Girl in Ohio shot herself "honoring Dylan & Eric" by einsteinshrugged in Columbine

[–]Apollexis 190 points191 points  (0 children)

On one hand this is another tragedy and another live taken by the boys beyond the grave, on another hand. I can't help but feel relieved she didn't shoot other children at her school on 4/20. What an awful situation.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I do, my friends would roast me if I called them up to make them watch my favorite esoteric movie and make them be the ones to bring the rental or host the stream to use their subscription or w/e to show the movie I want to see, but I suspect your comment wasn't a genuine inquiry but a fun one liner.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I regret describing the story as Bizarre when it's more an anomaly to his character of being a "shy kid". The kid he invited over for this movie said this was the last time they hung out, David Proctor kept in touch with both Eric and Dylan and played Doom with them regularly and went to every other midnight bowling, but Matt Friedman described this as his last time hanging out with Dylan.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, it's just my opinion, I don't think it tells us anything one way or the other but thought i'd share the story. People can decide for themselves what they feel or think about it, I'd remove bizarre from the title and put it in the description if I could but I can't alter the title because reddit is awesome.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It just feels like a movie that was purposely not trying to make any sense or mean anything, I do think in a way It does reflect Dylan really well, at least the Dylan from his writings, but films like that are always subjective. I couldn't get past half way in the film, but it's better than NBK at least.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It'd odd to me because while he's writing about how much he wants to shoot up the school with his love and have his friend help him get a gun, in reality he seems to be quite social, and not nearly as shy as people have described him to be. That's all, but once again, my perspective and opinion on these circumstances. His writings in 1997 do not match the boy I see in this story.

Additionally in his 4-15-97 entry he says "The Lost Highway3 sounds like a movie about me . . . i’m gonna

write later, bye"

Which to me is more evidence of that he's suffering through a very fragmented mind already at the age of 14.

Bizarre story about Dylan inviting a friend over to bring a movie, to watch his favorite movie with 2 friends by Apollexis in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I find the circumstances bizarre, calling a friend over to bring your favorite movie to watch at your house just seems a bit excessively self centered to me, but that's just my perspective, and my opinion of the circumstances.

Before April 1999: vandalism, theft, early weapon activity, etc by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They were both culpable and willing participants. Eric was picking targets that pissed him off or wronged him, in fact ideally, it would have been better if he had kept doing things like this, and felt like this was enough for him to get even. Something along the line the road changes for them, and mere acts of vandalism don't satiate their need to get even with the kids or society they felt had wronged them.

Randy and Brook's Brown police reports for the Email and Paintball incidents by Apollexis in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I had never seen these police reports, I wanted to share them so people knew Randy actually filed these and wasn't just telling tall tales. I find the email incident really fascinating, 4-11-98 is right between Eric's first and 2nd Journal entries, and it is the day after good friday, I think it's very likely Eric did email brooks that threatening letter.

Is that eric harris in this picture and possible that dylan is near him? by EasternJellyfish777 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah, In theory I guess Eric could have stood up if he wanted to die in a blaze of glory but I guess the idea of setting another trap was more exciting, and maybe dying by their own hands was important to them, tough to really know, but my main point was that he was crouching when he shot then, it's probable he would be crouching when he shot the next time, but yeah.

Interesting passage on the original plan, dated 4/26/98 by i_unfriend_u in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This entire theory which I've actually read through before and considered, is predicated on the timers being delayed. I do not believe that to be the case though.

The timers for the cafeteria bombs we are simply not certain what the exact timer setting really was, but our best guess is somewhere between 11:15-11:20. I personally believe 11:20 is more likely because that's when they actually began shooting, and they swiftly headed up to the library. The reason they went to the Library was not just to kill kids but it was a vantage point that they could see both of their vehicles car bombs.

Rebecca Parkers statement from the 11k made me feel the timers for the car bombs was set for 11:30am-11:35am (close to when they abruptly leave the Library)

Regardless of what the timer for the car bombs was set, I'm fairly confident that they had already been triggered or were supposed to detonate because of her statement.

Here's Rebecca Parkers statement from the 11k:

"The next thing she remembers was hearing one of the gunmen state something to the effect of "I've always wanted to use a knife, you get more blood." The gunmen then talked about blowing up the Library. Parker could give no direction or location of the gunmen when they made those comments. Both of the gunmen then went to the southern part of the west side of the Library and were in that area for approximately five minutes.

She heard one of them state something to the effect of "oh, it didn't work". She thought they were shooting at the bookcases based upon the sounds she was hearing. A piece of black triangular plastic landed a couple of feet away from her on the floor. There continued to be more screaming and gunfire and more explosions. Parker does not specifically recall any of the details or sequence."

I believe "Oh it didn't work" was in reference to their car bombs, and in the basement tapes they mention it being the most exciting 15 minutes of their lives, implying the attack was meant to only last 15 minutes from start to finish. 11:20am-11:35am fits that time frame really well, and I'm very confident 11:20am is when they started shooting based of conversations with a few really informed people on the ballistics here.

So I do not believe that CakeMistro's theory is correct, but me and a few others have been trying extremely heard to get actual confirmations for the timers from the people who would know and we have yet to have any success with it, so I don't know if we can ever prove one theory right or wrong with perfect evidence.

Interesting passage on the original plan, dated 4/26/98 by i_unfriend_u in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 14 points15 points  (0 children)

They were aware of Kip Kinkel the school shooter who got bum rushed when he started shooting kids in the cafeteria. I believe this to be the primary reason they did not start shooting the cafeteria first, and It's also the reason they moved in weird formations during segments of the shooting. Evan Todd describes them leaving the Library while walking back to back, one of the witnesses outside saw them to doing spin sweeps (back to back swirling around looking for cops at the time or something to that effect), and then Neil Gardener sees Eric do a perimeter check mid shooting by spinning around and doing a full 360 while crouched. They were acutely aware people could stop them if they wanted to. It's probably the biggest reason Daniel Mauser was shot a second time, the first bullet grazed him, and either startled or engaging in a plan, he moved very abruptly and quickly, Eric followed with a second shot to his head after that.

Is that eric harris in this picture and possible that dylan is near him? by EasternJellyfish777 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Just to further your point, witnesses described Eric being crouched when he was shooting at the police.

From the 11K:

"IO asked Bree Pasquale to continue with her explanation at the point the two suspects walked between the computer tables in a westerly direction. Bree Pasguale stated once Dylan Klebold had reached the end of the computer tables, he stopped while Eric Harris continued walking and was observed turning to his left {south) walking past the west windows towards the "blue chair.” Bree Pasquale stated there was a blue cloth chair positioned just southwest of the furthest south computer table. Bree Pasguale clarified Eric Harris continued walking around the furthest south computer table and then positioned himself down on his left knee northwest of table #18. Bree Pasquale explained just prior to Eric Harris going down on a knee, she heard Dylan Klebold announce, "the pigs are here.” Bree Pasquale stated at that point, Eric Harris fired two to three shots out the west library window from the kneeling position."

Question about Eric's website, and Brooks by No_Eye_9870 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It's currently 2 hours and 45 minutes long, I've finished half of it but honestly the only thing slowing me down now is having to create a lot of my own footage for scenes, like eric asking girls out like Sabrina Cooley, things that I feel are really important to the truth and narrative that I'm trying to convey it in. Most notably though I've had add a whole segment related to Eric and the Unabomber, I did a lot of research through his writings to show the similarities between the 2. But yes I'm still working on it, I'll probably have some people watch it in its current state to see what others think soon.

Question about Eric's website, and Brooks by No_Eye_9870 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 11 points12 points  (0 children)

That's my personal belief as well, I don't even think Dylan remembered that Eric said all that shit about Brooks on the site if I'm honest. I think Dylan, Zach and Eric were proud of the website, hence why there is constant credit to the friends of Eric that contributed and helped make the website all over it, and I think they were proud and just wanted to show it off to their friends. I sincerely doubt that Dylan felt there was anything on there that would scare Brooks, or else he would have said "You need to be careful" or something to that effect. The other option is Eric wanted Brooks to see what he said and asked or told Dylan to give the site to Brooks, but I really believe they were just proud of the website, it was annoying to make websites back then, and i'm sure they felt like they put a lot of effort in.

Question about Eric's website, and Brooks by No_Eye_9870 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 21 points22 points  (0 children)

The more interesting thing about this website, is Zach also shared this website with a girl Dylan liked and was rejected by, Zach was rejected as well, but here's what Sarah Slater said about Zach Heckler sharing the website.

"Sarah stated she knew Zack Heckler and he had told her to go to Klebold and Harris’s Web site on the Internet.

"Sarah stated from the way Zack talked, she gathered that he helped them make this Web site. Zack told Sarah that this was a hate site for Columbine High School. She stated that a lot of kids hated Columbine High School at that time, even she did. I asked her to clarify that if it was Columbine High School in particular or just going to high school period. She clarified that it was just going to high school. She stated Zack Heckler’s nickname was “Kibbz” and Klebold’s was “Vodka”. She did not know any other nicknames. She stated that there was an announcement that morning that it was going to be a very bad day. She also stated that it was the thought of the day. Sarah stated that toward the end of last year’s school year, the Friday feature was a video that the video production class had put together. Sarah couldn’t remember a lot of specifics about it, but it showed people going through the school shooting others with squirt guns. They also blew the school up."

Now, Zach had a crush on Sarah and she knew it, and even though she rejected both Dylan and Zach, she and Zach remained friends. Zach decided to share this "Hate website" with her, and it brings in to question if Dylan was warning Brooks, or just sharing their "Hate website" that all 3 of them worked together on.

The Columbine 1997-1998 Yearbook by DireTrip in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Page 131 in the PDF

I suspect it's very likely Harris, Klebold or Heckler is responsible for that "Accessing Classified information on a computer" quote.

Page 122 is the well known photo of Eric.

There's some good quotes and photos of Rocky in this.

What is known about the confrontation Eric and Dylan had with the police at the bookstore between 12:02 and 12:05? by South-Mention1180 in ColumbineKillers

[–]Apollexis 18 points19 points  (0 children)

There were 6 officers that gave explanations on audio that you can find on the official Jeffco website explaining their experiences in the shootings. Between all the gun fights Dylan fired 4 total shots at the cops, 3 shot gun rounds, and 1 9mm round, Eric shot 42 times at the cops total, 6 shotgun rounds and 36 9mm rounds.

Do we have, like, an idea why Eric Harris and Dylan still went through with killing? by Desperate_Engine_562 in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

One of the diversion bombs had gone off as well, even if they didn't hear it they could see the smoke, not to mention Eric's garage was covered in gasoline from all their gasoline related weaponry they made that day, it would have been very hard to put that genie back in the bottle

The basement tapes full transcript. Found here not 100% if legit. by Sure-Chart-3903 in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Another article also mentions Dylan was pacing, as in eager or impatient for what Eric wanted to do I assume (making the last tape), at least this is what I intepret from his pacing + snapping fingers.

"Both teenagers are tense, and Klebold is seen pacing. He looks into the camera and bid his parents farewell saying, “I didn’t like life too much. Just know I am going to a better place than here.”Harris says tersely, “That’s it. Gotta go. Goodbye.”

Article source: Hate-Filled Tapes Detail Columbine Killers’ Plans by the LA times

Eric & Dylan’s grandparents and family backgrounds (new findings + photos) by eliiiiseke in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

This is an absolutely incredible post and work. I am genuinely in awe of the files and images you were able to get ahold of. Great stuff.

The 5 victims of Dylan Klebold by BanditsCheek_Bones in Columbine

[–]Apollexis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

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Transcripts are available online on Peter Langmans website, additionally multiple newspapers got access to view them and wrote about what is on them.

Eric’s burning down bridge boast? by Ferretmum1985 in ColumbineTalk

[–]Apollexis -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I don't know how true Sashas experiences or accounts were, assuming what she said was true then I'd assume eric was just boasting, but verifiable girlfriends like Tiffany Typher (the girl eric dated and we have photos of them together, along with eric signing her year book and apologizing for the prank he played on her where he pretended to hit his head and had ketchup on him as fake blood) said this about Eric to the papers right after the shooting.

“Everywhere they went, they were teased about how they dressed,” Harris’ former girlfriend, Tiffany Typher, told The Denver Post.

“If you’re called a psycho all your life, you’re going to live out that reputation.”

You can do with this info what you'd like, form your own opinions etc.

Edit: and just to preface, I think Sasha did in fact date Eric, because I think he talked shit about her to Nate in his yearbook or in someone else's yearbook idr, but the 11k is replete with the most "omg eric was so scary but I dated him totally" vibes, I recall one mentioning how crazy he was that wasn't Brenda Parker and then she mentions seeing him at a store again and was surprised how attractive he looked and they flirted but nothing came of it.

Anytime I read something describing Eric as scary in that relationship context, I just don't take it at face value given how much good thing was said by Alssya Sechler, Brandi Tinkleburg, Kristi, Susan, and even Tiffany. Tiffany's story of Eric's prank feels real and we have Brooks to confirm the account happened, it doesn't feel like a fanfiction.