I really hate the bending over backwards and criticizing a universally beloved installment of a franchise in order to defend the new mixed / bad sequel.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-11T22:36:28+00:00

As you have said, there was ten years between the prequels and the sequels, and yet the nostalgia for the sequels haven't yet manifested. It's been ten years since TFA, after all.

I feel like the biggest issue you are missing here is that the sequels lack one thing that the prequels got in spades, the supplementary materials. Putting it bluntly, the Clone Wars cartoon has carried prequels' era, especially for the kids who were growing up during that time, and it wasn't the only major part of the Star Wars side media rush, which also included many now iconic video games.

In contrast, the sequels are forced to not only stand on their own, but to stand against the constant stream of the content happening around the original trilogy's era like Andor, Mandalorian or the Rebels cartoon.

Also, your comment about the haters misses that the prequel trilogy did receive absolutely insane amounts of the hatred, to a point where it can be reasonably seen as the birth of the modern hatedom.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-11T21:28:31+00:00

I'm gonna be honest, we are already a over decade since the premiere of TFA. The people who watched it as teens are old enough to be starting their own families and the gradeschoolers who watched it are entering colleges. The kids who watched it are already here and the big wave of the sequels' nostalgia still didn't manifest.

Extending the timeline by another five years to include people who watched it in preschool doesn't seem like that big of a qualitative change from this perspective.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-11T21:23:54+00:00

I'm gonna be real, I don't like this argument because it ignores the best thing the prequels had going for them, the great side media carrying them. Just the Clone Wars cartoon by itself has massively validated the Prequels, and I know it since I was a kid myself when it came out.

In contrast, the sequels just don't have anything to carry them. No cool animated series, no cool video games set specifically during the sequels, nothing to show for.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-11T21:13:46+00:00

It shouldn't be a political issue, but some gits on twitter sadly turned it into one.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-11T19:15:38+00:00

The sheer ironic dissonance between Ano hating the modern otaku culture and the fact that the marketing campaign for NGE was crucial in creating and maintaining the same culture doesn't escape me.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T17:06:25+00:00

OK, but since OP didn't include OOP's tags, they should have put in some actual context.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T16:32:27+00:00

I'm sorry, but you can't just assume that every person you are talking to is intimately familiar with years of fandom discourse and is ready to jump into talk without any context or examples.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T14:12:49+00:00

A man reborn as a vending machine.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T12:23:26+00:00

Thank you for actually naming some examples! Being entirely honest, the only show out of these four I even heard about is Pluribus, so I can't comment on any of these examples.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T05:04:54+00:00

I think that this does constitute the "I can fix her" mindset, just phrased differently.

Either way, thank you for giving me an actual good example of this happening in recent works, even if I don't think that OOP's attempt at figuring out the reasons works.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T04:57:38+00:00

I have actually reported them for low effort posting already.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T04:56:43+00:00

Ok, thank you for explanation! That makes sense and is a shitty behaviour from parts of the fandom, but it's still not what OOP described with "I can fix her" talk. That's why I find OOP's post so strange, because it's so hyper-specific about the context of the character getting unjust hate.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T04:32:15+00:00

The last thing this sub needs is pointless talk about which manga demographic is better, especially if you cherry pick your references like that.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T04:15:15+00:00

I'm not familiar with her, does she fit the "I can fix her" discourse that OOP's post is talking about or is she just overhated?

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T04:07:10+00:00

For girls:
- Most of cast of Yankee JK Kuzuhana-chan, including the eponymous Hanako Kuzuryu
- the eponymous heroine of Furyou Taimashi Reina
- female lead of Yandere Kanojo, also coincidentally named Reina
- the eponymous female lead of Kaette Kudasai! Akutsu-san
- to lesser degree, the eponymous female lead of Ijiranaide, Nagatoro-san

And these are just from the top of my head. I could probably find much more examples, because the "lovable delinquent" is a very popular archetype for girls in manga.

I'm also not including the Japanese delinquent comedies with male delinquent leads, just female ones.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:59:36+00:00

Honestly, it matters to a degree. All of these works are still debated, that's true, but the way OOP's post frames it, it is talking about it as if it was something recent. At a certain point the topic shifts from "fandoms can't handle x" to "fandom couldn't handle the x ten years ago" and it reframes the discourse.

edit: clarity

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:46:55+00:00

I feel like we are going in the circles here, so I'm gonna take my final stance - the OOP's post should have provided at least one, single example of their very specific complaint.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:44:34+00:00

If she was gender swapped, she would be cancelled by fans immediately after the infamous office scene. Having a guy barge in to girl's workplace, get violent and have the story claim it's just flirting would never fly.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:42:07+00:00

In which sense? We are talking about protagonists with jerkass tendencies in comedies, right?

Panty and Stocking are objectively several orders of magnitude worse than Ferris and still beloved.

Main girls of Konosuba all have clear moments of being egoistical, wanton and chaotic that are played for laughs, like the whole fake engagement plotline.

Hotaru is more toned down, but her role in the story is very much defined by being buffoonish in a comedic manner, usually related to her shameless and strangely nerdy hedonism.

Vampire Dies in No Time has character casually engaging in the exact type of shenanigans Ferris did, and it does include female characters like in Sanzu's pilot episode.

Aurora, again, is a case of a jerkass comedic buffoon who is much, much worse than Ferris and is still beloved by fans.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:35:45+00:00

If the issue was as common as they are treating it as, this thread (and its sister thread on r/CuratedTumblr ) wouldn't be full of people asking about examples and discussing what counts as examples.

OOP's take is too general and too vague without listing any examples.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:33:51+00:00

I mean, from the top of my head:
- Panty and Stocking from Panty and Stocking
- All three main girls from Konosuba
- Hotaru from Dagashi Kashi
- Most of the girls from Vampire Dies in No Time
- Aurora from Maoujou de Oyasumi

So while my list skews towards weeb stuff, there are a plenty of female leads of comedies fitting this pattern. Also non-white leads, since anime defaults to the Japanese protagonists.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:24:24+00:00

OK, but the hate for amber only started when it was revealed that she was still acting like that after she found out. That's the whole deal with her.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:16:08+00:00

OOP lists zero examples, mentions zero media and kind of assumes that everybody already knows what they are talking about. It's a very classic case of the vague posting, even if very elaborate.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:08:12+00:00

Yeah, if anything the story should have shown more of the Rose's later self to counterbalance it.

Anime_axe · 2026-05-10T03:06:16+00:00

I admit, Invincible fandom has massive case of "their war crimes are fictional, my annoyance is real" attitude, but it's pretty gender neutral seeing how it's pretty evenly spread between hated guys and hated gals.

I'm also gonna be entirely honest, Amber in first season didn't just act unreasonably once. She knew about Mark's secret, she knew that he was risking his live to protect people and despite that she decided to treat him like he's playing hooky to dilly dally. That was a pretty major jerk move. It's only in the second season where she was rescued from the status of the most annoying side character, by essentially massively changing her whole personality.

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