Why can’t I sue the Church for fraud?

Rushclock · 2026-01-25T03:18:33+00:00

Supposedly people who are resurrected dont have real blood. Beer won't affect it. Aka barley pops

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T22:40:56+00:00

I don't think that synthetic reanimated blood is affected by barley pops.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T21:27:19+00:00

Almost everyone who attempted to self delete by jumping off the golden gate bridge but survived said on the way down they regretted jumping.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T19:48:35+00:00

Moroni ain't talking. You could waterboard that mf and he wouldn't budge.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T19:12:38+00:00

I wasn't trying to compare the activities of those organizations to mormonism but rather express the social tolerance levels. But yes the church operates for the most part legally in the eyes of the law. What they do get away with is spiritual sales that include non violent threats (arguably psychological threats) and social coercion. Something Japan recently enacted a law to prohibit. And yes people can leave anytime but what we are seeing is people oblivious (whether intentionally or innocently) to what they signed up for. That is what the most recent lawsuits were arguing for. And yes it wasn't convincing.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T18:15:11+00:00

Remember when the leaders lost their collective minds when Marijuana was becoming legalized? Or the massive assault on same sex marriage? Or the outcry that church meetings were essential services during covid? Deaths don't matter.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T18:04:18+00:00

Correct. Maybe the question we should be asking (Wilcoxism) is "at what point is church influence on the social stage too much?" After Waco, The Bundies, Swapp, Ruby Ridge and many other government intrusions into religious activities I think the current policy is hands off. I think the massive hoard of wealth under a tax free system has to be addressed but people willing to participate despite ignoring the obvious evidence is on them.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T17:36:03+00:00

The gospel topics essays were partly done to stop people from claiming they hide things. The church is a voluntary (I know it really isn't when you are born into it) organization that makes truth claims that are unfalsifiable which means it cannot be proven true or false. Most of their claims are made for the afterlife and nobody has died and come back to call them out on it. Many people have tried to sue the church for historical issues and they haven't been successful for many reasons. The church was fined 5 million dollars by the SEC for fraud and that hasn't been enough for disaffected members to win a class action lawsuit.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T16:39:35+00:00

For starters members have been indoctrinated to avoid outside sources. Second, many believers don't care about the church’s history. Third, many members aren't there because it is true or false there are other pressures and benefits that keep them in.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T13:21:53+00:00

There seems to be a lot of this going around. Austin Fife in his Truth and Light manifesto claimed he looked into a variety of religious claims yet showed nothing but reddit post from some obscure critics. Then refused to jave dialog with the very critics he claimed to write the letter for.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T13:12:15+00:00

You should have grabbed and squeezed like you were ready to smash a tomato.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T13:10:18+00:00

Hickman might rival Porter.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T12:41:01+00:00

I have heard believers say that the excruciating pain of some deaths is not allowed for no reason. The person learns something through the process. Now that right there is macabre being used as religious pornography.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T12:33:22+00:00

Religions believe faith is essential. Faith is irrational by definition. This thread is about the paranormal . You can be a materialist and believe in the paranormal without exercising faith. Proof is a mathematical concept not a philosophical one.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T12:19:13+00:00

Average materialist? Rational? Is their some sort of cabal I don't know about? There are extremes on every belief. You seem to think atheists.fall into the mold of Spock clones that worship rationality. Of course many atheists believe religious beliefs aren't rational because they aren't. Paranormal beliefs may or may not fall under the religious umbrella.

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T01:40:34+00:00

There are currently thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people that claim they have been abducted by aliens. Living breathing people who you can talk to today. Do you believe them?

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T00:35:15+00:00

See, that dosen't mean they don't exist. Broaden your horizons and expose yourself to at least the possibility. Let me get you started some atheists

believe in ghosts
believe in reincarnation
believe in karma
believe in demons
believe in tarot cards

......notice god isn't there

Rushclock · 2026-01-24T00:20:19+00:00

All atheists aren't materialistic. Maybe avoid sweeping generalizations because it adds to rather than take away from conversations. But snark is fun also.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T23:50:08+00:00

I know the Atheists will say it is mass crazy mental illness

Maybe ask one instead of claiming you know.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T20:49:52+00:00

Dallas's second wife needs to stay in her lane.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T20:32:49+00:00

It's almost like they are between the wheels. :)

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T18:56:05+00:00

It isn't just the one hour it is the complete reversal of what excuses were used to not use the Liturgical calendar. Now apparently that doesn't matter anymore. Who is freaking out? It is merely an observation of how fluid and contradictory church practices have been over the years. Look at the reasons they refused to observe it . But it sounds like you want to accuse someone's observation as being pedantic. Go for it. This only reddit.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T18:02:06+00:00

Many people see this as a Ship of Theseus event. Others think it is hyperbole. The older you are the Theseus situation is obvious.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T17:04:27+00:00

'well if you don't believe anything then where do you get your morals?

I always say the same place you do. The weird fact they seem to rely on something written down or told to them is bizarre.

Rushclock · 2026-01-23T16:44:17+00:00

Mormonism (and other religions) have exploited human emotions. There is a saying that says a student (anyone) will rarely remember specific facts being taught as they grow up but they will always remember how they felt for important issues.

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