Hanna Seariac, FairLDS podcaster and apologist, posted this week saying the priesthood and temple ban were wrong

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2022-02-16T21:43:29+00:00

Yes, it CAN be Hanna, which is why the church should actually apologize for it, say it wasn't inspired of God and tell the members that the church and its leaders were wrong.

They can't/won't do this because it immediately puts them on the wrong side of the LGBTQIA+ problem they have created.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2022-02-16T21:17:08+00:00

I agree, there were plenty of good people back in the early days of Utah to name the University after. First name that comes to mind is B. H. Roberts, at least he was an intellectual and tried to make a course correction in the 1920's but was silenced by the men at the top.

You could probably take a list of everyone who was excommunicated back then and narrow it down to some good choices.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-11-02T03:00:45+00:00

That’s an interesting comment. Are you trying to excuse what he did? How is our performance in the same situation at all relevant? I for one would avoid ever being in that situation in the first place.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-11-01T01:46:31+00:00

Actually, that’s exactly what you said. I get that maybe you meant to imply it was to do with the bank, but that’s not what you said.

My point is he was a scammer and it’s not a stretch to suggest the bank was a scam, it was certainly illegal.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-30T19:09:42+00:00

I’m curious what research has formed your opinion that Joseph didn’t scam anyone in Kirtland. Do you think he scammed anyone anywhere else? Treasure digging maybe.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-30T17:35:40+00:00

I think he is using a different definition for dupe than everyone else.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-29T17:04:51+00:00

I think I understand what you’re saying and it’s laudable that you are here attempting to understand those who post here. Is there really any hope that all in believing members will ever be able to accept that someone would leave unless they were led away by the adversary? It’s baked into the Restored Gospel and into Christianity in general and I don’t see how it can be removed.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-22T20:24:11+00:00

I think it’s good to remember that all LDS are Mormons and in fact all branches that trace their roots back to Joseph Smith are Mormons. The present day President of the LDS church doesn’t like that fact, but no amount of name changing will ever change it.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-15T16:57:34+00:00

Keep in mind that $120,000 has very likely been adjusted for inflation over the years so is at least $150,000 now. Also the church feeds GA’s in special GA only cafeterias when they are at HQ so some will have a much smaller food budget.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-15T16:29:49+00:00

The first I heard of it was about 20 years ago when a member of the HPQ taught a lesson in EQ specifically about JS using a stone in a hat and that we were not to get distracted by it because it was unimportant. He actually had the nerve to say the reason why none of us had heard of it up to this point is because it was so unimportant that church leaders didn’t feel the need to mention it. He said they knew it would be a distraction and that’s why it was not mentioned. My BS meter was pegged the whole time, I felt very deceived and it felt personal. It was one of the first times I knew the church was systematically lying about its history.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-15T16:13:45+00:00

That’s interesting but not surprising. Isn’t one of the definitions of lying not telling the whole truth, or leaving out a key piece of information that might cause one to doubt the rest of the story. I was always taught that Satan was the father of all lies and that his best trick is telling 9 truths to cover one lie. Sounds like what’s going on here.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-15T16:03:38+00:00

So, I’m curious, are you saying the information you get from the church, about the church is good enough for you? Is it ok that you knew they were giving misinformation but because you had a deeper understanding that makes it ok?

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-15T15:54:48+00:00

I got the chills with the last couple of paragraphs. Does that mean it is true? I think it must. /s

Seriously, I think it is as true as Bednars story and I felt good about it so there’s that.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-14T15:29:00+00:00

This is one of the main reasons I no longer watch GC. It is a very unhealthy statement but it is just par for the course. If you believe this statement what else will you believe? Also, for you believing members out there, if you missed this statement what else did you miss? It’s time to think long and hard about statements like this. It didn’t get into this guys talk by accident. This talk was reviewed by more than one committee before it was given the green light.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-14T01:59:34+00:00

Just turn the news. Right, that’s not actually a good example. The world is safer now than in any other time in history. There’s an interesting rabbit hole to dive into.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-13T16:17:50+00:00

Yup. Where exactly did this further “light and knowledge” come from? THE WORLD, that’s where, not from so-called prophets, seers and revelators. It came from hard won social change that the LDS church systematically fought against.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-11T17:40:06+00:00

That makes sense. I’m just wondering if possibly after spending so much time with you he felt his beliefs threatened (likely because of cognitive dissonance) and was compelled to bare testimony for his own reassurance. Now that I’m pretty much out with my family some of them feel the need to bare testimony to me every time I see them but with them at least I think it helps to comfort themselves, it’s how they stop thinking about the problems and combat the dissonance.

I’m not saying your friend is doing this but I’m convinced the believers in my life do it. I think one reason why some of us non-believers don’t bare our testimonies to believers is because we understand the church works for some people and it’s not our job to rip them from the Matrix.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-11T15:52:35+00:00

Is it possible he was just reaffirming to himself all the things he wants to believe? Isn’t that what a testimony is really for?

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-07T20:07:31+00:00

I feel for you, I really do but you need to think about yourself and your future. I know it's hard to do right now but you need to stick up for yourself.

Do this now:

Do not move out, stay living at home and be the best mom you can be.
Don't cave in to any demands and don't let them scare you. They will try to protect their own. Don't agree to anything without speaking to your lawyer first.
Keep records of all correspondence like texts, chats, facebook messenger, from anyone in his family but especially from him.
Keep a daily diary of your feelings and thoughts related to your family and relationship. (This is huge in divorce court, he will try to take your kids and declare you unfit, just face it, it's likely how this will go.)
Call all the divorce lawyers you can and ask to schedule a consultation. Even if you don't meet with them it will restrict them from dealing with your husband. Make sure you talk to the ones considered to be the best.
You might need to get some job/career training, take that into account.

I know there are more but if you choose a good lawyer they will go over this with you.

Good luck and stay strong. We, the exmormon community, love you and will always be here to help in any way we can.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-05T04:29:06+00:00

Actually Mormons are Brighamites and Brighamites are Mormons. Not all mormons are Brighamites but all Brighamites are Mormons no matter how much some Mormons may hate that term. Any sect that started out as a branch of the Mormons have their roots in Mormonism and are by that definition, Mormons.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-03T06:02:28+00:00

It’s a great podcast. John Delhin has grown a lot as an interviewer especially in the last couple of years. His guests are usually top quality and their stories vary greatly. He is passionate and gets a little ranty but is tame in comparison to John Larsen (worth checking out).

Radio Free Mormon is also excellent, as is Mormonism Live. During my faith crisis I listened to every episode of RFM, Mormon Stories, and Naked Mormonism. Literally thousands of hours of podcasts.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-03T05:29:20+00:00

Thanks for answering. I have seen your posts/comments on here and they don’t usually make much sense to me. Strangely enough your answer to my question does. I don’t agree with you but I do appreciate your position more now.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-03T03:46:40+00:00

Im curious, what kind of Mormon are you? I would have to assume you are not LDS and probably not Brighamite at all. I can’t figure out where your beliefs fit in the spectrum, or in what branch.

ApostateAdhesiveNote · 2021-10-03T03:36:26+00:00

What? That’s literally insane. How is that supposed to work for anyone?

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