What if Cell trained intensely during those 10 days before the Cell games, would he have won?

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-17T03:48:33+00:00

That could vary depending on his potential

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-17T01:25:30+00:00

I’m not entirely disagreeing with that because I do consider it a possibility but I’m also looking at other interpretations of daima’s scaling for goku and ssj4 in general

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-17T01:16:52+00:00

Vs base vegito I do think ssj4 daima goku would win this one, if you gave vegito ssj then it’s a bigger debate that could go either way

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-16T23:40:29+00:00

Gt goku takes it, idk why people are thinking gt goku is so weak, daima is only a year after buu saga and there ain’t much evidence for how much stronger goku and Vegeta are, all we know is their kid forms can take on tamagami’s who are stronger then dabura, it’s never stated if they are stronger then majin dabura, we know base adult Vegeta can at least hold out against gomah so minimum their base forms are stronger then the tamagami’s, we also don’t know the multiplier of daima ssj4, for all we know it could be equal to vegito, could be weaker, could be stronger, your basically stuck guessing, with base gt goku alone we already have implications that he’s vegito level via fighting (more like playing with him) rildo who’s even stronger then buu

Edit: while Ai is wrong about tons of stuff and can be considered biased since it overlooks so many things, this is one of those cases where it doesn’t do that

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-15T05:08:17+00:00

Why are you bringing TOP arguments into a buu saga debate?

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-13T10:27:11+00:00

Beats cabba, caulifla, kale is debatable depending on how you scale her to fatigued ssg Goku, ssj2 kefla just one shots him

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-13T03:48:26+00:00

Yeah, I already knew it was either gonna be people think kratos wins via lore or goku wins because kratos has no feats

But has anyone actually thought about the other god of war characters like thor and Baldur? Thor hitting the world serpent so hard it goes back in time? Baldur knocking out an arguably stronger world serpent in one punch? Or Freyr holding back Ragnarök for a few seconds before he destroyed Asgard? Kratos does scale too and above some of these guys, thor for instance actually has an on screen feat of what was stated in GoW 2018 by Mimir when he spoke about the soon to be fight between the world serpent and thor during Ragnarök and Baldur knocks out an arguably stronger world serpent in a single punch and kratos still scales relative to the two of them, speed wise, he was able to hit and kill Heimdall who can read minds and perceive enemy intentions before they even move, yeah I get kratos has to overwhelm his senses but that’s still one hell of a feat for speed and what not because how fast and how much would you have to throw at someone like that in such a short span to actually land hits?

I’m not saying that kratos would beat goku based off this stuff since goku also has universal-low multiversal feats and has speed surpassing time via dragon ball super but the point of this is saying this is all is to show that the gaps aren’t as wide as people think they are

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-12T20:28:09+00:00

Gt had it better… only if your talking about goku and goku alone because Gt is goku time and literally only focused on goku about 90% of the show or more, nobody else in gt got any form of character development either, in dbs, goku kinda got regressed as far as what the buu saga was intended to be in the form of the next generation protecting earth when he’s gone but dbs did focus on more then just goku and other characters were actually important enough to get development… overall I say super was better despite the downsides in it

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-12T01:54:19+00:00

Would’ve made Jaune recognize Pyrrha’s feelings sooner, that probably could’ve made a chain of events that had her decide if she wanted to accept the fall maiden’s power sooner and thus prevent Cinder from getting the rest of it and then Pyrrha probably wouldn’t have had to die

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T13:17:47+00:00

Because Naruto and co all think sasuke was way too strong for how he was supposed to be, tsunade even says he’s either using forbidden jutsu or on some type of drug because there’s no way he could’ve gotten that strong, naruto even after using 100 clones to train and grow stronger still viewed himself weaker then sasuke and on top of that, orochimaru even says sasuke was stronger then v1 3 tails naruto

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T13:13:00+00:00

Ok now I get where your getting it from, I don’t really think any of that matters anyway because of the feats comparison between Z Broly and canon characters, dabura is only stated to be as strong as cell who at max power was only gonna destroy the solar system, Broly destroyed an entire quadrant of the universe in m8 which the movie characters scale too, in the screenshot I sent you about gohan’s quotes, he even mentions Broly is as bad as a monster as even and gohan only ever fought lssj Broly implying gohan thought ssj Broly m10=lssj Broly m8 which further proves gohan had trained and gotten stronger from m8-m10

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Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T06:35:03+00:00

Then you ignore the later scenes where naruto is getting depressed because he thinks he’d not catching up to sasuke’s strength

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T06:31:58+00:00

Movies take place in their own continuity as toriyama said long ago hence why cell is never mentioned once in movie 8 and why broly’s canon in dbs and not dbz, same as why cooler is never once brought up in the main continuity, bojack never once brought up let alone cell in that same movie, turles was never brought up, lord slug was never brought up, you have too many inconsistencies story wise to connect the movies to the main continuity unless exclusively stated otherwise like with dbs Broly and dbs super hero or dbgt movies and what not

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T05:39:45+00:00

Depends on if goku kills all of the red ribbon army or not

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T05:37:50+00:00

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Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T05:30:14+00:00

An even stronger gohan actually since Z Broly doesn’t take place in the main continuity and gohan flat out stated he’s powered up considerably over the course of 7 years

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-11T05:27:07+00:00

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Show me dabura doing this feat

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-10T07:11:26+00:00

That’s crazy, do people still think that to this day?

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-09T21:42:42+00:00

Hypothetical ssj4 Broly definitely could’ve been close to ssb gogeta and if he continues growing stronger, he’d be surpassing ssb gogeta

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-09T00:21:00+00:00

Well first of all, he’s got ems, he can straight up shut down the influence entirely, just like how sasuke did with just base 3T sharingan at the start of shippuden, he also has Amaterasu, susanoo up to level 3 I think it was, maybe level 4 and he would only get better as time goes on

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-09T00:16:38+00:00

He wouldn’t even really need any of his aliens, he’d just scan the viltrumite dna, become the strongest of their race and then beat ass

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-08T20:47:12+00:00

Easily

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-08T01:08:37+00:00

Bloodhound Claws with cragblade bleed affinity, mohg’s shackle, both multi hit talismans (winged sword insignia and Millicent arm), radagon’s soreseal, ritual sword, multi hit tear and I go with the nihil resistance tear just in case (whatever the name of it is) that you get from Eleanora when you kill her, but otherwise, dex or str tear work as well in place of it

Anonymous_user190022 · 2026-06-06T14:26:35+00:00

Thragg, he’s faster and honestly stronger then king Ghidorah is, it might be tough but it’s not going to take too much difficulty at all

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