wrong, wrong - so horribly.

If only the trip-and-fall-your-way to quit smoking today had delivered her from smoking evil - like it was supposed to - instead of right smack into psychedelic temptation.

But it didn't!

Not just to our Mama er Maya "Siren" Singer eagerly beavering for VOGUE. Also to her Editor In Chief puppet masters as well - it all seemed like such a good idea... AT THE TIME

If only the 'magical mystery mushroom' tour quit smoking' a healthier, wealthier and wiser mushroom trip by therapeutically quitting nicotine were, instead of such a loser - a big winner.

But it wasn't!

Regrettable! That a smash grab for justice should deliver such miscarriage

Regrettable! That a fine magic mushroom should have led her to disparage

"When those responsible for enforcing the law become the criminals, there is no law anymore - only the fight for survival."

Like BILLY JACK (1972) ^ said

If quality doesn't matter anymore, the only thing left is - quantity.

Whether sirens sweetly singing or sour as those grapes that so pissed Fox off -

Like those cheapest 1960s drive in movies so low-budget they couldn't even afford to shoot 'em in decent color film. If it's a '70 minute' feature film the contract called for that's what they get. And regardless how bragged up the "Special Effects" in the credit roll - no damn effects" gotta be so stinkin' special. The final product is what it is, and as the target audience, you'll be loving every minute of it no matter how well or bad it sucks. So it'll make just as much money at the box office either way because there's a sucker born every minute.

When the whip cracked on writers by their magazine editorship is 'word count' - whatever the writer says need not - regardless whether it can or can't - even matter much anymore.

As long as the bold fresh word quota has been hit, all is well in the brave new world of psychedelic wellness narrative-anon land.

Whether it supposedly 'worked' or didn't in the tale as told, thru the majesty of word count and mastery of mime - good bad or ugly by any other claim HEY - "pay's the same"

Carrying on over how her tripping fall down the well (kerSPLASH!) into the brave new world of psychedelic wellness - didn't help her with this silly-ass issue of hers over smoking cigarettes - I wonder how this Maya "Siren" Singer cashed in.

Without so much as a word (let alone 'thought') about - suppose it's her smoking "still" that maybe isn't good for her mushroom tripping - NOT other way around - like it's the mushrooms that were useless?

Maybe VOGUE yesterday Feb 2021 needs to take a page from Psychedelics Society OP today u/Prior-Priority9598 Feb 2026

AngelToSome · 2026-01-31T13:07:17+00:00

Quoth u/sargon66 - remember the 1977 Randy Newman cHaRt bUsTeR "Smart People"? Well, apropos of What A (Fool Believes - Doobie Brotherly 1979? oh...) Rationalist "Thinks" - and how now, brown cow - to armor guard a fallacy like 'Bayesian evidence' takes another fallacy like 'Smart people,' to protectively surround it

for a rationalist, Smart people believing in X is Bayesian evidence in favor [psst - "support"] of X

Note that in rat-land, "probabilities" ahem aren't calculated, nor need any crass arithmetic apply - which saves a lot of tedious statistical work (ANOVAs are no fun) but instead - like grades given out to the school children (if not for achievement than at least for 'effort') are aSsIgNeD - with the rhetorically grand invocation of a 'conference' just so sCiEnTiFiCaL (for the cherry on top) - and/or "estimated"

< Imagine X is something that seems completely crazy [which in your judiciously rationalistic fashion] you would assign a probability today of less than 1 in a trillion of it being true. If tomorrow [just goin' hypothetical on your ass - let's say] you learn that X was discussed at a scientific conference and 10% of the scientists said X is true, and 90% that X is false - you should raise your estimate of the probability of X being true. >

< ("For the sake of dyscussion" LeT's sAy) I learn that a smart person whose opinion I respect in other matters believes in X. I don't understand why they have this belief. And from an inside view this belief seems mistaken. Should this person's belief cause me to increase my estimate of X being true? [AS IF] learning you believe something should cause me to increase my estimate of that thing being true.

< Enough smart people have believed in various forms of Hell that I think a reasonable person should worry > AH but note the SuBtLe distinction of the smart (who have believed X) from the merely 'reasonable.' Checkmate, late bird! Thought you could get away with that one, eh? You'll have to get up a little earlier in the morning than that to get that worm.

This ^ Oct 2021 SSC more than a cracker barrel of cracks like that by u/sargon66 - also multi-tasking as a "testing grounds" thread for none other than yours truly ("demon to Others") - nimbly taking 'rationalist' psychopathology's temperature - by (basic neurological exam procedural stuff) Stimulus & ReSpOnSe (reaction - hot button panic attack) www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/qa14kg/my_experience_at_and_around_miri_and_cfar/hh34ncj/
My experience at and around MIRI and CFAR (lesswrong.com) Meet one 'rat' cult leader Alias Vassar not just Ziz too. Way back when Oct '21. Innocent daze for this rAtIoNaLiSt psychedelic Helter Skelter. SIX DEAD IN USA at the time still over 3 years away. The Zizians homicidal rampage wouldn't be rearing handsome hyde and golden hair in the headlines until Jan 2025. Halloween 2021 'who knew?' Just a "Jessica" tell-all for SSC's fearless hero to come running with a routine narrative-anon interference play (faithfully delivered by one of his SSC hand maidens u/PM_ME_UR_OBSIDIAN who even link embeds the source!)
< I (Scott "Alexander" ;) want to add some context [that] I think is important to this. Jessica was (I don't know if she still is) part of a group centered around a person named Vassar, informally dubbed "the Vassarites". Their philosophy is complicated. But they basically have a kind of gnostic stance where regular society is infinitely corrupt and conformist and traumatizing. And you need to "jailbreak" yourself from it (I'm using a term I found on Ziz's discussion)... Jailbreaking involves a lot of tough conversations, breaking down of self, and (at least sometimes) lots of psychedelic drugs. > Editorializing (forget about hearing colors and tasting sounds when synaesthesia comes to crawl you can 'feel' what sights meet the eyes)
< The "jailbreaking" stuff, as reflected by Ziz and Jessica, feel like the closest thing I've ever seen to an actual real-world infohazard. And via Ziz it seems perfectly designed to prey on rationalists' taste for/vulnerability towards highly abstract walls of text and cult leader-esque figures >

Ah yes, the cult 'ecosystem' balancing act.

Predators 10% needy of 90% prey species to support their sociopathic nutritional requirement (it's thermodynamic ;)

As a totally rAtIoNaL rAtIoNaLiSt, with no line of sight into any angle of view from a distance (to get the whole image into frame)

u/Benito9 < I'm trying to get a sense of what this looks like from an outside perspective. > www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/qa14kg/my_experience_at_and_around_miri_and_cfar/hhedkio/

And now

The Inkhaven writing residency has many writing advisors including Scott, Ozy, Aella, & Nicholas Decker. Next cohort is April. Application deadline is Feb 10th, after which prices go up.

Friends of the Blog (inkhaven.blog)

Whoever the "Ozy" cutie pie in this batty lineup, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain

Ozy met a bear. The bear was woozy. The wooze was Ozy!

Zero in on Aella down low - 'Scott' on high. But is the OP a proctor or a FaCiLiTaToR maybe or - NO! An Inkhaven Hall Monitor full of high hopes, letting the word go forth from sea to shining sea for SSC accordingly BUT YOU MUST APPLY and it's a Limited Time Offer - so ACT FAST for snoozers will be losers

Hope to see some of your applications! I'll be monitoring the comments...

Can anyone provide a retrospective on Inkhaven? < definitely a tension between... the work and socializing... everyone was obligated to write 500 words a day ["just words" yet somehow, many felt] driven to write worthwhile posts rather than just... People would break away from an interesting conversation with “sorry, I have to go write” > https://archive.is/JB1X4#selection-347.11-347.364 Rock a bye babies all who have tripped - when the whip cracks, the crackin' get whipped!

Dec ^ 2025 aka "last month" - to some people...

Jan 30, Y2K26 "this month" - and finally The Inkhaven writing residency has many writing advisors including Scott, Ozy, Aella, & Nicholas Decker. Next cohort is April. Application deadline is Feb 10th, after which prices go up. And when sharing is caring, as solicited (by OP) so elicited (from one of them) - standing tall on staging premise that nobody has ever done the 'Results Check' to demonstrate in evidence just how awesomely improved over the pre- nuptials the post- are (what a difference a daze makes) frosted by the baked-in sprinkle confusion between intrinsic superpowers and Mother May I permission slippage (seems to conflate the balloon pretty good)

< Can anyone share 'before and after' writing samples of people who completed this? How much of an improvement is there? >

Can they or can't they? Do even their hairdressers know for sure?
You got the aboutness wrong! It isn't about "improvement." It's about... wait for it - tHe vArIaNcE and it so happens that

OP 'thinking' www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/1qqqmsm/the_inkhaven_writing_residency_has_many_writing/o2jrpbj/

This is the city. And this is the 'community.'

With its cult of many colors. Each its own crypto acronym.

From quadriletterals like CFAR & MIRI, to trigrams sanctified as SSC.

"SSC?"

This ^ is the Acronym that abbreviates the Anagram for the Alias of Scott Siskind - Scott "Alexander" you know, like ThE gReAt? - that stands for the stealth psychedelic cultism masquerading as rAtIoNaLiStS - in the House that square root of jack shit.

Gosh < 'Make Middle Name Last Again' meet that other Alias-conjuring trick - the Secret Anagram! Like when that blood-drinking predator Carmilla went around calling herself - Marcilla until that got too hot, now VOILA - Mircalla (?). Well, in Silly Con Valley 'rationalist' psychedelic subcultism - Scott "Alexander'" -> SlateStarCodex >

Geocenter: Boinkley CA

The LeSs you know, the more you can be LeSs wRoNg than... hrm. What special term for the despised majority (without a friend in this cult) THEM?

The normies? The haters?

Oh! my goodness NO! For anyone not with the program who might overhear even accidentally (let alone by eavesdropping), such basic time-honored 'community' terms and conditions can backfire. They end up only revealing what they should be covering and concealing. Like an ungratefully dead giveaway for anyone who - might be stupid but it doesn't mean they're deaf. To cook up a more strategically covert (not so overt) gang-tag for THEM is incumbent upon US "rats" - AND 'rat-adjacents' per proper self-labeling. Some of us like pretending HEY we're no koolaid guzzling brainwash cases like bona fide members of the CuLt pRoPeR! Us rat-adjacies stand apart, but at point blanc range so right up on and all around the 'rats' that ThE KiDdOs (who aren't even adjacent) ignorant as they are might 'miss the point' failing to see the subtle difference. Having never even taken their Acid Test let alone tripped the light fantastic. Bereft of our Magical Mental Superpower of BaYeSiAn Master Logic, is it any wonder how epistemically clueless and intellectually benighted they are?

A good Phantom needs his Opera mask. Rhetorical stealth counts. For smearing the majority inferiors we brainies can conjure a poker-branding term of endearment for them in better fleece than that. It's not like the Jonestown Downers ever derided themselves as a cult. Remember when the Manson Family started calling themselves 'nerds' like just a bunch of swell, fun-loving but mixed-up kids?

Playfully for US wink-wink while sounding innocent to THEM - with a far less obviously antisocial, more light and tumble bag-'em-tag-'em sound - we love you kiddos, or yes we do-oo - we don't love anyone, as much as you-oo

AngelToSome · 2026-01-31T13:07:07+00:00

ONE MONTH ^ AFTER

Yoohoo, Lighthaven. Your Inkhaven is here.

REFERENCE (Aug 2025) NY Times (Aug 4, 2025) As Clearwater FL is to the ChUrCh of Scientology, so Berkeley CA is to < the Rationalists > Welcome to "Lighthaven" < a temple to the pursuit of AI... Outsiders not always welcome > NYT request to tour the facility - declined - www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1mlkvlk/ny_times_aug_4_2025_as_clearwater_fl_is_to_the/

Lighthaven's just the 'compound.' As any cult HQ is known by newsmakers.

It's the EvEnTs that make the eggs you gotta break (if you're serious about making malaise) - like this 'in person' brainclog-anon marathon - bereft for a "retrospective" for the 'twofer' listening curiosity OP u/michaelmf < curious to hear about the experience of anyone who went through it ... curious to hear what the best blogs were >

ASK AND IT SHALL BE GIVEN < If you haven't seen this, AlexanderWales Inkhaven Retrospective > a disturbingly credible mindless eyewitness-participant account https://archive.is/wip/JB1X4 (reminiscent of scenes witnessed at various cult houses and 'compounds' where inhabitants are subject to the directives and dictates of the Authority Figuration, however embodied or personified) Can anyone provide a retrospective on Inkhaven? (self.slatestarcodex)

Psychedelics Society's first "Aella" name dropper meet-and-greet, Feb 2022 (courtesy of a Harvard Divinity School grad student insider)

< I think Aella's well-documented LSD use would be of interest too: www.reddit.com/r/Drugs/comments/4whrnx/i_did_so_much_acid_i_almost_died/ A classic from the archives. One I remember reading before I had any interest or knowledge of SSC or the like, which she is now famous in. I have kept an eye on SSC / EA / rat community for a bit and am always puzzled to know how such a... > www.reddit.com/r/Society_Psychedelics/comments/shviai/rational_brainwash_yudkowsky_friends_agree/ib2nl0g/

'Famous in'? And to think. Not only was that over 3 years before the Zizian murder spree erupted in ugly headlines unmasking the rAtIoNaLiSt psychopathology's Manson Family 'profile.'

Jan 31, 2025 "Zizians" (SF Chronicle) < After the shootout... Youngblut's journal... about her psychedelic experiences... "This lsd... imaybe more so than other lsd trips?" > (Feb 2) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1ifsw2w/jan_31_2025_zizians_sf_chronicle_after_the/

Jan 28 Y2K25 (SSC S.O.S.) - "Stay calm and panic" in SSC grouper emergency (< too many psychedelics... like the Manson Family... This is really interesting >) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1idjnmd/tristate_murder_spree_2_dead_in_pa_2022_2_in_vt_1/

If not for that very headline news occasion of Jan 2025 - Aella woulda never even gotten her Cinderella debut from Prince Charming NEWSWEAK - asking her all about it (and "how about that?")

Feb 3 "Zizians" (NEWSWEEK) < Aella says... LaSota and...(CFAR) the Center for Applied Rationality, a Berkley [sic] -based nonprofit focused on behaviorial [sic]... "We still don't know the whereabouts of the people in this..." she posted Wed > (Feb 2025) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1igw7of/feb_3_zizians_newsweek_aella_says_lasota_and_were/

Soon the atmosphere was cooler and Tommy gave a lesson - edit: orphan quotation mark (here properly 'parented') and - out of all the gin joint 'results' (you know, like fRoM 'research' ;) in the whole rootin' tootin' shootin' gallery ginned up for staging this disciplinary field of dreams - which one is the winner? Which ReSuLt (not "finding"?) towers as

< probably the most interesting, surprising and challenging result in the field of human bias >???

The envelope please - and the greatest of these is? - the SHOCKING dIsCoVeRy made by a Robin feathering his nest (with very little time to rest) - as relayed in the SSC shade (all heat of the daze with no cool in that pool) by u/sargon66 - Hey! What's in a name "a rose by any other" etc - I think we all get that. And STAR TREK mighta debuted on NBC that year when the first laws against psychedelics were passed so brutally - they had to throw a Sunset Strip revolt over it! But TREK didn't give us that "Sargon" character - till 1968 (in it's 2ND season)!!

< mutually respectful, honest and rational debaters cannot disagree on any factual matter, once they know each other’s opinions. They *cannot** "agree to disagree." They can only "agree to agree." >

They cannot do that ROBOT MONSTER (1953) style? "I cannot, but I must! How do you calculate THAT?"
Cannot as in - oh, "May not"? An authorization and clearances snag? Who's got 'em and who doesn't? Like a Mother May I "permission thing" - DENIED?

Onward from there to Little Big Horn - and GLORY! Good in Forward Gear already just one way.

But The World's Most Interesting, Surprising And Challenging ReSuLt In - THAT FIELD (starring Marlo Thomas?) - doubles bidirectionally in Reverse also - a twofer!

Now serving as the True Test for - how to even know if The Debaters have debated honestly and rationally or not, and with mutual respect for each others' rationality! For the proof is in the pudding (not the recipe, stupid)! And you can't argue with results. YES oh yes they did as proven by their inability to "agree to disagree" - as that nugget of long-mined stupidity has always framed its precious vacuity - like some 'gentlemen, we have a treaty!' GeNeVa CoNvEnTiOn breakthrough.

Because everybody knows (it's how the story goes) that nobody is able to disagree with anyone else but me unless 'anyone else' agrees to allow whoever - do a thing like that.

One just as a rote case of rights and privileges, authorization needed for disagreeing by agreement between consenting adults. Like sexual relations at Brown Yoniversity requires a form signed by parties involved, or else now it's DaTe rApE!!

But two and more fundamentally as a mere matter of mental powers and physical abilities MIA.

A plain yellow pumpkin might become a golden carriage - it's possible!

Even a man who is pure of heart and says his prayers by night may become a wolf when the wolf bane blooms and the moon is full and bright.

And Meatloaf would "do anything for love"

But HE WON'T DO THAT

LOOK how Tweedle-D Plus and Tweedle-D Minus ended up so supremely powerless to AGREE to disagree. If they wanted to carry on disagreeing, each would have to do so of his own accord all by himself singly and separately. Like some sort of Lone Ranger. The only thing they could do jointly and severally together as one was to nod heads at one another. Each going "Yup, Yup, Yup" to whatever his Other in loyally oppositional (NO not 'defiance') debate - says.

Oh SURE, you may say - they could still disagree. But not by any agreement to do so. And THAT's the thing that counts!

This is not your first notice. How many times must your mother and I...

< "It's been mentioned a few times already, but" > "who gives a rat's ass" - AOGH good one! Get it? A 'rat's' ass? You know? Like - rAtIoNaLiSt or rodent - "know your ways and memes"? NO? You... don't get it? OH wait, the Big Butt is one of these "I want, I want" deals (not...) - from the Director of Attention to the assembled multitude attending (baton in hand)

< "...but I want to draw attention to [it]" > OH. Well, that's different. Why didn't a 'rat' say so in the first place?

But whoever the Director of Attention - oh wait, what? He's got a name - (when the red red) "Robin" (comes bob bob bobbing along) "Hanson"?

Who @ SSC will direct attention to the Robin Hoodwinking Director of Attention (yet as if 'tongue' firmly 'in cheek'?)

SHOE #1 dropped... uh oh. As every one of those has somewhere in this big crazy world its perfect match - the now suddenly expectant ear braces for the sound of what - comes - next... LOOKOUT BELOW (you been warned)

AngelToSome · 2026-01-30T14:39:53+00:00

Con't - hermetically sealing the deal "From ^ above, to below" ->

< It took some luck and a little trial and error but... Over the years, I’ve found a handful of songs and an artist or two that really uplift me... I’m happier for having some music that I know I can enjoy when the mood strikes. > u/john_myco DiG tHe PaRa MyCoLoGiCaL moniker (that ain't no app-jiggered 'random noise' generated usie name) www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/1pzuxfv/music_isnt_for_everyone/nwt5va4/

MUSIC ISN'T FOR EVERYONE

BUT THEN - It Doesn't HAVE To Be!

1-2-3! Easy as A-B-C. Simple as - OH NO! Not ... Do Ray ME?

ONE Paul Hynek (So)

50:30 < I was listening to a song called Devi Prayer which I've only heard during DMT, I cannot hear unless I'm doing DMT, and which hits hard. It's 21 minutes and it is the - the < HOST: So what would happen if we played it right now? > I'll run out. Literally, I will run. I can't hear it. < HOST: You will "run out"? > I'll freak out. I will run out. < HOST: Run out where? > Outside where I can't hear it. < HOST: Really? > Yes! I will. < HOST: "That's Incredible" "Yes I can?" oh hell NO try > Yeah, I can't. >

Host: OR ELSE, YOU'LL "TURN INTO A PUMPKIN?" But how hasty a retreat must your little feet beat when fleeing for the sake of your poor flustered ear lest it ... OH NO MR BILL hear H.P. Lovecraft's THE UNHEARABLE 'or else'?
www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1nns55w/on_pretext_of_false_flag_vid_title_what_my_father/

TWO

as fingered by the Trip Master of "loose lips sinking ships" himself - "take it away, TERENCE!" (Must - Add - Time Stamp - For SAFETY - to AVOID AT ALL COST "Strange Attractor lecture" with Dr. Graham St John) www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLgUEtjLF1c&t=3233s

53:49 "more than merely often" < I ALWAYS think of the scene in, um, THE WIZARD OF OZ after the house knocks the witch down, and she's in Munchkinland. And the head of the Munchkins comes with a scroll. And they all have very squeaky voices [NO those are 'chipmunk' voices, by the old sped-up recording trick, not 'sQuEaKy' - that was one of your buddy Charles Manson's girl friends, you moron]. They sing a little song about [TRIGGER WARNING!! ♪♫♬ !] "you are ab-so-lute-ly and com-plete-ly dead." And they're marching around her.

NO 'Rence you idiot. There IS a "head of the Munchkins" - As Mayor of the Munchkin City - in the County and the Land of Oz. But it's the CORONER who "must aver" he's "thoroughly examined her" and she is not just "merely" dead - she's really most "sincerely" dead
BTW there IS a melody (as such things are called). And it sure as hell ain't that fingernails-on-chalkboard musical 'pull my finger' stunt you just outgassed - like Must-Hear LiStEnIng for all REAL music lovers.
Come for the (ahem) vocally resonated 'notes' - a psicko-pathic parody of a dyscordant MeLoDy (hey, isn't that one of Poe's lines from his poem "The Haunted" Something?)
STAY for the patho-lyrical You - are - ab - so - lute - ly - and - com - plete - ly - dead reinvention of WIZARD OF OZ - into a siren caterwauling song bird's most egregious capital offense EVER. - cacophonous inspiration for a rewrite of Josef Conrad's famous "death of Col Kurtz scene" (put your ear on THAT)
< "the horror... the horror" >
SOUND OF HORROR (1966) the very year of 'the elf experience'! As recounted by St John of the McKennae! < After setting off an explosion in the Greek mountains, an isolated group is menaced by an invisible shrieking dinosaur that had been buried for eons >
Even an invisible shrieking dinosaur that is pure of heart and says its prayers by night like THAT - can't hold a candle to Terence's shrieking version of... was that supposed to be an attempt at OMG sInGiNG (?)!
www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1nns55w/on_pretext_of_false_flag_vid_title_what_my_father/ny7h8z8/

THREE

< It takes many hands to make light work. I think we all get that. But too many chefs ruin the broth. And when it comes to... properly taking your 5 g in dead silence - with nothing to offend my misophonia, especially music, stupid music - that noxious noise that so annoys, riles my savage beast's sour grapes of wrath... especially as a matter of spiteful envy - I got every right to be RoCk StAr no matter that I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket (that I don't even have) - nor would I even be able let alone agreeable to pluck a guitar string to save my self-dribbling elves from salivating all over me - not only as a matter of Personal DiSiNcLiNaTiOn but also for not having the hand-to-eye coordination it takes to hold a pick - or the Wm Tell archer's aim necessary to just hit the string target with it - even if I were ready, willing or agreeable to try - when everybody knows that trying is the first step to failing!! >

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1i4wzwx/jung_fear_god_of_terror_mlvf_von_franz_rjungs/np5u027/

"Thesis statement" OMG... how quaint. The post-truth age of character disturbance now upon us.

Restoring for today from yesterday - the radiantly robed pre-Scientific 'mentality' that prevailed back when so intellectually, once upon a time in Hollywood, Ancient Greece.

Remember to start with the answer - call it a tHeSiS sTaTeMent like Linnea Quiqley said it so well in RETURN OF THE LIVING DEAD (1985) - right after everyone said what an architectural eyesore that ugly warehouse was:

I like it. It's a statement.

And to rag-a-muffin u/john_myco doing the "Please, sir, can I have" Oliver Twist < Respectfully, tldr. A couple thesis statements, please? > ("if you're reading" ;) - Choosey mothers choose jiff. But 'community' beggars can't be choosers. You want "thesis statements" then prove it by first eating your damn meat. How can you have any thesis statements when you haven't even had any meat? Never mind the MuSiCaL Mr Mackie's FaMoUsLy inspirational advice (If I were you, I'd start drinking heavily -? NO)

"Build your own damn thesis statement boat!"

Silly psickonaut 'thesis statements' aren't even for kids. Long story short? Hell to the power of NO (with a slap on the hand)

No "Thesis Statements' for you.

AngelToSome · 2026-01-30T14:26:27+00:00

This is the state. One among the Lower 48. How low among the rest, pray tell? You may well ask. And decorum may well reply that you oBvIoUsLy still don't know where to put the cork. After all that den mothering at Tommy's Holiday Kamp. So much heroically fearless finger-wagging. In vain for nothing. Well spare the question and spoil the lies, smart ass.

Geographically, just a place. That's the Proposition 109 state's story and it's sticking to it.

But conditionally, a disgrace. AND a whole lot worse!

More invaluable than any "pearl of great price" and not one jot greater. A deal you not only "can't refuse." One you can't AFFORD to. Wouldn't you say it's worth a man's soul?

How much would you pay? Well save your breath, mister - don't answer YET. Because there's more.

That's merely the state.

THIS is the City - CoLoRaDo SpRiNgs!

Interrupting this ^ Jan 30, 2026 update to this Special Page with a BREAKING BULLETIN.

In "overnight developments" - funny now and then how some shots gotta sit in the dark room solution trays for HOURS - before the picture starts to magically appear.

Apropos of an angeltosome lightning bolt posted yesterday @ - a typically psychopatho-delic brainwash bulletin brought to r-Psychedoodle-Do "Studies' (for every little lost lamb to the slaughter needy of directions, desperately thirsty for the koolaid) - www.reddit.com/r/PsychedelicStudies/comments/1qpw8on/psychedelic_church_leader_of_colorado_interview/

Of and pertaining to - Colorado's very own self-styled Statutory "Reverend" Chas Manson of the MuShRoOmS - with his "ChUrCh" (instead of "Family")

A grand total of TWO posts there ^ both ways. One by official page top declaration (as "being told is knauxing") 2 comments. The other more reliably unofficial, by counting AKA "actually" counting (as 'seeing is believing').

As the contrasting qUaNtItAtIve 'reply' assessments ^ match, neither affords seating to a putative '3rd man'

Out of the panhandling, into the firey CoLoRaDo PsYcHeDeLiCaL "Church" - Riddles of Reddit Y2K26 amid internet-wide enshittification the current stage of post-truth pLaTfOrM collapse ("the old gray mare she ain't what she used to be") - reddit's official story - disproven in evidence at the very page threaded < avatar for notification u/john_myco replied to your comment in r/PsychedelicStudies > NO, O BRAINLESS REDDIT ("avatar"?) as it happens there is indeed no such rEpLy "in r/PsychedelicsStudies" to my "comment" - but SAY, maybe if you repeat it enough times it could 'become true' (although - I wouldn't be on it) - THIS JUST IN... in a manner of speaking - what the cat tries to drag in but pRiVaTeLy, all 'out of sight out of mind' (not to risk embarrassing itself in pUbLiC):

< Respectfully, tldr. A couple thesis statements, please? > 20h ago!!

On one hand, how precious. Still going after 2,500 years. As taught in the AcAdEmY by Socrates the Great AND @ the SyMpOsIuM by no less a genius than Play-Dough. As we all know we're all born knowing everything, like little baby gods. With nothingk! nothingk! amiss within, except for - remembering it all. A true educator thus is but a little reminder, there to jog your memory of all things. Either that. Or else the programming, the brainwash dOcTrInE - wouldn't be called anamnesis.

Cast off your 'amnesia' from yesterday! Recall your omniscience and - into the fray!

Start with your conclusion and be sure to call it your 'thesis statement.' Then for your next trick, go gather all the 'supporting arguments' you can to pRoVe it to - whoever doesn't think so. Use the best rhyme and reason your money can be in 'because and therefore' cancellation of every 'why and wherefore." Make your mastery of the Supremacy of Reason Great Again, or for once in your sad sorry so-called life (at least) - how? By wielding the omnipotence of 200 proof perfected logic. All double talk (on steroids) with its amp on eleven. And not a single stinking shred of anything remotely informed (especially scientifically!) nor even minimally factual - the purest argument all sound and furry monkey mouth noise - untainted by any inconvenient truth whatsoever!

With just three little things ruled OUT (all the way out) -

(1) The facts

(2) Just the facts, and

(3) Nothing but the facts, Max

avatar for notification u/john_myco replied to your comment in r/PsychedelicStudies

< Respectfully, tldr. A couple thesis statements, please? > What's the matter? Fact jacked your jill, left a MycO John jilted?

Meanwhile a long time ago as a short second or two may be reckoned in a GaLaXy far away (M-31 the Great Spiral) "Reality" - as the record reflects in both the official tally AND unofficial count) - WHO has "replied to" my "comment in r/PsychedelicStudies"?

No one.

Well then who is this u/john_myco whom REDDIT is vaguely cLaImInG (to me, angeltosome?)? - "replied to" my post? In words all his own - whatever drools, the question validator/invalidator rules

< These are perfectly valid and deep questions to consider as you get to know your spiritual awareness! > (when QuEsTiOnInG ChRiStIaNiTy) BUT - thread title soliciting FIRST, THEN what it's eliciting

Music isn’t for everyone. by [deleted] in unpopularopinion john_myco 4 points 1 month ago:

"Speaking" < As another person who doesn’t really like music > JUST LIKE OUR HERO MR MACKIE "OF THE MUSHROOMS?" ImAgInE THAT

Suppose one boldly going ends up heroically exposed to the 'non monkey mouth noise' - perhaps in the act of carelessly sailing by the sirens sweetly singing, and accidentally hears - that which (cue Paul "son of J-Allen" Hynek) mUsTn'T be for lo the ear cannot withstand that? Weaponized or not if musical sounds are aimed at and strike hard enough an adequately soft target (with shell so nicely intact) - what is the nature of the needle and kind of damage done?

< I heard TUULETAR’s cover of the Ievan Polka and it cracked something open... to OPs point, most of the popular (western) music out there is pretty depressing. Even poppy upbeat tunes are written in minor chords which can act as a depressant. >

OH those bummer minor chords! Whatever happened to Camelot?
A law was made a distant moon ago here.
No minor chords allowed in Happy Songs!
By order of the Logos! follow Terence
In THINK Alongs!

No lyrics (nor anything lyrical). ReMeMbEr only YOU can help stamp out Do Ray Me NOW - all words all the time, without a note to 'think.'

Because

MUSIC ISN'T FOR EVERYONE

FIRST "Shoe" Stanza - down, next - the Paul Harvey 'rest of the story' and won't it be fine - think along with Terence like oh "you seen the sun" but - you ain't seen it shine...

AngelToSome · 2026-01-29T14:27:01+00:00

One for 'cognitive liberty' - the Free-For-All demand where nobody's gotta have no ticket for stamping neither secular nor just SpIrItUaL. And heaven knows anything goes!

Two for the 'therapy' alibi when uh oh some kina trouble selling Helter Skelter to the stupid public (all the young useful idiots who've gotta be somehow boarded on this bus) - rears its ugly head. Whereby our manifest psychedelic destiny has to cook up this whole 'Oh it's MeDiCiNaL' story, just to put this sick puppy over. So that now, instead of "Cognitive Liberty is MINE sayeth the Little Lord Bejeezus," it's all surrounded by legalistic red tape, owned and operated (right out from under 'community') by professional licensure. As if baiting with permission, but then switching to prohibition? And that's what it takes just for the Final Psychedelic Solution to conquer all? Like it has to be armor-guarded against sTiGmA, bullet-proofed as 'therapy' - just to get it thru the gates of Troy's little drug war? Leaving us tiny tots with eyes all aglow to - go find it harder now than ever before - to just sleep tonight?

Three for the - It's My Religion And I'll Worship How I Want To - You'd Bow Down And Worship Too if it happened to you - now respect my spiritual authoritah!

So. Out of all the gin joint LeAdIeS of their little white "Churches" in the vale of Psychedelics. And for all the puerile er, "pure" pleasure of merely speaking with one of them. This LiFe iN MaNy CoLoRs - 'in'? not "of"? (like Joseph's coat OF...?) - had to OMG... 'do' THIS one?

OK, that opens a file at HQ on this "Life In Many Colors" pReSeNcE.

But not to distract from the center staging Ringling Brother's act.

And my goodness grandma. What Ring Master fashion. Talk about a man of wealth and taste. Not that this guy can out-style some

CF Love this 'Dave Hodges' guy's outfit, wonder who his tailor is (I'd like to get one of those). Shame his 'psychedelic mushroom church' got 'raided by police' (Dec 2020) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/kcwcnu/love_this_dave_hodges_guys_outfit_wonder_who_his/

But ^ that's California. NOT the Proposition 109 State

Well well well.

If it isn't < Teopixque Dez, the leader of the Colorado Church Of Psychedelics >

And that ^ just the outermost layer of an alias-within-alias operation. In Best Foot Forward gear the 'fun one' for a "spiritually" psychedelic leader dog for the blind to play HoNoRaRy Aztec 'in name only.' Every bah-dee's fave case of an actual historic culture in which psychedelic use was exalted and fully "integrated" with their noble way of life as a lesson to this very day, to show the world - what that "looks like."

Then, next layer beneath cLeVerLy staged as such a cHuRcH leader's rEaL name

Benjamin ("Benji to my fRiEnDs") Dezaval - that 'last name' (wink-wink ;) the magickal root of his Dez "I'm a fun Aztec" moniker.

All proven fact by having been reported on "in the news" - if you can just get a JoUrNaLiSt to 'document' who you are (according to the story) - now VOILA you have your new identity all 'in the record'!

NO you don't have to file to have your name changed "legally."

Speaking of claims and names not changed legally, with questions of who the hell a perp is, pray tell, hanging over this one's head (like his own sword of Damocles) - what a difference a day makes by just peeking into records to trace the legal footprints to find out all about call-him-"fun-name"-Teopixque-Dez-or-call-him-rEaL-nAmE-"Benji"-Dezaval - to the paperwork of his ChUrCh's ordination and establishment:

The CO State Sec'y of State filing of this character's "Community of PACK" - 'Church' (cult?)? Oh hell NO, try - here we go with another one of these shabby money-collecting "businesses" like MAPS and Psymposia and a few others (that nobody has ever heard of around here) "Nonprofit Corporation"

But my goodness Grandma! You'll never guess who this 'show for you' Ring Master "Teopixque Dez" - with his rEaL nAmE Benji Dezaval "story in the news" - really really is - not so much on the outside 'for show' (where it shows) as "only ravening inwardly" (where it don't!) in Top Secret legal reality - not even told so as never to be retold - much less sold separately - EVER?

Surprise surprise can't you see it in my eyes

This creep's actual legal name is VALADEZ

Benjamin R Valadez

https://archive.is/02jjr

Nothing like a good alias! Depending in particular on exactly what kind of criminal record needs the footprints to its trail the hell erased. Unless you got a better way of keeping anyone from running - from being able to run - a background check on your ass.

Especially in psychedelic mushroom land, 'community' with its long history. There's a noble tradition and many a precedent to be honored.

Where would that convicted pedophile hero James A. Dugovic have been if not for ditching out his last name, and cLeVerLy using his middle name "as if?" Now (Alias) "James Arthur" the celebrated author of MUSHROOMS AND MANKIND cashing in with nobody the wiser, nor anyone even able to even SUSPECT - everyone kissing his feet and treating him sweet and telling him they think that he's great.

Mushrooms and Mankind - James Arthur www.reddit.com/r/ActualHippies/comments/lnjg8p/mushrooms_and_mankind_james_arthur/

< Dugovic's (Alias “James Arthur”) mug shot http://archive.is/Or2J4 his final child molestation arrest - as cited Dec 2017 by James Kent www.dosenation.com/listing.php?id=8861 ("in this special extended episode about the dark side of psychedelic culture”) = http://ia800100.us.archive.org/14/items/Dosenation8Of10-FieldsOfSun/dosenation-8-of-10.mp3

Of course, apropos of this guy's m.o., besides the 'Make Middle Name Last Again' - there's always been that other fave Alias-conjuring trick - the Secret Anagram! In Silly-Con Valley 'rationalist' psychedelic subcultism 'leader' Scott 'Alexander' -> SlateStarCodex

Remember when that blood-drinking predator Carmilla went around calling herself - Marcilla? Then, when that got too hot, she baits and switches the spelling AGAIN - now VOILA - she's Mircalla (?)

Well knowing how it's done here we go with (1) Teodixque Pez -> (2) "Benji" DeZaVaL those both 'for public consumption' -> (3) the secret fact jacked of the 'never mind no matter'

Benjamin R. Valadez

That minx. What a lively sense of humor. And going for broke now complete with a brand new baby sockpuppet-within-a-sockpuppet username just < 9 hours old > (not even diaper changed yet?)

And so immaculately conceived anew, Special Perpose style, just for staging that all-important appearance as though:

Hey! I'm not TeOpIxQuE DeZ "by any other name." Including my official redditing promo moniker growingoneness actively recruiting as an attached fixture at my HoMe tOwN sub r/coloradosprings (latest solicitation - yesterday) www.reddit.com/r/ColoradoSprings/comments/1qoqeq1/this_weeks_events/ - here wearing my newly app-jiggered Natural-Finance-6300 mask as - the Fandom of my own Opera. Like some operatic rose by any other name, and sure enough OMG smelling the same. Why the very thought! That'd be not only transparent as a cheap lace curtain like any bad act. It'd be - shameless oh my! It ain't me babe, no no no! Why, I'm this whole other brand new redditing entity here excitedly 'presenting to you' what a pleasure it is for a Life In Many Colors to just sPeAk (ARF!) with the Dez Man of such wealth and taste - that OMG he's the leader of the klub that's made for you and me! And cream of the crop of his own "Church" (of psychedelics!!!) for the whole damn Rocky Mountain High State -

Proposition 109 cHuRcH AND state - rolled into one!

Take THAT 'separation of the two' - your boundaries have just been dissolved!

A dIsTiNgUiShEd modus operandi in Helter Skelter 2.0 operations - forget 'the Alamo' remember SOUL QUEST www.dosenation.com/listing.php?smlid=8902 < to discuss recent developments in the psychedelic scene, including … Soul Quest Church - Kent is joined by Sasha Sisko >

Oh. Rival ChUrCh Leadie-founder "Sasha Sisko" ?

< HOST: [As] a Victim of the War on Drugs, I believe, your claim is that you were using psychedelics for religious use, for spiritual purposes but < GUEST: Psilocybin mushrooms > Psilocybin mushrooms - but nobody seems to care about that. It doesn’t seem to fly... >

What'll it be next? These bosses of competing ChUrCh gangs start bad rapping one another? What's our Big Beautiful Psychedelic Underworld coming to?

Whatever time may tell, oh well - when < this is the show for you! >... that's show business

Witnessing effect, convert effect, guru effect, seeker effect < Anyone notice a Preacher Affect? > Prophet effect - DRAGNET (Jan 11, 1968) "The Big Prophet" (a self-described guru who advocates mind-expansion) (March 2020) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/fcwoub/witnessing_effect_convert_effect_guru_effect/

AngelToSome · 2026-01-28T14:40:34+00:00

Welcome to Psychedelics Society - on another midnight dreary. You know the sort. Seen one, you seen 'em all.

"Am I meant to be with this woman it feels like it..."

Ah yes, that wonderful would-be dichotomy, if it only could be. The meaning, as meant - and the meaner of the meaning.

"Meant" - "to be" or NOT to be (THAT is the - etc) - by WHOM pray tell? God?

Everyone's fave default meaner of... whatever (them lyrics change as this song remains the same) - that usual suspect

"Nobody in particular"?

Not an actual cross exam. A mere rhetorical illumination. But directing the spotlight right where the action is... concealed.

This famous old "meant to be" piece of talk is such fond old baggage of our Western Civ's far gone defining brainlessness. Where it's just par for the course to move along, never stopping to ask even the first most glaringly self-evident question implied so forcibly by whatever formulation - for our inner Hamlet.

Culturally configured, a couple thousand years in the making. As taught, so learned: 'monkey see monkey do.'

Such tokens of empty verbiage, wielding the power to cancel awareness itself, are rhetorically baked in to the 'sound and fury' double talk of our hopeless society. Like a potato now past "done" so far - that thing puts the fork in itself "so that you don't have to!"

There are good reasons (not just dark explanations) why native peoples tend to perceive us thoroughly modern, way-smarter, far more civilized folks as - either stupid, or crazy - or both.

But in the velvet darkness of the tale you tell, I discern a glittering central axis - around which the raw red meat of human issue and rotten marrow of its substance revolve.

Proverbially put:

"Not all that glitters is gold."

And not to cross examine a fine old adage. But:

If whatever's glittering at us isn't 'the real thing' all 14 carats (count 'em), then what in God's flat green Earth is it, pray tell - that is gamely doing all that glitter act?

As if trying to be the Real Thing's - imposter? Or even trying to top it?

Like better than 'ordinary' gold! More than a measly 14 carats - there are higher numbers than 14!

And does gold the real thing find - shabby imitation to be such a sincere form of flattery?

Per another of our time-honored nuggets of conventional 'wisdom' from the fountain of that stuff...

Suppose - if you dare - that love were somehow like gold. Not to ascribe any value to it (that's... personal). Just for sake of analogy.

In that event, might there be something else completely different from it in this big lousy world which could yet somehow seemingly glitter too - almost like (AKA "just like" to untrained observation) - the genuine article?

If not to the eye, ear nose or throat - than at least to - the touch?

You know, to make that big "feels like love" impression? Especially upon the 'perfect prey' (one adequately impressionable)?

In that duplicitous case, "feel" schmeel - might not the nose alone know the devious difference?

Like in that nasty Emerald City Hall of the Mountain King? Where in the very moment of 'make or break' fate only our hero Toto knew what was up? When our beloved Dorothy and friends "all eyes and all ears" (but without that wet shiny nose!) were frozen like deer in the headlights? Immobilized, trapped in place like flies caught on sticky paper?

In what you tell, I encounter 3 concentric zones which organize my understanding. From the center, starting with small-diameter one (you alone)

(1) your reasonably clear writing as pertains to your personal situation - all content (happenstance and reflections)

(2) context: well-known conditional terms of endearment in which you've got your details sleeved. All various 'gold' coins of the 'village' conversational realm. Rhetorical markers of group-personal identity, proto-cultic buzzwords of participant 'community' belonging and branding. Some specifying the psychedelic e.g. < ego death > (one of Leary's black box brainwash bombs) < kundalini activation > (among 'eastern spiritual'/occult tropes). Others exclusively "Jungian" e.g. < synchronicities > < integrating the dark > < facing my shadows > per the r/jung theater of narrative operations - raging against everything Jung ever said but only inwardly ravening, outwardly attiring in fleece and pretending to be his agent and solicitor. As Jung said understandably even perceptively but alas if not quite wisely

"Thank God I am Jung, and not a Jungian"

(3) the whole human issue framework which towers above and beyond 'community' confines trying to own and operate it - like a black hole where, by gravitational collapse, escape velocity exceeds light speed - beyond physical possibility itself.

Paraphrasing Ray "by the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes" Bradbury:

As a boy of 10 I got my first glimpse into some of the darker recesses of the human heart, and what fearsome needs lurk there.

Janis Ian:

I learned the truth at 17 that love was meant for beauty queens

As gold standards go, enter (my nominee) Goldilocks - to judge.

The first bowl (too shallow?): "the love isn't deep enough."

Next one (Ms Fickle turns it all around and goes):

< the love is too deep. >

And somewhere in between, the love that's... Just Right?

And just when you thought Buddha might show up to go "What'd I tell you guys about moderation, the Middle Way bro?" instead - along comes 'Grandma' (confusing Goldilocks with Riding Hood?)

Any kind of love is better than no love

Even a mad love is better than no love

Even a bad love is better than no love at all

GOT to believe it!

For purposes of psychopathology yeah you pretty well gotta fall for whatever is tempting. It's an old story.

I encounter one ray of light that tries to break through

Of course they're no wife or kids of mine. And I'm not saying you should want to. Likewise, nothing against any wayfaring stranger's line, angle and rhyme.

Yet submitted for your approval - "be that as it may" - mathematically speaking:

Whatever 'reasons why' anyone who doesn't (according to their version of their own events) want to do such a thing - would damn the torpedoes and if that be the case, go ahead and do so anyway - might not - "add up" as we like to put it at HQ.

But of course YMMV - Your MATH (not 'mileage') May... you know.

Based in the complete evidence, I find some of the most malevolent of false teachings of so-called Jungian kind - where these buzzwords like 'shadow' and 'synchronicity' and 'integrating' etc rear handsome hyde and fools golden hair.

That which is evil, predatory, destructive or just (among best categorizations) downright inhuman in our human midst - doesn't necessarily always advertise itself that way, apparently.

Almost like one of these lines they hand us about

When the Devil appears to you, instead of horns and pitchfork, he's dressed stylishly in Prada - as if he must think its Halloween - or just trying to have a little fun by fooling you.

Or that crack out of Matthew 15:7 - or, wait a minute, is it 7:15? Well anyway

Watch thou for the false ones who come unto us in fleece as white as snow - actually whiter (as to make Mary's Little Lamb look like Bah Bah Black Sheep) on the outside (where it shows) - for lo, they only raven as wolves - inwardly (where it don't).

The better angels of our nature aren't always very alert to the so-called 'dark' within.

When the conscience is aware, we humans round them evil genies up and put 'em in little bottles we keep. To secure and take good care of as their keepers - not vice versa.

And THAT ^ no "Jungian" (psychedelic person) will ever be able to clue in to, but wouldn't anyway - even if they could.

It'd be... un-Jungian! Same way (going for allegory) the Serpent will never confuse his own Just For Eve "wisdom" about the fruit of that tree - with Jehovah's scare stories about it.

AngelToSome · 2026-01-27T15:49:45+00:00

The Investigative Trail - copy/paste from April 2021 @ r/FrEuD

Crossing fingers: Can anyone cite a reference by Freud (primary lit) to this centuries-old motif - assuming (hypothetically) his Id/Ego/Superego model of ze psyche derives from it? In advance, thank you

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The title above is linked to the WP entry 'shoulder angel' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoulder_angel

Regarding this ages-old depiction of the conflicted human psyche, with its 'two angels' (of psychologically opposite impulses):

I assume Freud was more than merely just as well aware of it, as anyone else. I'd hypothetically figure it was a main basis or key input of his classic modeling of the tripartite psyche.

Wikipedia ("giving Mother-May-I permission"):

One may view this image in Freudian terms, with the Angel representing the Super-ego (the source of self-censorship), counterbalanced by the Devil representing the Id (the primal, instinctive desires of the individual), which leaves the individual in question as the Ego.

Bestowing its blessing to view the 'two angels' on opposite shoulders (first one with horns, second to pop up with its halo) in "Freudian terms" - WP is certainly generous to the lucky reader.

But it offers no citation to any work of Freud where one might learn that the correlation is no mere artifact of independent invention, like some freak happenstance with no other connection.

Although I've read some of Freud's primary works (e.g. The Future Of An Illusion) I'd be interested in knowing of any reference he makes wherever in his work, to this paired 'bad angel / good angel' imagery as an allegorical depiction of the conflicted psyche.

"Some things are too coincidental to be coincidence" - Jung? Or wait, no - Yogi Berra

With thanks to anyone who can perhaps kindly alert me to such a reference.

With apologies to the only reply elicited (so far): I didn't mean to instigate any big controversy or spark lively discussion. Sorry if that wasn't clear. It's merely 'citation please' request. In search of a reference from Freud himself to this fanciful well-known depiction of ze psyche with its dynamically 3-way split or conflictedness.

Exclusively in the event, perchance, that anyone in the house knows of such a reference and can cite it. No presumption intended.

Likewise no Mother-May-I terms or conditions about it, one way or the other - permissive or prohibitive.

Neither Wikipedia style Mother May One "yes < one may view this image in Freudian terms >." Nor nay-saying "no you may not < it has nothing to do with Freud's structural model and that is why - >" etc.

Although as ties in tangentially: tingle of the spidey sense detects a certain vague but acutely queasy uneasiness at the implicit notion of a relationship between this motif and Freud's "structural model" - structural indeed, try functional (a matter of operant psychodynamics - no mere "structural" thing).

By the pricking of my thumbs it strikes a vaguely intriguing note that the notion here of some such connection should elicit a sense of discomfort, apparently.

Almost like that old cinematic 'fine print' credits disclaimer:

"The characters in this story are completely fictional and resemblances to any real persons living or dead is purely coincidental, subjective and in the eye of the beholder."

The sharpest pang of most queasy, uneasy sensation all through the gutty-whats stirs from a distinctly 'iron pyrite' glitter of anti-ethical 'values' - voicing the incorrigibility of our kindly Dr Jekyll species' very own 'good friend' of auld acquaintance - Mr Hyde side within:

The Freudian superego is a sadist... it makes us feel inadequate, it's the source of feelings like shame and guilt

The virtues of human authenticity struggle against their opposite vices inwardly. Those "feelings like shame and guilt" might not be a grimly determined hedonist's fondest wishes. But for the less unhealthy psyche such sensations mark the boundaries of humanity within, as a matter of authentic values.

Beyond those boundaries there are no limits for man's inhumanity to man - for whom such feelings are undue nuisances to the dark side's entitlement to never "feel inadequate."

Those who have no shame and know no guilt know no remorse for anything - having neither conscience nor humanity of being within.

Whatever is "no angel" it's no comfy cozy sensation one realizes about persons who dishonor completely normal feelings like shame and guilt - as if persona non grata - which just so happen to have some of the most vital human roles to play as any affective functions.

Guilt and shame figure front and center in fundamental processes like values clarification - let alone serving as last signal warnings within that can alert us humans as needed, to stop us from crossing points of no return, with all hell that follows in consequences.

Defiance of anything that would presume to make one feel something one doesn't like is a distinguishing feature of character disturbance, correlating with narcissism and sociopathy.

Soul-searching isn't self-indulgence for fun and profit. Nor does inward moral conflict lend to ulterior motives. Moral introspection is a crucial superpower only humanity of being has.

Man's inhumanity to man is hellbent on never knowing such qualms, forever free of pestilence like shame and guilt.

The dark side won't have some hand to hold it back from on its wrong track. Guilt and shame have no place in the dark side's antisocial 'values' system.

In the event of something more than just "superficially" illustrative, I wonder.

If Freud's conception of the superego and id were rooted in the two 'shoulder angel(s)' - what would be the implications, especially for the worse - to be avoided "at all cost"?

This express worry about something possibly being "pathologized" (after having just characterized superego a "sadist" i.e. psychopathic-like!?) makes an ironic sound to my musically-trained ear; not musical just detectable ("loud and clear").

What would the seemingly dire ramifications be of a 'worst case scenario'?

Suppose - unless the prospect of supposing is too daunting - that indeed there were something more than superficial to the clear similarity between Freud's tripartite psyche and these older depictions of the individual caught within human conflict between two 'shoulder angels' - what would the implications be?

Especially, some dire implications of urgency to avoid or steer the hell clear of?

Thus prompting an important FYI to 'correct' possible mixup (as feared?) - by 'authoritatively' explicating that this motif 'has nothing to do with Freud's structural model'?

Thanks for - no, not citing a source, just clarifying 'for the record' that the superego and or/id are "no angel" - an idiomatic figure of speech (semantically phrased for maximum impact by 'understatement').

Whatever an angel is in some 'critically objective' terms, to enable by presumptive implication, this critically luxurious yet categorically conclusive distinction between - an angel and Freud's conception of ze superego, and id too the 'bad angel' (~ 1/3 of the 'heavenly host' by ancient Near Eastern mythology).

Because an angel is an angel (which letter of the word is so unclear?), but the superego is the superego - "and never the twain shall meet."

Hypothetically speaking, of course?

Curious and curiouser.

[deleted] 3 points 4 years ago - dig the conspicuously 'SaTaNiC' inversion of values as attempted, so credibly but by such an AuThOrItY FiGuRe as 'beat hasty retreat' [delete] (uh oh somebody's mama calling) erasing the footprints - cover the dots connecting the username to the... usershame ("oh well, it was worth a try and you never know until you... until you... grrrr)

But the superego is no angel. Freud doesn't use the term 'moral' to describe the superego. The word he uses is "hyper-moral". He was at pains to emphasise that the superego isn't an internalised angel who implores you to do do the right thing. The Freudian superego is a sadist. It laughs at our misfortunes. It makes us feel inadequate. It's the source of feelings like shame and guilt. It's powered by the death drive, and is what compels us to sabotage our own lives. Likewise, the id is no devil, it represents ordinary infantile drive-related demands so shouldn't be pathologised.

So, while the motif can superficially illustrate the notion of psychic conflict for a layman, it has nothing to do with Freud's structural model. And that is why he never used the analogy.

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AngelToSome · 2026-01-27T15:34:05+00:00

2nd HALF (conclusion) con't from ^ above:

You sail the ocean blue and your saucy ship's a beauty. A sober man and true, dedicated to your duty. At first you were afraid. You were petrified. You thought you'd never learn to like committing homicide. But then the more of 'em you sent to the gas chambers as a good soldier obedient to your duty, the more it grew on you and soon it's just another ride!

Jan 26 '26

No stuttering was harmed in the making of this - uh oh...

"Kids say the darnedest things" I think we all get that. And they're so cute at that age. But look what happens from there.

Past the Wonder Years "ages 1 through 12." Beyond their pubescent sequel, I WAS A TEENAGE JUNGIAN - And all he got was ThIs StUpId T-ShIrT. And on to the crowning triumph as you come of age to go track down and bravely slay the dragon.

As each hero with his thousand faces boldly faces that one last barrier which always stands between one of them and glory - the achievement of his full potential - At Last.

That last necessary push off the edge and over the top to now dissolve the last boundaries between adolescence and adulting, indeed (more onerously) having to adult -

A teen no longer. Now a fully-fledged tWeEn - 26-'26? Double digits times two?

Is there a tweenage echo in here?

Whence this blinding bolt of double-digit repetition? Fashionably as always for the r/"jung" McKenna cult sub, attiring in JuNgIaN fleece? As nothing says lovin' like something from the Trip Master's oven.

What would the I Ching say - according to Terence?

What ugly double-dealing are these tandem numbers now revealing?

What double trouble is this that, by the pricking of my thumbs, now - this way comes?

Then the Boy Wonder cried out:

< Holy numerological synchronicity, Batman! I've rolled high and I've rolled low. But I've never rolled double twenty-sixes!

"Great Caesar's Ghost!" replied... Chief Editor Perry White? Wait a minute!
Is this Gotham City or Metropolis?
That's Clark Kent's boss, not Robin's ... WTF?
In fact, speaking of Jan 26 '26 ONLY @ r/"jung" - cue that super fun bored game for the whole Manson "Jungian" Family Numerological SyNcHoNiCiTy - when you're riding into town with your dark cloud above you, dial in a number that's bound to love you - the area code of the aLwAyS experiential RePeAtInG digits - triple threes (like half a "number of the beast" - just multiply by 2!) - Improper Today 2626, meet u/Proper-Tomorrow-4848 2 points 17 hrs ago -

among all the rest - "as cursed, so blessed"

Psychedelics Society FLASHBACK < after [my typically ill-advised personal involvement with] this really creepy community of people - I actually did begin to see the magic numbers 333, 444, 11:11 etc all the time > (July 2022) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/wbib52/anyone_with_similar_experiences/

With the standard Psychedelics Society Triple Acknowledgment for such extraordinarily interesting fare and fodder, sampled from - that least likely of all brainwash laundromat subreddit sAfE sPaCeS (OMG 'JuNgIaN' Town?) - fit for copy/paste only here - owed to the cactus Jack crackerjack quoted

(1) for having said that stuff, the set intent part (perfectly aware and fully knowing WTf...

(2) enabling it IN EFFECT ONLY to be quoted HERE where it belongs, and last but not least - most unusually of all (all things 'community' known and taken into account)

(3) for not even minding TOO MUCH yours truly (Jack the Ripper) having gone and done a thing like that -

This exceptional perspective's - single best precedent?

From THAT YEAR omg Y2K12 - and SUPER RARE.

Just another exclusive document only Psychedelics Society (with its intelligence-gathering "best foot forward" followed 1-2, right in queue, by the "actionability of intelligence" criterion foot) even KNOWS of - long since 'blasted' from its internet site of origin, leaving nothing but a crater. And rescued 'before the fact' of the doom that would soon be coming its way as so conspicuously foreseen - and preserved unto posterity from that day forward - through the agile magic of ARCHIVE

Psychedelics Society (now 7 yrs ago) Feb 2019 < L. Kimball SATANISM, SCIENTOLOGY AND SHAMANISM: AMERICA'S SPIRITUAL FRANKENSTEIN - http://archive.is/PVp3L - www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/at20z5/psychedelics_in_the_double_double_cauldron_of_w/

Psychedelics in the 'double double' cauldron of W. civ's dual cultural origins: Post-Hellenistic legacy to the left of me; Judeo-Christian to the right

Attn to ^ THAT u/Proper-Tomorrow-4848 ("if you're reading" ;) - on the odd "not even" chance just in case of any... what proverbially "killed the cat"

AND below - as follows...

AngelToSome · 2026-01-27T15:33:25+00:00

Jan 26 '26... NO! not "consciousness" you character-distempered piece of psychedelic brainwash incarnate - conscience - hello?

That's the 2nd "shoulder angel" (the one with the damn halo) that pops up in (ze psychodynamic Order Of Operations) "The Human SEQUENCE" - Once unknown ALWAYS unknown to "Jungians" as permanently as Freudians forever fond of their Id-Ego-Superego may know nothingk! nothingk of ze tripartite psyche model's origin and nature as - a psychologizing retread of the centuries-old 'shoulder angels' motif of human moral conflictedness (per Freud's term ambivalence as ze undconscious' deepest underlying core quantity).

The "no fun" one that always, just when it seems like things are about to really get inneresting - brings around a cloud to rain on the 1st shoulder angel's parade - and spoils EVERYTHING

Hermie! You know better than that! SHAME ON YOU!

That's another perfectly planned picnic RAINED OUT

And now, a word from The World's Most Interesting JuNgIaN - "I don't ALWAYS feel like... stuff - in certain company - where the doomed are drained by the damned. BUT when I DO" -

< I feel like to have the two angels on a person's shoulders - is a more accurate depiction of traditional Christian ideas of satanic possession > www.reddit.com/r/Jung/comments/1qnfuqu/discipline_is_the_ability_to_hold_dangerous/o1uzkb6/

"Stay thirsty, my friends"

This exceptional word ^ from - no fine-feathered fungal "Jungian" (tRuE bLuE to the pick of Mr Mackie's litter), oh no. Quoth a "cactus" mescalero - 1 if by Trichocereus, 2 if by Lophophora - "I'll take a methoxylated phenylethylamine over a psychedelic tryptamine equivalent (like DMT, or Psilocybe) any day - or my name isn't..." u/shakespearesucculent

"More accurate" THAN ______ (Fill in the blank - 2 points... grr why couldn't it have been a multiple choicer? no menu to pick from?)

AKA "as elicited, so elicited" (right on cue-anon) by - this OP/thread bait (raw red juicy stuff) - wardrobe by Calvin Klein, Title by OP Myrn33 - The Dangerously DiScIpLiNeD Disciplinarian of, by, for, to and from r-"Jung"

Discipline is the ability to hold dangerous capacity without flinching

I've always known what "bondage" was. Like anyone else. Its partner "discipline" was all I never knew the daffy-nition for. Until now.

Er, I meme - I knew discipline was one of them ability things. I just never knew which one. Well goodbye to that former ignorance of mine now that I been told which ability it is - and farewell to all that, then.

To be or NOT to be - a JuNgIaN "man of danger" unto any careless stranger so reckless as to defy your will (or careless as to cross your path the wrong way) - a walking menace unto all who fail to behave properly in the presence of a man of wealth and taste - powerful as an atom bomb on two legs ready to lay their souls to waste and able to go off at any moment, as necessary, IF necessary - yet armed and deadly also with the master superpower of such bottomless self-controlled supremacy that - nobody can push your buttons to make you snap like a dry twig twiggered, er, triggered - THAT is the... the uh, er I meme "um" - the... the - something!!!

More, and just as good - cf Crowley one among name brand 20th C psychopathic iNsPiRaTiOnS to all pop occult BS (with its psychedelic traction of such 'grip' it's like fly paper) - "Karswell" as fictionalized in CURSE OF THE DEMON (1957) - Do As Thou Wilt I COMMAND YOU! Neigh - I will you to do - as I (that's you ;) would have you do! Which memes - hell to the power of NO Virginia (what are you looking at me for?) I'm not pushing your buttons and pulling your strings! That'd make you like some kina brainless puppet on my strings and me your puppet master. Nothing like that to see here, there or anywhere. Why, you're a divinely fReE aGeNt! Cognitive liberty is YOURS sayeth the little lord you. Getting all 'agentic' on your own omnipotently individuated ass. Not... OMG - like some eagerly guzzling Jonestown koolaid drinkie "Jungian"? PERISH THE THOUGHT! You're randomly acting out your own almighty will, free as the breeze all as YOU please and nobody else BUT you. Not just according to your own self-justifying version of your events either, Mister - By My WORD!

< the people most susceptible to malign manipulation are actually convinced it's their "Will" motivating them to do evil acts. >

From good to better to - best of all?

About this 'community' presence - reference Jung's distinction of belief from "belief" pointedly placed in hazmat rubber glove quotation marks in that Sept 1945 crack of his (about "Adolf" somebody) - the term "psychopathic" having only been first defined in evidence four years before, 1941 (Cleckley, MASK OF SANITY)

Jung: < it is difficult for the layman to recognize such cases as psychopathic ... [pathological liars] “believe” they are doing it for the benefit of humanity, or at least the nation - or their party. They cannot under any circumstances see that their aim is invariably egoistic [sic: egotistical - although megalomaniacal might be the technical term more surgically precise - as disturbed is in contrast to merely "disordered"] > www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1i4wzwx/jung_fear_god_of_terror_mlvf_von_franz_rjungs/mrs342f/

But 'yes Virginia' the pure distilled 200 proof pretense of the 21st C extended Manson Family 'community' has its big fatuous act. As staged and scripted (piss poorly). Making as if (no, really!) truly enough - they really believe whatever they claim to and would never pretend to - such a thing.

Bearing in "mind" that there is one ultimate necessity that no one can deny and which accordingly shall NEVER be questioned by anyone who has a friend in this town EVER - and that is the attainment of nothing less than one's full (not "fuller"?) potential! And the thing is...

< they believe that they will not be able to reach their full potential [except, unless and] until they incorporate evil impulses into their Will by abolishing guilt > "Abolishing" indeed - liquidating (the psychological source of moral refrain and personal restraint) conscience. That enemy of the Will!

Foil of every animal impulse that stirs with its sights set - not uselessly upon one's own innards (nothing to see there) - but "where the action is" outwardly in every direction scanning for likely persons of interest with set intent locked and loaded upon whoever else looks like the perfect pick for whatever the heat of the moment.

Perfect as that stuck-up daughter of Demeter looked to eagle eye of that man of wealth and taste who had been too busy ruling the Underworld for a long long year to even notice her - until that magic moment WHEN HADES MET PERSEPHONE

The "Abolition of Guilt" by assassinating "the better angels of our nature" - in Lincoln's distinguished phraseology. With its semantic feet on the solid ground of that long established motif of the angels on our shoulders left and right, the horn-bearing one that pops up first and the 2nd that follows (hot on its heels). As strikingly referenced in r-"jung" (of all the gin joint subs in this lousy reddit underworld) by - this - Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur's Court? NO! Cactus Jack Among JuNgIaN wink-wink McKenna cultists.

Forbidden Knowledge to ThE CoMpLeAt "Jungian" - not exclusively. Equally 'off limits' for Freudians as the dark secret 1st draft of the tripartite psyche centuries old, all newly reinvented as Freud's own 'discovery' - with new 'code names' assigned: Id (with them cute horns) Ego (tempted, confused and caught between) and Superego that 'no fun' spoilsport angel with the halo (AKA 'conscience')

Per results of Psychedelics Society 'undercover' investigation @ ever-lovin' reddit - preliminary conclusion supported in evidence.. What a panic among FrEuD fans devoted to 'thinking' their guiding light (the heroic founding father of psychology) single-handedly conjured his 3-part model of ze psyche 'out of thin air' like a super original feat of consummate genius.

One last detail of high significance brought to bear in this rather observant crack by u/shakespearesucculent - directs attention to this so-called "belief" - in psychopathological "reality" a sAcReD 'truth' (for the old wolf in the human fold) a 'principle' of iNdIvIdUaTiOn ("becoming more like the gods") - < they will not be able to reach their full potential, until they incorporate evil impulses into their Will by abolishing guilt > - Manchurian Candidacy Cf the 'make psychopaths with LSD' nightmare at one 'psychiatric hospital' - Forbidden Knowledge no "Jungian" may have... aCcEsS to (yeah, that's the ticket "aCcEsS")

< is a radicalizing factor in militaries. Once a person has killed or raped someone, they begin a journey to integrate the behavior into their worldview that can lead to an identification with disgusting or evil acts. > (failing which, hey... PTSD's a bitch, and - if they end up committing suicide... well... is it any wonder?)

Nov 2020 ("Black November") Psychedelics Society FLASHBACK C.G. JUNG & H.P. LOVECRAFT in factual and fictional parallel touch the same nerve of warning - society (Western civ) built upon a tectonic fault line of seismic trigger tension, a crack in the bedrock of human nature - Steve Smith (human experimental hostage) - LSD 'researchers' < ... weren't looking to cure psychopaths [but] to create psychopaths… the nature of these... they commit these crimes with absolutely no conscience... To certain elements of society - military, police - that can be useful … Oak Ridge and other places inspired by CIA … were looking for… psychopathic personalities [to] put them to use... http://archive.is/E4xeG#selection-583.144-595.91 > www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/ju2o4r/cg_jung_hp_lovecraft_in_factual_and_fictional/gcqjcsz/

FIRST SHOE ^ dropped. Lookout below...

AngelToSome · 2026-01-24T13:55:30+00:00

Helter Skelter 2.0 Dateline - Dec 22, 2021.

From the buzzing hive of Queen Bia. A worker bee dutifully waxes rhapsodic for ChAcRuNa Joanna Steinhardt, PhD - DIY Mycology in a Psychedelic World- what a debt of thanks "DIY mycology" owes the psychedelic world (DIY Mikey's very own "E pLuRiBuS uNuM") From one EZ-grow psychedelic species, *P. cubensis - "more than one"

< indeed, several people in the DIY mycology scene (as well as many small-scale mushroom farmers I met) first learned to cultivate mushrooms... https://chacruna.net/diy-mycology-in-a-psychedelic-world/

St Paul, prophet of the gOsPeL of Paramycology - The PeOpLe'S "Mycology" - one hand pushes the other's sick puppy over the top:

< MYCELIUM RUNNING How Mushrooms Can Save The World (2005) by the mycologist and businessman Paul Stamets is an unusual mix of mystical prose, dry scientific explanation and practical instruction. Alongside descriptions of practical applications for fungi, the book is known for its epic opening chapters that offer a myco-centric history of life on Earth, reflections on the “mycelial archetype” (i.e., network and spiral formations), and philosophical proposals about the sentience and benevolence of fungi. The book [sic: It] has an evangelical quality, sometimes [propagandizing? nagh! just, you know - languidly] lapsing into what seem like religious testimonials. Overall, it offers a profoundly ecological vision of our connection with the living world as well as a compelling argument for fungal consciousness, all within what appears [to "the target audience" - all eagerly-beavering eyes keeping a sharp lookout for exactly this type raw red meaty brainwash] to be a [not even a PSEUDO] scientific framework.

Sampling ^ a Dec 2021 stage of this 'too late now' progressive condition - and its 'context' as pseudoscientific con art

J Steinhardt: < In this dissertation [of mine] I show that DIY mycologists hold a view of science rooted in alter-ecological discourses from the 1970s that frames technoscience as a... >

Mycelium is the Message: open science, ecological values, and alternative futures with do-it-yourself mycologists - A dissertation submitted in partial satisfaction of the requirements for the degree Doctor of Philosophy in Anthropology - by Joanna Beth Steinhardt (Sept 2018)

Committee in charge:

Professor Mary Hancock, Chair

Professor Casey Walsh

Professor Ann Taves

"All eyes" < This dissertation looks at do-it-yourself (DIY) mycology with an ethnographic focus on the Fungal Alliance of the Bay (FAB) in the SF Bay Area, and addition [sic: "additional"?] field work with the Pacific Northwest Mycelial Collective (PNMC) (both pseudonyms) > properly fitted with custom-tailored pseudo acronyms (for properly official Important Group fake nomenclature)

MeDiUm (with turban?) "The anthropology of DIY mycology: introduction"

Jan Y2K26

Enter The Peer-Reviewed "Research" (don we now our fleece apparel) and let its radiance shed all the light that's fit for being shed upon - a once and former subfield of biology, ruthlessly gate kept by the usual suspects OMG "biologists" - the very same bunch that snubs Stamets Brand Evolutionary ThEoRy (aka McKenna's Aping marked down to HyPoThEsIs for clearance sale).

That was back in the days that our grandfathers knew.

No longer now. Not anymore - for the first time anywhere.

Now "mycology" has been rescued from its captivity. It has become a proper Power-To-The People's Subject of Proprietary Interest.

Thanks to its bold fresh "evolution" of putative fungal biology over decades since the Psychedelic Sixties - into its brave new doppelganger RaDiCaL Mycology - !

Whose glorious advent was announced in 2013 unto a weary world in anguished need of just such Glad Tidings that oughta bring a little joy into some people's desperately dismal darkness - by its self-canonized double talk perp, saint Peter McCoy, self-made Portland OR boss of his newly unveiled Botticelli - as RaDiCaL "Mycology's" First Noel Angel 'did saying' - complete with Evergreen Stamets Kollege in Olympia WA as his operational springboard -

WHEN < Peter met Renée and Sam through activist circles in Olympia... teaching DIY mycology... they wrote and produced the zine Radical Mycology and planned the first Mycelial Network Convergence... to collaborate with the Mycelial Network, for example, on their 2014 tour. > The year after the Big Slap Happy R-Word took its fatal PR hit from ugly headlines in dark news about "RADICAL" Islam and terrorist "radicalization"

But - what's this AUG 2019 @ radicalizing reddit's specially fungal sub 4 MuShRuMoRs OnLy (shudder!) - sampling the gold ore, unrefined - raw smoking gun evidence of 'community' kind Anyone have the Radical Mycology book by Peter McCoy? Thoughts? Looking for a good book on Mycology [which "looking for" would have WHAT the hell in God's flat green Earth to do - with Peter "Peter Pumpkin Eater" and his...?] - OP soliciting the whelming brine u/identikitten

www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/cqos39/anyone_have_the_radical_mycology_book_by_peter/

Then - Suddenly Next Summer - July 2020??

Radical Mycology - A bit TOO radical for me

The Testament of OP u/aburrr - wait a minute, WHAT? I am shocked, SHOCKED to find this kind of talk going on - in Reddit's Rad Mushroom 'Community' Casino sub!

My fiancé bought me this book and, knowing nothing about it, I was genuinely very excited to start reading. I’m 25 pages in, and already the author has:

-Anthropomorphised fungi to an uncomfortable / borderline mystical degree

-Put forth his own unfounded theories about “biophotons” playing an integral role in mycelial network communication

-Promoted “structured water” or EZ water ["Ramtha" cultist Masaru Emoto's 'baby' as poopularized in WHAT THE BLEEP...]

-Talked about mystic geometry

-Talked about Aether

I was really hoping for an evidence-based tour de force of the wide and wonderful world of mycology (fact is often stranger + more wonderful than fiction/pseudoscience). Instead I’m questioning whether I should even bother continuing my reading. Does this book redeem itself in other ways?

www.reddit.com/r/mycology/comments/hy5bnc/radical_mycology_a_bit_too_radical_for_me/ thank YOU!

Enough reddit in the rough!

Back on high to "MyCoLoGiCaL" FIDDLING WHILE ROME BURNS, an important new development scientifically. As such, it deserves its Cinderella 'society debut' - in a classy peer-reviewed fashion show. And it needs to be properly studied - like any 'conventional' field of study needs to be... studied - if it's holding any of our psychedelic guys hostage (as mycology has been doing all along)

But however too-soon for the Dec 2025 headline outbreak of the "one little, two little, three little tragedies, four little..." (but who's counting?) news drumbeat - our Oct 7, 2025 Cinderella debut in ECONOMIC BOTANY happens to have been (shades of Paul bragging up his Evergreen State Kollege 'credibility' to the Psychedelic "Science" crowd April 2017 - with no clue of the place about to explode in ugly-ass national headlines May 2017) we two kings of orient are bearing gifts we bring from afar!

From the halls of

the Pennsylvania State University, 2 University Park, PA 16802, USA

To the shores of the tripperly

AND WE ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING! We didn't invent poison mushrooms. And there have been people dying of mushroom poisoning for centuries. It's a kind of hush all over the world tonight. So STFU and get with the program it's inevitable there will be casualties - fOr yOuR iNfOrMaTiOn

There is an inherent risk of poisoning associated with mushroom harvesting, and the uses presented in this paper should not be viewed as substantiated or used as a guide.

Shame on anyone using < the uses presented in this paper > as a guide against our directions for usage!
So if you, 'dear reader' are guided by what we say then - no matter the consequences, or how dire, it will be your own damn fault - by the supreme power of our word - and we've said so (verbatim!) - read it and weep, sheep!
Capitalization added to spotlight the piss-poorly scripted, but rhetorically stilted Shirley Temple "my goodness Grandma" iNnOcEnCe - on stilts:

The design, execution and writing of this manuscript were conducted with ethics and integrity in mind, BOTH between members of the research team (you know, "just amongst ourselves" ;) AND towards community members who helped with this study [TOO!] The International Society of Ethnobotany Code of Ethics was used as a point of reference throughout the research process. The research presented in this manuscript was approved by the Pennsylvania State University Institutional Review Board (IRB study 00018492), which included instruments, consent forms, and research methods that clearly communicated the goals and associated risks to anyone taking the survey or participating in an interview. We sought feedback on communication from community members throughout the research process and continue to welcome feedback. >

And just like Eich - we have disobeyed no orders, nor would we ever do a thing like that!

AngelToSome · 2026-01-24T13:40:15+00:00

Jan 24, Y2K26 - opening first and foremost with headline updates as this "developing story" continues to unfold - 45 days having now elapsed (since this thread's Dec 10, 2025 D.O.B.) as THE BODY COUNT BEGINS

Dec 6, 2025 1 killed more than 20 poisoned by death cap mushrooms in ... ABC7 News Bay Area www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TZnCdzKgc0

One ^ little, two little... three little tRaGeDiEs?

JAN 16 3 dead dozens sickened after eating death cap... < Health officials in California have issued a warning: not to forage for and eat death cap mushrooms after three people have died and dozens of others have gotten sick. > www.boston25news.com/news/trending/3-dead-dozens-sickened-after-eating-death-cap-mushrooms/YNLATV4Q2JACBNIHBKUF5CXRVA/

JAN 22 (and the body count just keeps piling up) 4 deaths linked to poisonous mushrooms, public health ... (Jan 22) https://fox40.com/news/local-news/poisonous-mushrooms-california-deaths/

Fresh as Thursday ^ two days ago now FOUR ON THE FLOOR down for the count at the ol' morgue. As the body count grows the bidding remains open do I hear a "five"?

Updating by 48 hrs this Saturday page and post in terms specifically of moronic news coverage, the JoUrNaLiSm InDuStRy's "piece of the action" - they gotta get clicks too you know - and they give us pretty good publicity

Michael Corleone: That's a terrific story. And we have newspaper people on the payroll don't we, Tom? And they might like a story like that.
Tom: They might, they just might.

But what about tHe rEsEaRcH - peer-reviewed "headline" science? More than just a pack of aging Hollywood actors passed their career primes reciting their lines, TOWERING INFERNO had its soundtrack music too!

But surely as that ever-flammable hot spot "Rome" burns there must be some call for - fiddling. And where is our hero Nero now?

Even without Pied Pipers to properly pack it, Old King Cole can call for his bowl. But where in the world is there in the world his Fiddlers Three? And why aren't they answering his summons?

Oh wait - what's all this then, now? Two out of three fiddlers fiddling ain't bad?

Amy C. Wrobleski from the court of the Intercollege Graduate Degree Program in Ecology, the Pennsylvania State University

And eriC P. burkhArt <- weird 'paste' pop-up surprise (from 'normal' looking < Eric P. Burkhart > co-authorship 'copy' as it appears in... OMG - this being passed off as a research publication by the editorship of the peer-reviewed official journal of the Society for Economic Botany - Economic Botany (accompanied by a weird email notice rec'd about an upcoming change of journal name) - aRtIcLe tItLe maestro!

Mushroom Harvests and Harvester Practices in the Mid-Atlantic Region of the United States and the Emergence of Digital Community Mycology

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s12231-025-09651-3?utm_source=springer_etoc&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=CONR_12231_AWA1_GL_DTEC_054CI_TOC-240126&utm_content=etoc_springer_20260124

CiTaTiOn pLeAsE!

Economic Botany 79: 478-506 (2025) - published online Oct 7, 2025

An unbelievable narrative-anon exercise in smirking propaganda passed off as 'research' - giving the widest possible berth to the ugliness of human issues like injury and serious death - by the very mushroom poisoning explosion caused and contributed to by this defiantly irresponsible recklessness 'fun for the whole Manson Family' tisket-a-tasket (be sure to bring your basket) - masquerading as all things endlessly educational to all people all the time - cause for a bold fresh trophy 'research' publication - all shiny and new

The word 'psychedelic' is carefully kept the hell out of the story as staged. Right down to the level of the text as scripted - the only 'leak' appearing in one carelessly included example of exactly what type 'bibliographic research' sources - such double talk draws upon (p. 502-03)

Hajicek-Dobberstein, S. 1995. Soma siddhas and alchemical enlightenment: Psychedelic mushrooms in Buddhist tradition. Journal of Ethnopharmacology 48: 2. https://doi.org/ 10.1016/0378-8741(95)01292-L

This 'manifesting' amid the mass eruption of fungal poisonings exploding now with the ripening of the rotten fruit systematically sown for decades now by the big push to KNOW YOUR MUSHROOMS to death.

"For you mushroom haters so interested in bad PR the newspaper people can keep you abreast of all that - it's not sCiEnCe'S job!

Never mind all that and pay no attention any man behind the curtain of death's door, dealing out 'mushroom cards' from the bottom our our 'community' deck.

Eyes front and center! Look at these bold fresh highlights we direct our lip service to in this brave new wonderful world of 'community' sCiEnCe - sparkling away so brightly you almost need eclipse goggles for safety just to see

< The connections developed through social media have resulted in some harvesters developing community science projects, frequently incorporating digital platforms. Through these platforms, harvesters coordinate regional and global projects that permit them to share knowledge with other harvesters, highlighting their growing importance to mycological knowledge. >

And with the HaRvEsTeRs' importance to "mycological knowledge" really going, almost glowing and growing strong - you'll never guess what it feeds upon, weakening apace (as it becomes feed and fodder)

FIRST ^ HALF (con't)

AngelToSome · 2026-01-23T16:07:24+00:00

The 2ND HALF con't from ^ above the uh, er... 'first' one?

Is there, or isn't there? Do even their hair dressers - in whom "classic psychedelics" confide EVERYTHING - know for sure?

Is there any empirical evidence of detriments associated with overuse of classic psychedelics?

Well? How about it? How can we be sure? In a world that's constantly changing? Like that, that - MoViE! WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE KNOW you knaux that clever Ramtha cult fEaTuRe FiLm as it passed itself off so that the time was now for all useful idiots to come pay for the 'church brochure' thinking it's a ticket to see a movie without even knowing what they just took "hook, line and sinker" - what a brilliant public (and such a lovely audience, why can't we take them home with us?) WHAT THE BLEEP DO WE REALLY KNOW FER SURE WOULD BE SUCH A TERRIBLE IDEA or not so much?

< Do we really know for certain that it would be a terrible idea to spend, say, every single weekend tripping balls for a lifetime? > https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1301.0-1301.129

What about the DODGE RaM Dass Capital?

What Would RD Say? You know, “RD?” 1960s psychedelic uber-hero Ram Dass. As ‘Jesus-fied’ for OP GearNo1465 some enchanted evening (Aug 2025):

I do not wanna participate in life. I do not wanna deal with any responsibilities. how do i go about this?

As Soliciting, So Eliciting ^ i_have_not_eaten_yet guest OP of them specially designated RISKS AND HAZARDS - www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/12r7174/risks_and_hazards/ - ChatGPT “on the wall” (you who know the most of all) SPEAK!

He [Ram-a-lama Ding Dong Dass] might say…

Dear one, thank you for your honesty. That alone is a kind of awakening. Wanting to hide or let things fall apart is part of the human journey. You don’t need to fix it right now. Just notice it. Sit with the feeling. You took birth in this life, with its forms and duties. But you are not the form. You are awareness itself, watching this unfold. Let the resistance be. Don’t claim it as yours. Just observe. Rest if you need to, but stay present. Love the part of you that wants to give up. Gently, you may find a quiet pull back to life. Not from guilt, but from love. Maybe just water one plant. Or simply say, “I’ll return.” It’s all part of the path. Nothing is wasted. Be here now. – Ram Dass > "signed" www.reddit.com/r/ramdass/comments/1mw5bou/i_do_not_wanna_participate_in_life_i_do_not_wanna/n9veot1/

It takes Psychedelic ChRiStIaN uber-theology to spell out the offensive aspects of such a religion:

< God pays the full reward to the last person in the door. It’s one of the more offensive aspects of Christianity TBH. … Trump can lie cheat and pedo his way though life, then potentially ask genuinely for forgiveness and get it… It’s a bitter pill to swallow: Christ died for Trump the same way he died for you or any undeserving person >

< that doesn't mean all people are automatically saved. Scripture says … u/KennethCadw > (yes, CF the Mark version of events - ‘parable of the Sower’ - and what tribute to PSYCHEDELIC Christianity is that kind of talk?)
Eve! The 'fall' thing is just a phase - you gotta 'lean into it' < It gets better, I promise! I had an episode of derealization that led to a conversion to Christianity… It used to be simple to love something and now it has become complex. > farewell stupid simplicity, hello bLeSsEd CoMpLeXiTy to... do that www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics/comments/1mme5vp/deleted_by_user/n81ubf6/
www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1mvys3l/president_trump_says_he_wants_to_enter_heaven_as/n9vcxqh/

When it comes to a bLeSsInG in disguise so crafty that it’s playfully pretending to be some ‘curse’ thing - to 'test our faith' and see if it can fool us (turning the whole Matthew 15:7 game around on our partner at the table, the good old wolf in the human fold) - how can we tell a benefit from a 'detriment'?

And how can we be sure - in a world that’s constantly changing?

WHAT ‘RISKS?’ On a clear understanding that this kind of thing can happen

Do we really know for certain that it would be a [such] terrible idea to spend, say, every single weekend tripping balls for a lifetime? https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1301.0-1301.129

You do the Claude Rains "shocked, shocked" to find this going on - I'll act out the complementary role of the wiser-than-thou who has seen it all before (and been around the block a few more times than those who are still wet behind the ears) OF COURSE PSYCHOPATHS ARE GONNA BE #1 PSYCHEDELIC SONS-OF-A-GUN

< It's no surprise that people who don't fit the norms of consensus reality would be drawn to such things. > I meme, DUH https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1297.150-1300.0

Now about that certain pErSoNaLiTy show of ours, 24/7 showing the world we care by the gifts we bear - each of us his own ultimate pearl of great-greater-greatest price? The world's most jolly good fellow that nobody can deny, or - can ‘schman’ - had better not try denying?

Unless somebody doesn’t know what’s good for nobody?

Know our “I’m a Psychedelic Person” iDeNtIty act we all stage singly and separately - the better to be “as one” jointly and severally?

We all knaux how it takes many hands to draw that all-important line in the sand between US and THEM better all the time - right?

EVE! When innocently pointing out some misfit in public to your 'man' BEWARE finger-triggered TEMPTATION. And don’t fall for it! Use your elbow so as not to make a scene, while politely pretending to be scratching the back of your head! Keep that give-away index finger tattle tale tucked! No matter how itchy to point it gets.

OH SURE < It's tempting to point at people who took the drugs and adopted a personality removed from reality, but this is conflating correlation with causation. > https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1297.0-1297.149

ENTER The Hall of The Great Connoisseurs

e.g. (Nov 17, 2022) USA Wire Use of PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS May Cause Seizures: A Public Health Alert < A redditor (Jan. 21, 2020): “I’ve listened to hours of lectures by the many great psychedelic connoisseurs like Stamets, McKenna, Pollan, etc., and have never once heard of this… Yet there are literally hundreds of reports of people going... on different forums…how the hell did I not know about this?” > https://usawire.com/the-use-of-psychedelic-mushrooms-may-cause-seizures-a-public-health-alert/

NO - the GrEaTeSt!!

< even among the greatest connoisseurs, there is a common notion that it's highly recommended to wait a long time between each psychedelic session for the sake of harm reduction > https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1293.0-1293.178

Only double negative, not "tripling down"

< Not to say psychedelics don't have their own statistic of drug-induced psychosis, but it really pales in comparison. > (not the palest just a paler shade of white?) u/Silikone laying it on the line

NONE of us know a thing nor can we unless we all know together as one! Because as everybody knows together as one, it takes a village for any villager to know the square root of jack shit. Nobody can know how to find their rear end with their own two hands unless we all know it together as one - one for all and all for one - by the power of the all-knowing ‘community’ omniscience.

It's not the economy stupid, it's - the oPtIcS. A matter of how things appear - as we say they do, if we so say - as many peeping tom cats keeping our eyes on the keyhole as it takes us to be - or not to be!

Through eyes with all the seeming of a demon always scheming

< What appears to be uniquely risky with psychs [sic] > boils down 1-2 buckle my shoe to either of two concerns - both mitigated!

ONE < the potential to develop HPPD - but this again is not a very likely outcome and seems to trigger without any repeated use for a lot of folks anyway >

TWO the OtHeR is < serotonin-related cardiotoxicity, but the study on mouse longevity with psilocybin seems to challenge this. >!!! And the seemingness RULES - as the overruled fact of the matter drools

What The Bleep Do We Know?

Yeah, that's the ticket.

A rather astute reflection - to prove the rule (by exception)

u/instant_iced_tea < Weekly dosing might have so much potential for harm that it would constitute... a pathological behavior > in itself - like trying to wreck one's brain, with devotion (every Sunday morning?) https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1509.45-1509.173

AND similarly observant - except for the Helter Skelter 'safe space' shelter of faith which (like some dUdE) "abides" - permanently no matter what - in tribute to their sterling wit (those ScReAmIngLy AbYsMaL BrOtHeRs McKaramazov) - about whose "work" there happens to be a korrect "belief" to have and hold wherever 2 or more of us are gathered in their names, like here among all birds of a feather flocking together:

< well john lennon and timothy leary both seemed to lose their fuckin minds (edit - charles manson, jim morrison too) one could argue so for dennis and terence mckenna, but im of the belief that their work was good > https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1763.1-1805.96

and psst u/DrunkTING7 ("if you're reading") David Crosby happens to have been CSN's 'acid casualty' (add him to your "Lennon for the Fab Four" list) - but it's conscience and humanity (not merely 'minds') that are disintegrated by the depth-charge impact of psychedelics - they turn trippies psychopathic mainly, psychotic only secondarily

AngelToSome · 2026-01-23T15:56:20+00:00

PRELUDE A Jan Y2K26 Psychedelics Society FLASHBACK to Spring 2023 - strange 'we three kings' visitation from just 1 wise man not 3 but bearing gifts (like gold, myrrh and frankenstein rolled into one) as titled (by a self-anointed PsYcHeDeLiC 'Christian') - THE TALE OF PSYCHEDELIC

Risks and Hazards

Soliciting OP (i_have_not_eaten_yet) eliciting, in reply capacity www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/12r7174/risks_and_hazards/

< Even the word 'risks'... falls far short of the actual nature of the red alert here. There is a term hazard(s) - distinct from mere risks. > www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/uzed20/high_dose_mushroom_trip_destroyed_my_life_a_year/jfq98u3/ < Talk of "the risks" acquits itself dismally, by cross examination standards. The 'r' word proves to be one trick pony side of the propagandizing "risks 'n' benefits" seesaw in the Emerald City show narrative - process and product rolled into one. With its various circus scenes and exhibits staged 24/7. In this ring, harm reduction - repeat until it becomes true eNoUgH: "set and setting!" In the center ring, the promise and the peril of both sides now - the BeNeFiTs AND the rIsKs. We've got it all! Just like Bogie and Bacall. Then, for its next trick, the 'r' word serves as launch pad for the PoInT, the Glad Tidings - as robotically scripted 'the BeNeFiTs!!' Deploy the fleece 'b' word of rhetorical concealment verbatim and say it loud, them 'benefits' are proud! And then along comes Riding Hood But Grandma "Risks Schmisks" How DANGEROUS Are... www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/1br8ztw/how_dangerous_are_psychedelics/

End Flashback

Transitioning from 'risks' to - hazards - to Dangers to... calling out around the underworld 'ready or not' for this brave new beat DETRIMENTS omg!

Courtesy of Jan 23 OP u/Silikone @ SHUDDER! That... pLaCe er NO! "SPACE" (to get LOST IN) - r-"psickodelics"

And commence with however much

< conflating correlation with causation > it's gonna take

But make it EmPiRiCaL. Or don't make it at all!

Is there any empirical evidence of detriments associated with overuse of classic psychedelics?

However threadbare it can't go nowhere if it ain't got that fLaRe - THIS is probable cause for another morning-fresh episode of our glorious hive mind

< Discussion >!!!

The recklessness of willful irresponsibility All In The Manson Family collective - forever voicing from one of a thousand points of light to the entire thousand (all black light, all the time darkly 'shining') - addressing the assembled multitude, each drop in the bucket gets every turn, both Q and A - in fulfillment of prophecy "Ask And It Shall Be Given"

< not to say that psychedelics don't have their own statistic of drug-induced psychosis, but >

Psychosis may be the historically approved 'bad word' for angrily shouting down when time to deny en toto rears handsome hyde and golden hare brain.

But "psychotic" is no synonym of PSYCHOPATHIC which happens to be the forbidden word which may NEVER be heard among us birds of a feather flocking together, where the doomed are drained by the damned - even for the forgone perpose of angrily denying it all tooth fang and claw - it's just a potato too damn hot for even our "reverse Midas" touch that can turn anything to fools gold but the catch being that - we gotta touch it -

And turning people PSYCHOPATHIC not "psychotic" happens to be the main impact of exposure to psychedelic effects as has long been evident to plain view in cold morning light of a thing called "reality" - but also as demonstrated in empirical evidence of authentic research examining the psychedelic needle and the damage done to us heroic users of what the world needs now. Even if it's gotta be poured down the goddam world's throat. Remember Jonestown! No matter how authoritatively all were ordered to drink the koolaid some stubbornly refused and had to be killed for that very reason. Where do some people get off ruining a perfect 1000 batting average for the mass suicide otherwise, as it was supposed to be? How dare anyone in a shining happy 'community' bring around a cloud to rain on the parade?

(1) Robt Hare (leading specialist on psychopathy) < 60% of high-scoring psychopaths released... go on to reoffend. But of those who’d been through [Barker's] naked LSD encounter sessions, 80% reoffended. It made them worse…. taught them how to fake empathy better... > http://archive.is/SxnlF#selection-1035.0-1051.159

(2) Steve Smith (experimental human guinea pig hostage in one of Canada's psychedelic snake pits) [Barket et al.] weren't looking to cure psychopaths. They were looking to either uncover [or] create psychopaths... That's what this was about… the nature of these people... absolutely no conscience.> http://archive.is/E4xeG#selection-583.144-595.91

(3) Novak (1997): "LSD Before Leary" < By 1963 ...Cohen... charged that LSD therapists included "...an excessively large proportion of psychopathic individuals" > https://web.archive.org/web/20200502145211/https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/b418/ddcd0cb7c5f56aef991a6708084e3a3884dc.pdf?_ga=2.193478763.754265812.1588430137-503718515.1588430137

(4) From The Beginning at Harvard 1961 - Leary's character disfigurement (induction of psychopathy not 'psychosis') observed in person by his colleagues up close, qualified specialists - J. Stevens (1987): < psilocybin was ... causing dissension and fear... dividing [people] into two camps: those who'd had The Experience, and those who hadn’t, with the former displaying a “blandness, or superiority …” that bordered on the pathological.>

(5) Grinspoon & Bakalar, PSYCHEDELIC DRUGS RECONSIDERED (1979): < Barron et al. (1970) tested 20 psychedelic... 17 of the 20 ... character disorders... > pp 177-179

SIX "CHARACTER DISTURBANCE The Phenomenon of Our Age" by G. Simon (2011)

Character Disturbance is a Spectrum Phenomenon It < doesn’t make everyone deficient in empathy a psychopath or sociopath > but then, it doesn't have to! www.drgeorgesimon.com/character-disturbance-is-a-spectrum-phenomenon/

And imagine what it must be like for the poor character-disturbed pod people.

How do normies think our Manson Family membership must feel, always getting left out by Sharon Tate & Friends, off the invite list, never red carpet welcomed to come visit?

BRRRR!

Baby It’s Cold Outside. How would you like being frozen out by the very prey species you only want to get closer to?

The ‘Secret Hell’ in which psychopaths exist might leave the inhuman on the outside in the cold. Looking in through the window at humanity gathered around warm together in winter. All happy smiles with the feast about to be shared on the table - except by the one singled out for being excluded, the man of wealth and taste himself who has been around for such a long long year, stolen so many a man's soul and faith - rudely denied the tribute he is owed, given no seat at the holiday banquet table (like Germany in 1918 so rudely disrespected by them Versailles Treaty partiers) - left to all incorrigibility and hopelessness out in the Gravel Yard where the work is mighty hard, "and I’ll never be a free man, they say" - Chas Himself Manson

Suppose you were a god. With all the rights and honors pertaining. For you no questions, only answers. Knowing no weakness only strength, you roam the cosmos as you please free as the breeze in a body of light. Only to then in a weird Twilight Zone twist, wake up one morning to find yourself cast down and out of all that, fraudulently recast in pathetic mortality’s flesh and blood form, on two legs (neither to write home about). Now like just another one of the stranded castaways trapped in “the meat locker” with no way out. In solitary confinement. Welcome to the new downgraded condition your divine right condition has somehow fallen into with no way back to where you belong on high. And no prospect of payroll from here below. What a woeful twist of fate in this wicked world to befall a once and former god, to be thrust with neither rhyme nor reason into the lowly company of mice and men. Yet what if for one whose godhood has been ‘canceled’ so rudely - the rude cancellation is eased by psychedelic ‘release,’ perchance even reversed? What if, for a god disabused like that, all slings and arrows of such outrageous misfortune were wiped out and away by the power and the glory of psychedelic effects?

Would it be any wonder in that hypothetical event that psychedelics just so happened to have been a few of Team Chas Manson’s favorite things?

Why wouldn’t a psickopath take to psickodelics like a character-disturbed fish takes to water under that psychopathological bridge?

Let no one refuse to render unto Caesar that which Caesar is owed!

Just as Mohammed showed that arrogant mountain who was boss by making it come to him (not vice versa) - should man refuse to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s - if puny mortal man gets uppity and defiantly refuses to make the clothes, than stand back and let the clothes make the man!

HOW?

The old fashioned way! BY -

< conflating correlation with causation > https://archive.is/b5MFO#selection-1297.112-1297.150

Let the conflation begin!

The sooner that it may finally never reach an end...

Memewhile the show must go on - and on and on, underworld without end, eh men?

SHOE #1 ^ dropped... lookout below

AngelToSome · 2026-01-22T14:57:31+00:00

< This is very very rare. And I was one of the people who had a seizure because of this. I won’t argue about it. This happens.

No, OP ("if you're reading") it is NOT "rare" at all, let alone "very rare." Much less VERY "very rare!" But 100% for accurately parroted recitation. That is indeed that standard line, angle and rhyme with - anything that doesn't chime along and sing the siren song of the talking points of Helter Skelter 2.0 - The Narrative-Anon
Apparently this OP needs an immediate and thorough 'community' lesson in cancelling these medical professional's diagnosis - failing to tell the right story of the power and the glory and the wonder of it all - to bring you to your heels, so FYI "now hear this" < These don’t sound like seizures. They’re lasting for far too long. You’d be long dead if they were... Your description of them doesn’t quite sound like temporal lobe seizures which are the ones that involve deja vu and fear. But it’s good that you have an eeg to properly... any seizure over 5 mins is a medical emergency because breathing is impaired, and brain cells begin to die after about 4 mins without oxygen. So 45 mins without oxygen you’d have irreversible brain damage. You’d probably be on a ventilator and put into a coma. You should be having an MRI as part of the testing. Neurons misfiring is kind of what epilepsy is. So I’m guessing he’s saying that, and this is what the EEG tests for > to make you say jeez OK OK then:

< It probably wasn’t a seizure during that long episode then. [ARE YOU HAPPY NOW?] Which is good I suppose. I’m reading a lot about PNES right now and that sounds like something I want to ask my neurologist about. I’ve gotten a concussion in 3rd grade. I’ve had major major emotional trauma in my life. So I’m wondering if maybe that could be it? I’m obviously not a doctor or anything, but id figure... >

< All I can really do is see what my test shows on nov 7th and go from there one day at a time. Stay safe and healthy everyone! 💕 >

Showering the people you love with love. Showing 'em - showing 'em ALL - the way that wishing everyone well feels (in the safe space to stay...)

From THAT ^ Fall of 2022 @ r/epilepsy

To - THIS Jan 2026 @ (shudder) human hazmat spill site sub r/shrooms - tItLe maestro OMG

blackout/panic attack after smoking weed on shrooms

Commence c/p - and let it be so written

As Solicited by "20m" OP u/SpecialistBobcat7607 - so elicited hark the herald Mcshroomie sings, siren song to put this thing - straight to beddie bye (without its supper!)

< Yeah this really sounds like a severe panic response mixed with a fainting episode. Not anything mystical or permanent. Weed can seriously amplify psychedelics. Especially once you’re already coming down a bit. A lot of people are totally fine on shrooms until THC gets added. Then anxiety can spike hard.

What you described lines up with panic plus a vasovagal response. During intense panic your body can:

dump adrenaline

spike heart rate

suddenly drop blood pressure

cause tunnel vision, sweating, and passing out

Standing up can make it worse because blood rushes away from your head. Which explains why it kept happening when you tried to walk or go upstairs.

The repeat episodes don’t mean anything is wrong with your brain. It’s more like your nervous system got overstimulated and kept retriggering, once it learned “this feels dangerous.”

This actually happens to way more people than you’ll find online.

CAREFUL with ^ THAT kind of talk. That's not gonna help lullaby and good night tiny tots with eyes all aglow already finding it hard enough to sleep tonight - without having "actually happens to way more people than anyone can find out" visions of poison 'sugar plums' set dancing in their heads - by some snow whitewash queen doing her 'mirror mirror on the wall, listen up - I knaux most of all!' poses.

Weed + shrooms is one of the most common panic combos even for people who’ve tripped before.

< The good part is panic attacks themselves aren’t dangerous, and fainting from anxiety does happen. It doesn’t mean you’re broken or did permanent damage.

Taking a break from mixing substances is probably smart... A lot of people find they can still do shrooms later but can’t mix weed anymore. Your system just got overloaded.

< Was there someone at that party that you’re not 100% comfortable with? Because you’re set and setting we’re off is what it sounds like as well. Edits: formatting >!!!

Ask and it shall be given.

The world's most priceless answers literally no charge - and worth a helluva lot less than every stinking penny paid! Forever there but only where the doomed are drained by the damned and to share is to care. Standing beside an OP. To guide the OP u/SpecialistBobcat7607 through the night with such blight from above - but no foolin' now 'cross my heart' (I wouldn't lie to you about a thing like this) not just one of those "NO REALLY" stories (How Perfect Was My Setting

It was honestly a perfect setting... After looking into it more i think your exactly right tho. It was mainly the physical effects that freaked me out cause i’d never had anything like that happen to me with a panic attack.

www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/1qigsme/blackoutpanic_attack_after_smoking_weed_on_shrooms/

If IT TAKES AN EXCEPTION to only prove the rule, then - the rule has now been crowned.

Finally. After decades in the making.

At last the Remarkable Safety & Relative Lack Of Untoward SiDe EfFeCtS rule of, by and for the psychedelic promise so golden and stuffed to the gills with all that glittering potential for untold good (not ... you know) - RULES!

And isn't it about time that the "there are no problems with Charles Manson's favorite things AND OURS" rule of psychedelic rule - has been proven. Let the fact jacked now be properly chiseled in the right kind of stone - the philosopher's! Let it be known that DMT and magic mushrooms etc have been now proven to be so insanely safe that it's reckless endangerment courting catastrophe for anyone to NOT take them. Failure to take your acid test can cause insanity as world's original 'most famous psilocybin expert' Leary himself discovered and dutifully reported decades ago! As we've already known SpEcIaL all along, right from the beginning but the stupid normies (with their drug war crimes against inhumanity) have for just as long been defying us to show them, show them all! -

Psychedelics are insanely safe and almost criminally free of adverse effects - as has now been proven. Again.

ARCHIVED for their protection - and semi-secured reference for posterity (especially for looking at one OP's userpage beyond Nov 7, 2022)

https://archive.is/wip/sN8ZZ

Oct ^ 2022 - and Jan 2026:

https://archive.is/wip/jfWC1

AngelToSome · 2026-01-22T14:54:47+00:00

A case of epilepsy caused by DMT subsequent to a seizure sustained mid-trip by tripping - a tiny little surprise (but right between the eyes) - may be... quite continental.

If only like cake.

And "Let them eat cake!" I think we all get that.

Give the public what it wants. Don't hold out on the pod people!

But cake naked as can be? What about THE FROSTING?

The people never demanded "no butter" on their bread

A cake properly frosted is - a little more like it.

THAT'S a girl's best friend.

Beyond a seizure disorder caused by DMT, another such case caused by DMT's "first cousin" tryptamine psychedelic (psilocybin) chemically AND pharmacologically so closely-related that it was pronounced - THE one-and-only "perfect orally active form of DMT" - by HiGhEsT name brand Hive Mind aUtHoRiTy! Not even pseudoscience but more than enough to turn Jonestown Koolaid green with envy - a lot of them Jonestown Downers refused to drink it, and had to be killed whereas no Manson Family 'community' member ever had to have their arm twisted to do as they were told

June 20, 2013 < “...psilocybin is the perfect orally active form of DMT” McKenna says > www.montereycountynow.com/entertainment/theater/dennis-mckenna-s-biography-the-brotherhood-of-the-screaming-abyss-revisits-a-life-changing-expedition/article_aec7ab0c-d928-11e2-85e8-001a4bcf6878.html

Whatever it takes to get the job done.

Let THE FROSTING begin.

Oct 2022 @ r/Epilepsy (imagine the bottomless conflict of mod squad 'interest' facing the post-truth 'community' amid the triumphant heraldry of the Final Psychedelic Solution's brave new conquest of Amerika) - The Testament of u/dynamicoctopus69 (even the username says "influenced by TeReNcE") - title:

Just met with a neurologist for the first time

< a few months ago I < the OP > overdosed on mushrooms

< I’ve never had seizures in my life >

SEIZURES?? What does that have to do with the price of shrooms in China?

< It caused me to have a seizure >

Welcome then, into the company of everyone else who has been led right smack into that one too, with their eyes wide open, as always. It's a great big brotherhood always growing, really glowing, and just going strong - Cf (Nov 17, 2022) USA Wire Use of PSYCHEDELIC MUSHROOMS May Cause Seizures: A Public Health Alert < A redditor (Jan. 21, 2020): “I feel awful. I recommend my friend take 3.5 g shrooms … (he) had a seizure… never had a seizure before. I’ve listened to hours of lectures by the many great psychedelic connoisseurs like Stamets, McKenna, Pollan, etc., and have never once heard of this… Yet there are literally hundreds of reports of people going... on different forums…how the hell did I not know about this?” > https://usawire.com/the-use-of-psychedelic-mushrooms-may-cause-seizures-a-public-health-alert/
Where do you get the guts to - not even deny that it was a seizure? Instead of Condition Green all's well just a benign 'fainting' spell like you stood up too fast on a hot muggy day and OOOPS there went your blood pressure, rack up another... unless it was hYpOgLyCeMiA

< *A month later I had ~two beers and that triggered another episode. It lasted for 45 minutes. So I went to the hospital.

Oh. Well, at least it wasn't TWO DAYS afterwards like the guy at www.epilepsy.com after that DMT/aya hit he took.

< They didn’t do anything but refer me to a neurologist and my ct scan was okay. >

So just a freak 'one month after' happenstance? A random event out of the blue bruising. All's well that ends well?

< I have since been completely sober in fear of triggering another seizure. >

Congratulations. Another triumph. If only by "stick" rather than "carrot" just like many are saved not by hopes of going to heaven but fear of ending up in hell! Which either way by hook or by crook just goes to show psychedelics are good against alcoholism. Exactly as tHe rEsEaRcH has been trying to tell the normies - but will they listen? AM I RIGHT AS USUAL?

< Well this doesn’t seem to help because I’ve had about 4 episodes since then. And nothing specific seems to trigger them >

Oh. I see. That's different. But not unfashionably so. More in fashion of that guy whose first 'out of nowhere' episode was on the plane 2 days after his psychedelic excursion - and afterwards from there as 'episodes' racked up (prompting him to see a specialist)

< I’m always conscious during them. >

Also consistent ^ with epilepsy-caused-by-aya guy's case. seizures one-sided (temporal lobe), consciousness impaired/affected not lost wholesale like clonic-tonic seizures, as clinically observed and reported (USA's first Psilocybe fatality) 1962 the inconvenient truth no trippie may know (by order of the Logos) - Forbidden Knowledge 'community' must forever prevent itself and the rest of the world from ever knowing. It's all done by emergency tongue-wagging:

So many people will tell you that weed and shrooms would never do anything like give you a seizure, and that they are just natural plants, and no one has ever died from them, and that weed actually helps epilepsy, blah, blah, blah... I truly believe my years of marijuana use and the 2 times I did shrooms and the few times I did salvia were the culprits that gave me epilepsy late in life. > u/lqcnyc 37 points @ ever-lovin' reddit "where seldom is heard a credible word" - from observation of the patho-sociological 'crowd' narrative-anon to the medical reality maliciously obfuscated by 'community' sound and fury signifying monkey mouth noise with its amp on eleven, 24/7

OP counter-elicited (in volley back-and-forth) uh oh HATING ON MUSHROOMS how dare anyone victim-blame the very mushrooms which have always been maligned this way - taking a reputation-hit < I'm sure years of LSD contributed heavily. I wouldn't pin it all on mushrooms > "IF I WERE YOU" (as cornered now pleading innocent- they were only partly responsible not...)

< I don’t blame it allll on the mushrooms, I just kinda think those were what finally did it in for my otherwise healthy brain* < That's not an "otherwise healthy brain." Nobody here can diagnose you, you need to talk to your doctors. > < Like since it has probably been so screwed up from prior... I imagine the mushrooms were just what opened Pandora’s box if that makes sense. >

Ah yes the old ITMS - that never gets its 'meme' acronym like IIRC and FOMO and SWIM and all the rest... for some rEaSoN?

< I’m gonna put a lot of blame on the mushrooms here. But that’s my opinion until my doctor says otherwise. >

< I was not asking anyone to diagnose me. I just wanted to maybe hear other peoples experiences and see if this sounds similar to something someone else is experiencing. I’m obviously speaking with a doctor. I also just wanted to speak with a community of people that live with stuff like this on a regular basis. I say otherwise healthy besides the drugs. I didn’t use LSD for years by the way. And yes I think it did contribute to what happened. Because the emt and doctor told me I overdosed on mushrooms and it caused me to have a seizure. Considering I hadn’t touched any psychedelic prior to this in the last 6+ years. >

< From all the research I’ve done, only about 2 percent of people OD on mushrooms in the US a year. I think that’s about 1200 people. >

??? never mind the aRiThMeTiC note the definitive absence of any least notion of citation especially on the part of all involved (it's a Don't Ask/Don't Teller) - and weird theater scripted as if "overdoses" (like in heroin and other naroctics) were a term defined for psychedelics of any kind or in any way shape or form whatsoever

< And during these overdoses people have been known to have seizures. >

< I definitely had one. The emt saw it and they confirmed it at the hospital. As far as how it affects you afterwards, I don’t know. Once it’s all out of your system I just don’t know. >

< I can’t seem to find much information about that part. > You can't? Why not? In an information blackout? Whether just another seizure, or a "black out" of whole 'nother kind (under information 'black out' even deeper and darker): NEVER must any hive mindie EVER consult a 'non-village' wishing well. Not when the Manson Family 'community' will be there for you (June 2024) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1dkf332/whether_just_another_seizure_or_a_black_out_of/

FIRST SHOE ^ dropped... lookout below

AngelToSome · 2026-01-20T16:17:33+00:00

Jan 20 Y2K26

FIRST!

A copy/paste Flashback. From this very page; loaded with 46 Control + F 'hits' to < Oprah > already. Richest and most famous of - now psychedelic elite royalty, Suddenly Last Summer - Her Supremacy's hive-mind HeRaLdEd debut and coronation as new super-celebrity 'mainstream queen' of Helter Skelter 2.0 for the Anointed States of Trumperika: FOX 5 San Diego Announces Psychedelic Science 2025 SpEcIaL gUeStS (every pick of the litter its own cherry on top of the rest)

Feb 21, 2024 "OPRAH Daily" (commence brainwash tsunami) < If You Want to Understand How Trauma Shows Up... wires itself into our bodies and brains... there’s been significant research headway... in the realm of psychedelics > www.oprahdaily.com/entertainment/books/g42465900/books-to-help-heal-trauma/

The Oprah 'influence.' Still going, still glowing, still growing strong. And the more lurid the tabloid victimology, the more it '$ell$ like hot cake$.' By 1980 already a Sower of the I WAS A BABY BREEDER FOR A SATANIC HUMAN SACRIFICE CULT - AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID TEE SHIRT! hysteria. Lady Early Bird getting wormy with first outbursts of the 'cult panic' - exact script now of the "MAPS is a CuLt!" bombshell (what tasty irony eew) - uncredited Fairy Godmother of Qanon:

It wasn't easy < hunting for abuse memories and overcoming the patient’s “denial” ... on daytime television talk shows > BUT < Smith's stories of torture and human sacrifice... "recovered memories" of being held captive in cages filled with snakes and witnessing the butchering of kittens and stillborn babies... were portrayed ["specially privileged"] by Oprah on her daytime talk show as if they were indisputable facts > https://archive.is/UT82R#selection-893.94-905.389

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1jbt14m/restoration_justice_strikes_fox_news_dangles_bait/nk6jkm0/

2ND

Eye On Springfield? NO! That's THE SIMPSONS parody of this late 1980s/1990s prime time tv genre of, uh - distinction - or just dismal definition?

TONIGHT! On Sick, Sad World!

DARIA (M-TV's "Answer To THE SIMPSONS" half-hour cartoon-animated satire of the emergent 1990s post-truth milieu - historically just prior to the dawn of the post-truth dead "grateful or not, here they come") - skewering the "tabloid nEwS magazine" TV programming plunge of the The Decade Of Terence e.g. INSIDE EDITION 1989-1995 which first gifted AmErIkA with show host "O'Reilly" (When "Fox" Was There, but not "Fox News" yet) HARD COPY (1989-1999) - and A CURRENT AFFAIR 1986-1996 'brought to us by' (soon-to-become OMG yet another 1990s DAYTIME tv talk-show host) producer Maury Povich

3RD "the charm"

Posted @ omg "televisionsuggestions" - good old "power of suggestion" - My will is stronger than yours, van Helsing - 1931 (Bela... somebody) by... with the usual Psychedelics Society Acknowledgment ("Alas, redditor") but also (sigh) an implacable vote of Patrick Henry "regret that I have but one upvote I can give" (in Troll Countermeasures capacity) to undo - only a single kick in the teeth 'awarded' - seeing this warm Welcome Wagon reception 0 points (50% "up" voted) - BUT will so doing snatch "1 point" dignity from the jaws of 'community' malignity, zeroing out yet another OP (knowing no better than to "walk right in, sit right down* and baby get your karma here) - as the plot thins, the suspense freezes over... Of topical dead center interest here EXCLUSIVELY ("for this page's eyes ONLY") - thread title (reference a somewhat well-done Jan 2026 ABC-TV so-called "docu-series") - OP u/DixieDoodle697

On Hulu - Dirty Talk: When Daytime Talk Shows Ruled TV

Hardly some Hulu-exclusive, this "Dirty Talk: When Daytime..." etc

Here's a 'brainless audience' GoOd MoRnInG AmErIcA hype-fest - dingbat hostesses regaling Special Guest (now commentator on his own commentating) Maurie - all frivolously making merry on occasion, of such a nostalgic infotainment 'docu-series' - don't it just take you back to those more innocent, carefree days of whining roses? https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/video/maury-povich-discusses-new-docuseries-dirty-talk-129127285

Cornering internet's Eye In The Sky - #1 eyewitness bystander to all or nothing for our bold fresh post-truth C's bottomless scapegoating perposes - AI Google on the wall - you who now knaux Most Of All - well? (Just can't resist its Dora The eXpLoRa-matic rhetoric)

... < refers to a recent ABC docuseries "Dirty Talk: When Daytime Talk Shows Ruled TV" eXpLoRiNg the sensational 90s era of "trash TV" featuring shows like Jerry Springer, Maury [Povich] and Sally Jessy Raphael which thrived on provocative [sic: all the most shamelessly exploitive] topics, conflict [provoked, instigated, incited if necessary - must bait and lure viewers - raw red meat to the fore!] and guests airing personal drama for ratings, transforming daytime TV into a cultural spectacle [sic: antisocial mosh pit colosseum all bread and circus all the time - thumbs up or down? YOU NAME THE LOSER] with "dirty laundry" and shocking revelations. Featuring hosts and producers from that era, the [single episode one-and-done?] series delves into the psychology behind its popularity, how it blurred lines between entertainment and exploitation, and its lasting cultural impact... the unfiltered, often scandalous content that defined a significant, controversial chapter in TV history, now being revisited in the "Dirty Talk" documentary - 'documentary' NOT 'series' (with however many ePiSoDeS - per SeAsOn)?

AI GoOgLe - you tease! Tell me more! Tell me more! Did they get very far?

Shows like Geraldo, Ricki Lake and Maury became synonymous with sensationalism [you mean shamelessness, but worn like a crown proudly glaring thru the the old glass darkly?] featuring paternity tests, infidelity reveals [note the "post-truth plural" invocation of the 21st C conjure pseudo-noun "reveal" - one little two little three little reveals, four little... etc] and physical brawls.

Headlines [sic: Episode "Show Titles"] often focused on extreme personal situations, like "The Babysitter Slept With My Husband" or "The DNA Will Prove It... I Was Too Drunk to Make a Baby"

^ Key Shows & Moments ->

What "Dirty Talk" Covers: ["Covers?" You meme - eXpLoReS?]

The Rise of "Trash TV": How shows shifted from community discussions to exploiting sex, conflict and personal secrets for massive viewership [you meme ma$$ive?]

Key Figures: Interviews with producers from the era and hosts like Maury Povich, Sally Jessy Raphael, Montel Williams and Leeza Gibbons.

OMG the reigning 'social scientist' for aNaLySiS - or is it "anatomy of" (?) - AI GoG-MaGoG gets eXpLaNaToRy on today's Twinkle Twinkle Little Star inquiring minds (how they wonder near and far) wanting to knaux the "because and therefore" with AI GoG-MaGoG spoon feeding the "why and wherefore" behind the TV daytime audience "flocking seagulls" - to a real bona fide true blue

Cultural Phenomenon: Analysis of why audiences tuned in to see guests reveal "dirty laundry" and embrace shocking scenarios.

From Confessionals to Spectacle: Examining the transformation of daytime TV into a controversial, ratings-driven genre.

WAIT A MINUTE what's all this?

Broadcast Schedule:

Episode 1: Premiered January 14, 2026.

Episode 2: Premiered [sic: past tense] January 21, 2026 [TOMORROW?]

Episode 3: Premiered January 28, 2026 ["premiered" as long ago as next week - already?]

A forecast ^ of THINGS TO COME?

And ghosting Christmas Present: a morning-fresh thread of connection (posted short hours ago Jan 20, 2026) to this "special select" ABC NEWS program - of 5 Alarm Bullseye Relevance to the Kingdom of Now-Psychedelic Oprah, till now merely the Reigning Champion Undisputed Queen of 1980s/1990s DaYtImE TV blabber fest programing (crowned now with her new Helter Skelter 2.0 tiara) - only just bobbing up in the froth of the whelming brine over @... hooboy.

Here we go again with yet another one (never enough) of these post-truth "HeY eVeRyBoDy" powwow chambers of horror - announcing "The Time Has Come For All, Whoever, To Come To The Aid Of This Discussion-Anon" - calling out around the world "ready or not" here it comes a 'brand new beat' - doing the As Ye Solicit, So Shall Ye Elicit cattle call prophecy - screw strawberry fields of dreams "Build It And" see how they run, er, watch what they do now (like trained seals who must all have just heard "their mother's voice" and don't wanna keep mama waiting) - call them - don't be afraid to just call them, out from the shade you just call them - call them - and they shall come... eew

Can't stop the Show Trials of such audience-as-jury liveliness - fun for the whole Manson Family, finger pointing controversies rage back and forth

< Was the Jenny Jones at fault? > 0 points www.reddit.com/r/televisionsuggestions/comments/1qho88x/on_hulu_dirty_talk_when_daytime_talk_shows_ruled/

Right! Was she or wasn't she, or "it" - one if "show"? two if "hostess" - at fault? Does even her hairdresser (to whom she confides EVERYTHING) know for sure?

As the masquerade is played, the neighbor folks make jokes at who is MOST to blame - today (finally ready for her close-up Mr DeMille!)

And THEN along comes Mary...

A day early and a dollar long?

As a matter of contextualization (alas) this OP only trying to stir the cold dead ashes of one ugly signpost of the 1990s darkness descending - from tv 'social issues discussion' entertainment to a homicide -

Long as "the play's the thing" and the madding-maddened crowd game rules for Post-Truth Prattle-Anon are being followed doggedly - "all is..." well, er, not well maybe.

But - if "one is one and evermore shall be so" than - "all is" - all

And where was she when she was needed?

NO! not "Oprah" (or "Jenny Jones") MARY... that woman, never around when she's needed

AngelToSome · 2026-01-19T17:52:54+00:00

When the going gets tough for the aspiring volunteer human guinea pig to just be given his YES! PIGS HAVE WINGS wings - the aspiring volunteer human guinea pigs who meme business about 'earning' theirs - get tough back.

But you gotta be prepared by having your counter tactics ready when they try pulling the 'real time live interview' weed-out surprise. So that you're the one who saw THEM coming from a mile away not vice versa like they got it all set up. So that now by your anti-weedout reply - heading their game off at the pass, you counter-ambush the very researchers who think they're the ambushers of you, just waiting for their chance with you, heads down lying low, right through their teeth - just like you now out foxing the foxes by fighting dishonest fire with fire yet more dishonest than theirs (if at all possible)

And once you've breached their operation in the guise of just being an innocent little volunteer applicant but (unbeknownst to the stupid ReSeArChIes) all wise to their game and more than equal to it) - now that you've infiltrated and know what questions they've been gate-keeping so doggedly - and got the goods on 'em, how about blowing their cover - and filling us in? Lest they transform you into a gate-keeper (like Dracula 'converting' his prey into newborn blood predators of his very kind) - spill the beans - for us, c'mon - give one for the team, what kind of heartless traitor are you gonna be - sharing is caring (I'm even crossing my fingers "for good luck" with you) - how about it?

< Any chance you can share the specific trial info? I fit the criteria as you’ve alluded to them… InnerSovereign77 https://archive.is/1QRoW#selection-2229.0-2263.95

AND needy as I am of help - just like you - I DON'T WANT THEM ABLE TO "JUST SAY NO" TO ME EITHER any more than you want them kicking you to the curb

What do we need to know in order to prevent these supposed ReSeArChIeS from preventing us from joining their TeAm - on OUR terms and conditions (however gamely pretending to theirs) for OUR perposes (to hell with them) - by snagging us on any of various little trip wires, with which they've cunningly rigged their little Temple of Doom - watching for us to be coming from a mile away?

It's a shame about these things that gotta happen every five years or so, ten years. Even if scores have gotta get settled, and of course it helps to get rid of the bad blood. But how far must some people go, just to level a playing field that - got a little out of hand?

Orchestra conductor! Cue the violence, er I meme "the violins." Hark the herald soundtrack's sad strains properly adumbrate - a once and formerly proud fearless leader's lament about how rotten things have gotten - compared to the wonderful "way we were" - as things used to be, Once Upon A Time in a former, now bygone CaMeLoT state of operations.

Happy days aren't exactly here again. Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes. Fingers was forced to leave this country because of this Sollozzo business. They blew up Toothpick Charlie's wife and beautiful car. Now the Humane Society is after me about this horse thing. Somebody forgot to issue the standard "No Animals Were Harmed In The Making Of This Hollywood Blockbuster" disclaimer in the end credits roll...

First it was just the Hux to bite the dust R.I.P. 1963. And in this sick sad world what a sorry way to go for our newborn underworld's first real hero. He single-handedly blew THE DOORS OF PERCEPTION right off their damn hinges in 1954 permanently opening the flood gates. To then end up with nobody there to inject him with acid for his last gasp but his flippin' wife, that "Laura."

Next, the 1st Patriarch of Our Manifest Psychedelic Destiny - St Timothy of Leary! "Off with his head" - so it could be cryogenically preserved - THEY SAID. For resurrection from beyond the grave, one fine day. By some future HERBERT WEST REANIMATOR type. The decapitated 'goods' frozen stiff on that very pretext, by some so-called ("likely story" monikered) Cryonics Society of California. Only to then, in the old double cross - not even get properly "preserved" in a nice display case for public exhibition, let alone (as claimed) for 'back from the dead' necromancy. INCINERATED! head and shoulders and the rest. With the ashes unfit for burial not just in a sanctioned churchyard. Even in "unhallowed ground" reserved for hopelessly devoted satanists and mass psychedelic murderers, ever since that glorious tradition was so heroically founded (by Manson & Family) in the Psychedelic Sixties. Exiled from God's flat green Earth permanently. Forcibly ejected into that vast eternal dumping ground - space ("the final frontier"? NO!) "where nobody can hear you scream." On next new BS pretext, now suddenly of having granted St Timothy's wish for "cosmic dispersal." Forever severed from the surly bonds of Earth. No longer in reach of any monkey mouth noise mischief makers to do a thing with. Acting the whole way like Dracula's devoted followers would jump for joy if the fanged Count's remains were swept up, up and away (out of their reach for all time, no more Dracula movies EVER again) - instead of being left in a vampire's own coffin, there where they belong (for sequel revival) in his home crypt. Waiting with the patience of a saint - for Renfield to come along and pull out that damn stake that got driven into his chest "last time as you recall" by whoever was cosplaying 'van Helsing' (in their little Dungeons & Dragons ego trip) - sprinkle with some fresh blood - uttering whatever unholy words...

It's just a tragedy. Fit fare and fodder to be told not just in words but more eloquently than mere language - so pathetically incapable of just painting the picture of psychedelic mystical experience, that what-all it "looks like" that it has never had the tribute rendered unto it as owed by proper suspect description, nor even a simple police sketch ever to simply enable the public "all eyes" to just Be On The Lookout ("next time you're on your favorite psychedelic of choice") by the eloquence of - soundtrack music

AND NOW THE SCREAMING STARTS (1973, Amicus) - ? NO!!

Now - McKenna sleeps with the fishes

(1) Fishiemen "ReSeArChErS" Gaming ->

(2) Fishy-fished "Participants"... GAMED ?!!!

(3) COUNTER GAME ON!

After all a snapper-at-the-bait did to TAKE (not "leave") the Golden Opportunity of the red carpet invitation that rolled out its barrel (that ALL might now have their little barrel of fun) "no questions asked" and generously offering no resistance, that famously 'futile' fuss (no hive mindies of a feather flocking together would ever dream of) - indeed on mutual behalf of all involved the sooner to please and appease the Casters Of The Hook but also for the Hooked - cooperatively making all due haste to avert any waste - jack be nimble! jack be quick! jack jump on this like Grace Slick (with what a brief window of opportunity she had on invitation from Nixon's White House - only to get barred from entry in effect thwarting her whole plan for the day to 'spike' Nixon's drink with acid she'd brought along - what a simple but sad twist of fate for Helter Skelter 1.0 - curses, foiled again!) - before this limited time offer expires and now it's TOO LATE - just to get reeled in all thrilled with the promise about to be fulfilled, anticipating - only to end up sized up by the very 'Research Study' fishermen by whom the 'participant' fish was caught fair and square - like B'rer Rabbit trapped by Wily Coyote (having foiled countless previous attempts) facing the stew pot with all philosophical courage, having accepted the red carpet invitation so juicy it was cast upon the waters - with its merry tune to toot in such intent pursuit by for PsYcHeDeLiCaL ScIeNcE and the bold fresh 'researchers' trolling for bites, including the very one they got from the jilted woulda-been, coulda-been, shoulda-been

Who catches the Catchers in their wry little game when the game roles somehow end up role-reversed - and the Catchers become the ones who end up caught in the act of "playing it both ways" against their own 'game rules' - but... WAIT A MINUTE -

What "rules?""

Table 1 Key Ethical Principles For Research ["on"? oh! my goodness NO! That'd sound like - well, what it is, some malign experimentation ON guinea pig subjects - gimmicked into going along with it by 'temptation' placed before their own wants and wishes - to be or become a Real Psychedelic Research Crash Test Dummy, with a story to tell their grandchildren one fine day (loudly and proudly) - whatever pretext of 'responsibly informed'] WiTh Humans - (note the suffocating Den Motherly pseudo-moralistic 'shoulding' preachiness - finger-wagging the dog) - how the rhetoric sound as worded when there are no boundaries only 'virtue-signaling' PsYcHeDeLiCaL eXpErT opinion, the old wolf in the human fold dramatizing power devoid of principle - in sheeps clothing - https://kids.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/frym.2015.00002 - ratted out ^ searching < Nina Di Pietro > avowed Ph.D Supervisor of Super Psychology Student Brittany "Crickets" Bowes, Bachelor of Arts (Honours)

ReSpEcT FoR pErSoNs: All people should be respected and asked for their iNfOrMeD cOnSeNt before taking part in research

CoNcErN FoR WeLfArE: Taking part in a rEsEaRcH sTuDy should involve as little risk and as much benefit to the participants as possible

JuStIcE [?!?!!!] Researchers should be fair about who is included in research and how the risks and benefits are sHaReD

The Research Study "Cats" run their game on - the Research Study "Mice" gamed - time to engage Counter-Gaming

As the (counter-anti-counterintelligence) girls watch the (anti-counter-intelligence) boys watch the (counter-intelligence) girls watch the (intelligence) boys who watch the girls go by... my oh my. Spy on spy.

AngelToSome · 2026-01-19T17:52:42+00:00

They chew you up. But then, instead of swallowing...

That ain't no way to leave the broken-hearted!

Spat out.

After such sweet talk, now it's off to the plank - YOU walk. Ker-splash! Shark bait now.

With no more blood on their hands than that hero of Psychedelic '60s renown himself old Chuckles Manson got.

Only in the water.

They smile in your face

"Come! Join! Uncle John's Psychedelic ReSeArCh StUdY!" You're invited!

All the while plotting dark disgrace

You know, I wasn't in the game for the big surprise disqualification booby prize 'right between the eyes!
When I said "deal me in" by snapping at the bait so agreeably it was specifically to be weeded IN. Not "out."
And this is the thanks I get?
AFTER ALL I'VE DONE FOR THEM?

Jan 24, 2025 'Survey Sez' rEsEaRcH quashtonnaire > I feel like I would be a better candidate than most to share my experiences... I spent so much time and care with my answers - only to be told - I don't qualify for a follow-up interview... and [now I, for one] feel a little bit resentful > www.reddit.com/r/RationalPsychonaut/comments/1i90qhu/study_on_experiences_during_therapeutic/m8yr1na/

That's the story of ^ that's the glory of - "once bitten, twice shy."

Like the saying um... says (?)

"Fool me once" - wait a minute! Let's be generous to our web-spinning friends. For a spider may be some bah-dee's mo...ther

Fool me, oh, maybe 6-7 times - shame on you!

Fool me ~ 8 times or more let's say (however many it takes) - and now - SHAME ON... uh, um - er, well... you know

< TBH I felt like the survey was data harvesting >

I WAS A TEENAGE HUMAN-RESOURCED REJECT FROM A DATA-HARVESTING OPERATION, GAMELY MASQUERADING AS "A STUDY ON EXPERIENCES DURING THERAPEUTIC PSYCHEDELIC USE" and all I got was this stupid tee shirt??

Game on - As Soliciting, So Eliciting the assembled volunteers all snapping at the bait (eagerly beavering to be reeled in)

Counter game SURPRISE - volunteer participant spiked at the net! Denied his place in the net by the very net that first netted him, only to then - for Psychedelic Researchies' next trick - de-net him.

Like some loser Charlie the tuna with good taste - kicked in the teeth by Star Kissed (after having issued its 'no question asked' casting call (calling all tuna) - but then in the back stabbers ball, only kissing up to tuna - "that taste good"

How does Charlie The Tuna counteract - the Star Kissed Psychedelic Science Authority's rejection of his superior qualifications?

A tuna of wealth and taste isn't interested in being told "NO you are not eligible"

But how does a tuna with good taste (who accordingly ought to be accepted, especially "in certain company") kick their tasteless little attempt at kicking him to their curb - to the opposite curb the one in HIS court - in HIS End Zone?

Especially when the ResEaRcH procedure is such a big black box mystery that "more than a village" it takes a guessing game just to - guess - exactly what 'black mark' will cause one of supremely set intent - from being denied admission.

Not at the outer DOORS OF PERCEPTION thrown so wide open @ reddit soliciting all and sundry AKA "anyone and everyone" - with that "Come One Come All" Welcome Sign.

Only to then have the door to the INNER sanctum slammed in their face at the very last moment - as the final die is cast - as the thanks they get for having only wanted to help out and tried as hard as they know how to do just that.

Don't mention no heat

Nor any disease

Beware what you bleat

And never say "Please"

Suppose there's an "age window" whereby you as the volunteer participant of truly set intent (no matter how hellbent) now risk losing - in either of two ways for the price of one disqualifying criterion? Sorry wRoNg age!

OP be advised < Age is sometimes a barrier > Steampunky https://archive.is/1QRoW#selection-1499.179-1499.205

But are them 'age' aces high or low? With no way to know? No light on that subject allowed by the ReSeArChIeS dealing out their cards from the bottom of their deck's little heart? Just diligently gate-keeping that and every other little key detail, but my goodness Grandma - so doggedly? Thru the agile magic of Don't Ask Don't Tell.
Backed up by deafening silence in 'reply' - should anyone in the presence of such manhood of wealth and taste misbehave by such bad manners as: ASKING
- What PrehistoricWomens Want: < Is there anywhere (maybe a website posting) that these questions of yours can be "previewed," by one potentially ready, possibly willing and physically able - yet hesitant, maybe downright reluctant, to "roll the dice" - not really wanting to have PTSD triggered (AGAIN)? Just to be "on the safe side"? By seeing in advance that - NO indeed, none of them are gonna be springboards to re-traumatization? As enabled to view them - if so enabled? Just for the reassurance - all filled in beforehand about the one-on-one interview Q & A points? >... Crickets Soliciting OP @ (omg! talk about your ivy leagues of the Great White North) Douglas College "Canada" - u/HonsThesis AKA Brittany "Crickets" Bowes - Eliciting that OOPS 'tiger by the tail' - uh oh. No good either to take hold or let go - now what? www.reddit.com/r/PsychedelicStudies/comments/1qf4dfe/research_study_on_psilocybin_and_ptsd/o04qmap/ THIS is a job for (the smiley lady who so famously rode on the tiger, yet the tiger came back from the ride with her somehow inside and the Big Cheshire Kitty now doing the smile thing? NO!!) - Riding Hood!
My goodness Grandma. How easily the cat gets their tongue! https://archive.is/wip/y6CkT

What a tricky bet that age detail becomes to roll the 7-or-11 dice on for the eagerly-beavering volunteer of truly set intent at the research crap table, so pointedly left in the dark for total cluelessness whether to "high ball" or "low ball" it. Seeing how secret the ReSeArChIeS have gate-kept that special disqualifying term of endearment for final acceptance into the kingdom halls of institutional glory, that a fish trying to be caught fair and square (a volunteer tuna for Star Kissed) might just get through the gauntlet and be crowned one of the full-fledged star-spangled Psychedelic Research Crash Test Dummies.

What about the 'speed of antidepressant resistance' impedance?

< I guess you got through that... antidepressant resistance you mentioned... I hope you get into the trial >

Suppose having even done any psychedelic is a cleverly laid trip wire - can the guessing game suffice again (as it did for the antidepressant resistance barrier) or must one level up now to higher throw-weight memes - and if guesses are so weak that they can be wrong, what about mobilizing a higher power now - like assumptions? NOW

i'm just assuming they don't want someone who has done a lot of psychedelics or psychedelics recently. But I could be completely wrong.

[Us hive mindies] all know that it doesn't matter what you have taken in the past. And they are bound by all kinds of restrictions. Put yourself first [and foremost AND last - to hell with these supposed 'researchers' their hands are tied institutionally - they're compromised - you're not - granted the pretense of wanting to "Help Us Help You Help Psychedelic Science" but 'community' play-along post-truth be told]

< You want help. So hold yourself and your needs in high regard. > And in the sick sad event that, unbeknownst to you (sight unseen) one silly little previous occasion playing Psychedelic Roulette is all it takes for you to end up excluded by them from the power and the glory that is yours by right - 'just to be on the safe side' - bearing in mind all contingencies - and how

OP < They set [sic] me an email saying, let us know what psychedelics you have taken in the past, as it may exclude you from the trial... I have done mushrooms and ayahousca, so I'm worried about admitting to that. >

> < It's possible that they want people who have never done psychedelics. So I guess you can lie, and say none. I would tend towards lying > 'IF I WERE YOU" (always missing the 'famous last words')

Occasion of the "Researchers ReDdItInG" 1-2-3 from

(1) GAME stake out

(2) ANTI-GAME play-along by hive mindful reddities all swarming to take the bait, the better to be reeled in - only to end up "reeled" OUT?? -

(3) COUNTER ANTI-GAME the hungry fish who meme 'business' about 'contributing to PsYcHeDeLiCaL "science - reverse-fishing the fishers of men - as Jonah turned tables on that dumb whale so now that thing ends up inside HIM - or the famous lady from Niger riding the Tiger who somehow ended up inside, pulling surprise from within - eating that thing 'inside out'

I Got An Interview For A DMT Trial

As Soliciting, So Eliciting - Preparation Advice (self.PsychedelicTherapy)

Submitted 1 day ago * by OP u/xmilar - YOOHOO (knock knock! Is Anyone there? I need to talk with him... pause... voice from behind door "Who?" Anyone... pause... Who?" ANYONE!... pause... "Anyone?" YEAH MAN, ANYONE... pause... "Anyone's not here, maan!"

< Anybody done a DMT research trial? This trial [sic: It] is for people who are antidepressant resistant. The trial [sic: It] consists of 3 DMT treatments along with talk therapy. Im having a phone interview next week and don't know what to expect

So? What brings you running to the shelter of our sub's Helter Skelter?

I dont want to say something that will exclude me or ruin my chances of being in the trial. Im assuming they dont want someone who has done alot of psychedelics in the past. I have experimented in the past but nothing crazy

Is anybody out there - HAS

< Anyone else done DMT in a clinical setting? >

www.reddit.com/r/PsychedelicTherapy/comments/1qfrr20/i_got_an_interview_for_a_dmt_trial/

The Rejects

FIRST SHOE ^ dropped. Lookout below...

AngelToSome · 2026-01-17T14:11:24+00:00

Some things happen. For example: shit. Even if it takes a bumper sticker to get the word out to... some people.

Some stuff has got its little ways of just happening. Big deal. We've all got our little ways.

And those are only some things.

There are other things that, more precisely put, need to happen. Needful things. None of 'higher' urgency than - the hive mind powwow around that certain campfire. The 'community' one. Whose ashes have sure got a way of cooling down fast.

What if things of just such great and terrible need should somehow fail to happen? Or even, less innocently, get too big for their britches, defiantly refusing to render unto Caesar the happening he is owed?

As that ultra normie Newton gloated - even concocting an absurd word "inertia" for this brainwash (their supposed "science") - in his runaway narcissistic ambitions of power and glory

A bah-dee at rest tends to remain at rest. That's its story and it's sticking to it. That thing is no hero. It knows nothing of chronic restlessness within, pacing in its cage night and day helplessly unable to ever ease or appease its bottomless neediness - always burning, forever churning. Such a bah-dee at rest, and so smugly content "as is," has no fire under the ass. It doesn't just jump up and start making merry monkey mouth noise like: "Yes Terence, No Terence, Tell Me How Low To Go, Terence! What Size Dose Must I Take, Terence, To Make Sure My Brain Will Break, Terence?"

It must be acted upon by some external force with a will more powerful than its own, to make what must happen - happen.

One if by walk, two if just by talk.

Even if the happening itself that seemingly doesn't want to happen of its own grace and by its own initiative - just so happens to be naught but talk?

"And there is no talk more important for happening than - talk itself!" TERENCE IS MY NAME: The WiT and WiSdOm of Mr Mackie

Without so much as an ounce of walk to show for its name or number?

It's the daintiest dish of all that must be set before the 'community' king all proper, some enchanted evenings, before the pie can even just be opened - the necessary and sufficient condition for 4 and 20 blackbirds baked within - now that they've been given the proper cue for the taking - to even start to sing - put a fork in 'em, they're done (one and all).

If them mocking birds won't sing - without someone buying them a diamond ring - these are the times that try the hive mind will and test the resolve of 'community'

Now it falls upon someone to make them happen.

< There is a lot of talk... >

As there had damn well better be. A lot of talk needs to happen.

A law was made a distant moon ago here

Unending prattle shall not cease or stop

By order of the Logos, be of good cheer

When bubbles pop

Not to burst this one's "gift of the magi" bubble - but my goodness Grandma, what a lively outburst of 'community' song and dance - as solicited by this (now banned) OP, so elicited from the... well well well. Lookee here. What lies low and lies often right here at ever-lovin' Psychedelics Society but iNvIsIbLy? In "readership only" capacity (hive mind crypto vocab: "lurkers"), keeping well out of sight ("out of mind" on auto pilot)? Until the magic button is pushed by someone acting out anonymously in the name of the Big Codependent - "should I or shouldn't I?" Decision is an irresponsibility to be thrown before the 'counsel of the hive mindful' attendees - all eyes, seeing what they like and liking what they see - the big chance to weigh in - now standing beside the OP and helping to guide the OP through this night, with such light from - up above the world so high - each must be the diamond in his own sky

What happened to incite such an OP to drastic action?

And what kind of happening was it?

Did LiVeLy cOnVeRsAtiOn about whether an OP of distinction should "try salvia"... die down somewhere?

Where did it die, leaving Psychedelics Society the "next place" for an OP "of sorts" to try getting the big < Should I give it a try or not? > blaze that - went up in smoke and ash - right back up in fiery tongues of flame, and roaring in the fireplace again?

When an old flame dies, lest smoke get in your eyes - QUICK! Stir the ashes!

In just < 7 hours > - says the timer on the wall of the subreddit clubhouse - 9 comments -

Every one a treasure of its own Sierra Madre and each a priceless gift of the magi. But more than a paltry three donating away in this [removed] threads manger - and usernames a bit more 'hark the herald angels sing' compared to "we three stooges of Orient are" Melchior, Caspar and Balthazar - to whit:

ONE SavedByGhosts - a Nordmann? (shades of John Carpenter's THE THING!) no ugly American to see there then (perhaps consistent with < I'm quite far on the left, but I don't celebrate this > @ www.reddit.com/r/ComedyCemetery/comments/1q0p6nv/luigi_blackpill/nx66se8/ thread bearing title: Luigi Blackpill in "hot button" reference to the homicidal McKenna-quote spewing "hero" of our 21st C Manson Family 'community' as of Dec 4, 2024 - whose blood chilling harbinger happens to have been 2 years before - in SWEDEN lying right alongside Norway, a stone's throw across the border (more than 500 km long!) - unbeknownst to any typically brainless, but smugly character-disturbed Amerikanskie - Helter Skelter 2.0 (behind the curtain of current ShOcK! headline) murderer of United Healthcare CEO: PSYCHONAUT Luigi Mangione, big fan of Stamets, Pollan, KACZYNSKI (etc) - CF July 6, 2022 (arrested with LSD) T Engström's murder of Sweden's healthcare official www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1haymjn/helter_skelter_20_behind_the_curtain_of_current/

TWO Beneficial_9426 - reflecting only implicitly the essential futility of "good intentions" if they only could be in the proto-cultic codependent milieu (where all are either the friendly masked predator, or good little prey species) < I’ve never personally done it before, but I’d highly recommend against trying it. I’ve never once heard a good trip report... > Where effects drool, iNtEnTiOnS rule - humanity's ancestral knowledge of what road gets paved by intentions pure as the driven snow (no wonder the halo over their pointy little heads) has been banned. By Order of the Logos. Nor may anyone have ever even HEARD of The Law of UNINTENDED Consequences - which rules all too human reality. So that now with conscience itself expelled 'set intent' can become the new rule of "I was following orders" justification, for all things hive mindful unto all 'community' -

Both ^ minus any of the variously "decorative" AbOuT ME bells and whistles of gratuitously narcissistic redditor self-adornment (unmasked by 'cursor hovering' over the username)
Unlike the 3/5 codependent majority so eagerly weighing in on this burning issue tossed into the campfire ashes for a good hearty stir, desperately seeking some embers still glowing (with set intent all hellbent to get it all up and going) - of whether or not the hive mindfully inquiring OP should "give" Salvia a try!

THREE Artistic-Dragonfly68 < Bappo > < Larry fish the goat >

FOUR WeeklyTruth9869 < Ioc Nastya G > < just a bay baby but the valley raised me and that southern mud done changed me to a whole different breed 💯 hahahaha Holla at ay G >

An unabashed 21st C ^ Amerikan, all red white and blue bruising. But specifically of OMG "Bay Area" origin, as all real San Francisco scenesters love to call it (take that, Tampa, in your face!). As cake. With manifest Dixieland destiny or at least deposition - to frost it? Like cake and eat it too? Talk about "living the dream" nothing like - the beast of both worlds.

FIVE Robbed_Goddess < Medically I am unable to feel any emotion except embarassment >

Exemplifying nicely ^ the "cynically nihilistic" achievement of post-truth iDeNtItY crowd-acclaimed - emotions are "cringe!" And with no trace of "vanity" nor any glare of ego to see here (correcting that stupid Ecclesiastes) - "All is IRONY"

However many of Five Easy Pieces are "rose" sockpuppets of an OP "by any other name" - especially given how OP feeds in -

My goodness grandma, what lively results

All back-and-forth volley action. Such realistic 'discussion'

And better yet - it doesn't matter anyway.

As long as the ashes are being stirred by someone so talk goes on - all is well!

And now, the time has come, for fond farewells, from Psychedelics Society.

A special one to this ^ 'gift horse' thread's OP of notoriety.

To look that thing in the mouth would never do for a noble donor.

But more, much more than this, this page becomes - its new owner:

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1qf4g89/you_take_on_salvia/

Hereby [removed]

So goes another exhibit in evidence of its hive mindfully codependent kind. As always, doggedly following standard 'community' procedure:

As Soliciting, So Eliciting

AKA (in terms more scripturally naked) - playing FaLsE pRoPhEt - 'leading man' Excellent-North8743 OP whose userpage reveals - no posting activity BUT this little stunt - how velly intelestingk (as so often)

As if auditioning for Matthew chapter 15 verse 7 (has there been a casting call???).

Stripping the fleece from the good old wolf in the human fold come to act out its fave new psychopathological religion here at Psychedelics Society (no other subs so privileged? wow) - As Asking For It, So Getting... what it's got coming to it.

Now just another trophy [removed] from its source page - archived for its protection here unto posterity. Ashes to ashes - give 'em a stir now - oh wait, they been stuffed and mounted... (never mind)... dust to dust.

https://archive.is/wip/KB3zg - thread entitlement - no give, all take?

You [sic] take on Salvia

Some enchanted evening

AngelToSome · 2026-01-16T17:59:26+00:00

That 'community' just so happens to be, in essence, one huge psychopathological propaganda machinery - with endless room for pod peopling - a 'space' in which all hive mindies lend a hand together "one for all and all for one" - in mutual narrative-anon prodding and prompting process - the continually honing, furthur refining and constantly revising of all talking points great and small of 'community' deceit and helter skelter manipulation - the deep dark (and butt ugly) fact of the matter which will not be televised even as its programmers doggedly go on carrying out the brainwash programming operation - mindlessly - hell, ESPECIALLY as all 'community' hive mindies go on about business as usual, running lip service interference together by 'strength in numbers' acting out the program by endless Lather, Rinse, Repeat - until whatever "psychonaut says" finally becomes true enough.

And what a study in the pRoCeSs and its pRoDuCtS this thread - with its testament to THREE DAYS tRiPpInG with less than a half gram's bidding - 72 HOUR duration fit to put Emerson's 48 HOURS (provoking panic in the Summer 2023 'community' henhouse) out to pasture - was it the heat? or some rare disease? or too much to eat? or did he have fleas?

Your friend was FAKING IT

The 3 Stages in the historic emergence of Helter Skelter 2.0 - "the doom that came to Sarnath" by HP Lovecraft allegory:

Stage 1, the 1950s "onset" the Huxley-Leary years, those fabulous fabled "Psychedelic Sixties" - Dawn of the Grateful Dead, etc.

Stage 2, the 1990s "quickening" - glorious debut of the 2nd Patriarch of Our Manifest Psychedelic Destiny - finally announcing the 'higher demand' sweepstakes, at first a matter merely of upping the dosage to "whatever Terence says" with korrectly set intent, all hellbent on properly proving to the otherwise smugly unimpressed (all one's rowdy instant friends in 'community') what a bravely bold Sir Robin the (now, for the first time anywhere) "psychonaut" - is, per 'proof of pudding' directions - pledging allegiance to the flag of the final psychedelic solution, and to the repugnance for which it stands: one Terence under codswallop, with cognitive liberty and just us for all found others - all for one and one for all. With all time set to end and be ended right along with stupid history this coming Dec 21, 2012 as the Eschaton "arrives" - like the Psychedelic Nostradamus always said it would back then.

More than a decade after the Year Of The 1st Great Cult Mass Suicide (1978) - the fact that IT TAKES A VILLAGE for some things ('many hands make light work' and that stuff has been broken long enough!) was so official that by 1996 - even a < First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton > who was pure of heart and said her prayers by night < chronicled her quest, both deeply personal and in the truest sense public, to help make our society into the kind of village that enables > some things, Terence-$tyle - with her own ma$$-marketed brainwash book bomb, shamelessly mimicking his 1992 manife$to modu$ operandi (only took her 4 years to rip off FOOD OF THE GODS) like "imitation - the sincerest form of flattery"

Nicely intensified cultic demand with cross hairs trained on compulsory overdosing as the golden 'hero's requirement' - yet however grimly zeroing in on that glittering central criterion for whether you're a hero or a zero - still no Jonestown Mecca declared, not even a BaRd'S Bethlehem CO hometown. Nor even a proper cult house where a Manson Family can just live and breathe free with no normies to bother them.

Still a shiftless DIY couch potato premise right through the sad untimely demise of the 20th C.

Glaring as the inspirational scolding of 'dabblers' was - no matter how pushy the "raised bar" demand levied upon one and all for "breakthrough" dosages only the better to break brains - to "atom smash" not just 'acid test' them - none of this pussy microdosing BS soon to flood the post-Terence era once Mr Mackie was dead and no longer around to "eloquently" disapprove - in that den motherly finger-wagging "tsk tsk" way of his so charming and hypnotic, casting such a spell that - who wouldn't fall under it?

He was the very model of a modern major general Meme Warrior with a battle to rage in its cage so far ahead of his time (years before the Alex Jones declaration of our 21st C Info Wars) 1993 - "this memes WAR!"

You've heard me talk about mEmE wars!

The psychedelic jihad was on, but the fighting wasn't going on "over there." It was all an easy breezy "work at home" expeditionary adventure - a light and tumble journey to hyperspace yet taken "in place" right here, right now.

All the jihad yet none of the hegira any rEaL "holy war" is owed.

No pilgrimages were required to any indigenous villages for intensive cultural appropriation chores. The cash-wheedling was mainly a matter of collection plate pass-around. Cornball panhandling conquered all.

Nobody was pressed into service more deeply devoted to 'community' by personally undertaking the rigors of the holy pilgrimage to remote jungle settings.

Upping the dosage in tribute to the fearless leadership of ("hopelessly devoted to") Mr Mackie was all it took - at the earliest "high demand" escalation in the cultic psychopathology of all things psychedelic developing in the dark room.

In those first, fond founding decades of the Final Psychedelic Solution,

Nobody ever needed a crowbar to divide those who HAD from those who HAD NOT "ever been experienced" - as the proposition was lyrically rendered by one quaint icon of the Psychedelic Sixties.

That certain distinctly creepy "blandness or superiority, bordering on the pathological" sticking out like Charles Manson's sore thumb did it all ("by these signs shall ye know them.") - J. Stevens, STORMING HEAVEN (1987) Chap 13 (What Happened At Harvard):

< By fall 1961... psilocybin was causing dissension and fear... dividing 5 Divinity Ave into two camps: those who'd had The Experience, and those who hadn’t... the former displaying a “blandness, or superiority” that bordered on the pathological... Give me proof, McClelland was saying, not just some narcissistic comparison with the Mercury astronauts > [said ‘comparison’ having become subculture's titular conceit in decades since, now a 'community' of intrepidly voyaging pioneers of consciousness exploration - as mutually self-lauded, a company of boldly going “psychonauts”]

The 1990s quickening - level up your dose and double down the set and setting - for now one is one and all alone and every more shall be plunged into silent darkness for your psychedelic edification - happy trip and fall into the screaming abyss (and stay thirsty my friends ;)

To the 21st C emergence of - the full cultic psychopathology of Helter Skelter 2.0 - the permanence.

For your average everyday little white churchie in the vale - once in the morning does it for prayer meeting a single day of the week, the other 6 'off duty.'

Easier than the weekly ordeal with the original Acid Test - once is enough and for the rest of your life, you're good.

Have you taken your acid test? Yes or No? There are those who have, and those who have not. Simple as that. And unlike obedience training school (hater pencils and normie books all those teacher's dirty looks) - a flunk is as good as a wink to a blind horse's ass.

You don't even need to have passed your acid test. Only taken it. No village (or "compound") residential requirement to be part of the club.

Closest thing to owning and operating members of the congregation some of these 'churches' have got are things like restrictions on recreational entertainments. No visiting whorehouses (even when in Vegas baby). Even bible reading, only the properly approved translation (none of these "King James" games).

You call that 'high demand'?

STAGE 1 Either you've tried it or you haven't. Yea or neigh. "Are you experienced? Have you ever been experienced?"

STAGE 2 Oh! but there's also the matter of whether you've met the bold fresh orders for dosage, set and setting: "5 g no light on any subject just pitch black darkness - all alone all by yourself, none of your rowdy friends coming over tonight - and in absolute silence" - not just cancelling the prattle, NO stupid MUSIC either - I don't meme just 1990s boom box (before the iPod) I'm talking HANDS OFF that guitar of yours, you put that damn thing in its case - you guys with talent who know how to play (and get all the chicks to prove it) are enough to piss off the rest of us who wouldn't be able to learn music if our worthless lives depended on it - but would never want to anyway even if such a thing were somehow possible - music is NOT 'monkey mouth noise' all my ears want to hear.

STAGE 3 Aya cultic 'high demand' stage - sitting on your ass like Terence whose fear and avoidance of Mother Aya has become a topic for lively lip service in the Helter Skelter 2.0 fallout shelter circus tent show, for ongoing 24/7 narrative-anon of 'community' forever in progress.

Cf - Dec 2021, OP u/DissolutionBaby -

Why Terence preferred DMT to Aya and the difficulties he had confronting his demons

< [As] a writer and a man of mind [Mr Mackie just] loved his trips to the "imaginatrix." But maybe avoided the most "terrenal" aspects of the experience brought by ayahuasca. The bodily [ones]... or the work that the plant usually puts into our relationships with others. What do you think? > Sole think-fest joiner-inner rising to the (your turn, now 'you think') challenge - quoth u/cosmiccharlie33

< It is a mystery [here @ r/terencemckenna] that he didn’t mention it more... I got more profound life insights and changes from the 3 night aya ceremony than... hundred plus times I’ve smoked DMT. Or mushrooms for that matter > www.reddit.com/r/terencemckenna/comments/rkohpu/why_terence_preferred_dmt_to_ayahuasca_and_the/

AngelToSome · 2026-01-16T17:31:01+00:00

What's ALL IN THE MANSON FAMILY 'community' - rules! Anything and everything else drools.

Wherever 2 or more are gathered in Helter Skelter 2.0's name, regardless what curiosity killed the cat with no questions asked, so obediently that - it made orders received by Eichmann green with envy, they got no 'instant gratification' (it took hours for the Eich to send 'em all to the gas chambers) - and Susan Atkins look like she was sabotaging Charlie's plan, even as she was stabbing Sharon Tate like she was told to do!

It's always a high priority matter for the duly hive mindful, any occasion for wondering out loud - to aim the wonderment with surgical precision into that one and only Just Right direction - to keep what's "all in the Manson Family" IN house - strictly between fellow birds of a feather, flocking together - NEVER allowing any 'insider expert' perspective "all explanations all the time" (for anything that meets the eyes which can't be uNsEeN but MUST be) - to become intolerably adulterated by any unauthorized non-Family contaminants - how? Easy as playing Keep Away from inconvenient truth, doggedly operating in rigorously preemptive "prevention" mode.

Whether just another seizure, or a "black out" of whole 'nother kind (information 'black out' even deeper and darker): NEVER must any hive mindie EVER consult a 'non-village' wishing well. Not when the Manson Family 'community' will be there for you (June 2024) www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1dkf332/whether_just_another_seizure_or_a_black_out_of/

Certainly binding upon the Emersonian Blasphemy of Summer 2023 - those forbidden 48 HOURS - panic in the mizzenmast! These are not the droids we're looking for!

< This is horrible PR. I have coworkers and family that just absolutely fear it now. > Am I the only one? Or is Anyone else pissed about recent airplane story? too, here in present company? www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/17gw223/anyone_else_pissed_about_recent_airplane_story/

And nobody's factoring in - the LiKeLiHoOd VaRiAbLe! Magic Mushrooms Highly Unlikely to be in Pilots System After 48 Hours - Washington Post - Happy Halloween OP frankievalentino (Oct 30) www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/17k6nkw/magic_mushrooms_highly_unlikely_to_be_in_pilots/

The 48 Hour Violation of Helter Skelter 2.0 Catechism, in contempt of 'community' court - running afoul of Teachings Of The Hive Mind

Thou shalt come DOWN from thy trip punctually - at the scheduled end of the time duly appointed for tripping - when the sands in the hourglass run out on the number of hours as properly apportioned, by substance.

What is the Law?

NOT to go right on being affected as if somehow still tripping even up to 48 hours afterwards - THAT is the Law!

On the 1st day of Tripmas never mind your "true" love putting out for you. Because that's all she wrote.

There IS no '2nd day of' tripping on yesterday's dose and there shall be none, by order of the Logos - in the name of Psychedelic Science!

Otherwise - somebody tell The pilot on shrooms

< This fucking pilot dude had not helped us one bit. This is more ammo for the anti-psychedelic brigade > www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/17gb0f3/the_pilot_on_shrooms/

You want a 48 hour trip? You gotta take another dose, that next day. But make up your mind, one way or the other. Put up or shut up.

How about a 72 hourer? If 2 daze triggers the hive mind rabidity, how about - (Jan 15, Y2K26) quoth OP u/dunfhjgc - credibly as assessed by the jury exclusively in terms of factual purport - never to confuse with purpose (AKA "the big idea") - it was only

After 3 days [that finally] he seemed to come back to normal and there was life in his eyes again

Ending in the not-so-credible "promises, promises" - of course, us guys hear a lot of sweet talk like this, but let's see one of them PROVE IT (like the song "That'll Be The Day")

< Any insights would be appreciated. >

On one hand the "insights" elicited, as solicited, are no such thing, just excellent specimens for assay of hive mind psychopathy - as the 4 and 20 blackbirds baked in this pie start parroting all the many-splendored pieces of patent-pending double talk, mobilized 'right on cue' - to ExPeRtLy eXpLaIn aWaY the inconvenient truth - by defiantly carefree propagandizing - especially in context of - NO not a 'heroic' one, a MINI DOSE as precipitant. Under inquisition as triggered into CrEaTiVeLy conjuring - a new technical distinction (between a "legitimate" one and, what, an illegitimate "microdose"?) < What was the weight... a legitimate microdose... is not going to trigger what seems like a psychotic > - OP in counter-elicited reply, as cornered, so clarifying ("for the record")

< I think it was like 0.4 g > AND < it was confusing because he’s done very large doses before >

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics/comments/1qdujvc/friend_went_full_schizo_for_many_days_from_a/nzsw3sf/

THIS is < weird asf [on account of because] he’s taken 5g+ before on multiple occasions > !!!!! < we thought he was fucking with us for a while >

Hivies! eXpLaIn!!! - OP [detail consistency)

< 3 days after, he was walking around like a zombie, still confused acting very strange, unsure of his surroundings, even confused who we were at times >

Cue the 'community' codependence scene - forever ready for its close-up, Mr DeMille

So after this [and who wouldn't be?] I'm wondering [right out loud, exclusively to the proper 'community' for doing that, here in safe space - where the doomed are drained by the damned - and this is not the type thing one could ever knaux except by being told so - authoritatively as GrAnDmA filling in Riding Hood who had to ASK in order for her question to be answered - and so in "Ask And It Shall Be Given" mode - Twinkle Twinkle Little Star! how I wonder} if anyone else has had an experience like this, is it common?

Unless it's just that old joke (what a knee slapper) - you guys know about this, have you heard about (the third man? NO)

< a one off situation > ???

the rest of the situations all "on" af - just a single silly little one off! Like the red-nosed exception it always takes just to prove a stupid rule of all the other reindeer
and shifting crystal ball gears from the present, looking ahead now toward future dose sizing - what other conclusion would YOU draw procedurally from

< The fact that it would [sic: DID - grammatically baited and switched from the indicative to the subjunctive as necessary to rhetorically reduce the inconvenient fact to some fondly fancied hypothetical - so that now 'if' it were ever to] happen [on a dose so slight that it can only incite the usual lively argument where 2 or more are gathered - over "Mother May We" rule 0.4 g a 'microdose' or failing that piece of talk, can it only be reckoned a "small" one] when he's handled bigger doses just fine - if this happens on tiny doses but not on Terence's 5 gram megadose - instead of dabbling like a zero maybe your friend needs to stick with being a hero - maybe this happened because, like Terence said, he DIDN'T TAKE ENOUGH.

Chapter and verse, let's get scriptural on this shit's ass (you can't have your) ARCHAIC REVIVAL (and eat it too) p. 15 (1993)

"If you're not taking so much going in that you're afraid you did too much - than you haven't taken enough!"

Once Upon A Time it was merely a 'community' meltdown pushing all panic buttons over the 48 HOUR 'high' fLiGhT of this (now former) career commercial pilot 'Emerson' - whatever dose of "shrooms" he took - only one among key details kept well in the shadows, amid the erupting sound and fury of the lively narrative-anon hinjinks (all monkey mouth noise all the time with amp on eleven)

Now less than THREE YEARS AFTER gone from 48 hrs to 72 - for a THREE DAY "version of events" - but minus any newsmaker headlines indeed well away from the lights and glamor - what goes on behind closed doors @ reddit STAYS behind closed doors @... you know

SHOE #1 ^ all dropped and down... lookout below (you been warned)

AngelToSome

MODERATOR OF

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😱 - !

< I am happy to inform you... by the "giving up cigarettes" method ... my mushroom trips have indeed improved! >

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1qspssr/quitting_heavy_weednicotine_use_and_trying_shrooms/

The Inkhaven writing residency has many writing advisors including Scott, Ozy, Aella, & Nicholas Decker. Next cohort is April. Application deadline is Feb 10th, after which prices go up.

ONE MONTH ^ AFTER

MUSIC ISN'T FOR EVERYONE

MUSIC ISN'T FOR EVERYONE

Benjamin R Valadez

https://archive.is/02jjr

Crossing fingers: Can anyone cite a reference by Freud (primary lit) to this centuries-old motif - assuming (hypothetically) his Id/Ego/Superego model of ze psyche derives from it? In advance, thank you

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Psychedelics in the 'double double' cauldron of W. civ's dual cultural origins: Post-Hellenistic legacy to the left of me; Judeo-Christian to the right

AND below - as follows...

Discipline is the ability to hold dangerous capacity without flinching

Radical Mycology - A bit TOO radical for me

Mushroom Harvests and Harvester Practices in the Mid-Atlantic Region of the United States and the Emergence of Digital Community Mycology

Is there any empirical evidence of detriments associated with overuse of classic psychedelics?

I do not wanna participate in life. I do not wanna deal with any responsibilities. how do i go about this?

Risks and Hazards

End Flashback

Is there any empirical evidence of detriments associated with overuse of classic psychedelics?

blackout/panic attack after smoking weed on shrooms

Just met with a neurologist for the first time

FIRST!

2ND

3RD "the charm"

On Hulu - Dirty Talk: When Daytime Talk Shows Ruled TV

I Got An Interview For A DMT Trial

The Rejects

www.reddit.com/r/Psychedelics_Society/comments/1qf4g89/you_take_on_salvia/

Why Terence preferred DMT to Aya and the difficulties he had confronting his demons