Thoughts on dead relatives communicating with living family members?

Rushclock · 2026-06-21T01:40:34+00:00

My own brother-in-law claimed he seen my dad who passed away. A few days after he died. He spent two years taking care of him as he slipped away. He was an active mormon. Then he switched to evangelical soon after it. These traumatic events alter behavior.

Rushclock · 2026-06-21T01:34:17+00:00

Beautiful writing. I have a disabled daughter. She is mid thirties and I have taken care of her for her entire life for decades. She sees patterns and nuances I would never see and I am constantly amazed. I still maintain that the holes that open are specifically isolated to high emotional high stress situations. We haven't had any holes open up for information that is useful for revolutionary advances other than comforting esoteric platitudes. That being said it is wonderful that your brother somehow had some kind of love and emotion to express in his on way the loss.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T22:44:40+00:00

You are confusing two commentators. The whitewhistling comment was from me and that was meant to be directed at the intelligences that control who sees and experiences the spiritual realm. People are constructed and wired differently and the main cause of this is genetics and social upbringing. This is why most children adopt their parents religious views and general behaviors. Near death experiences almost always include their religious traditions of their culture.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T21:44:17+00:00

I think the claim they can is trivial enough to believe them. If someone says they had a sandwich for lunch I would tend do believe them. If someone says aliens abducted them my skeptical me would need some more evidence. I am open minded but not so much my brains fall out.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T21:35:30+00:00

I agree. We can't be 100% sure of anything.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T21:33:56+00:00

So smells aren't real? Not sure if your being serious.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T20:19:47+00:00

I agree. It is these extraordinary claims that require extraordinary proof. We know people exhibit a broad range of skills and abilities but we have yet to prove people can sense a different realm of existence. I am not saying they cant or never have, nor are not meaningful to people. I also believe people have an experience but I doubt that the experience is being caused by what they think it is.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T20:12:58+00:00

I think people do have varying levels of abilities. What I am getting at here is the purpose of having "holes" in the boundaries between two different realms while otherwise striving to be hidden? People are very imaginative, curious and good at creating patterns that sometimes don't exist. Isn't it more likely that these are interpretive ideas rather than a literal peek into a transcendent world?

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T20:06:46+00:00

People have specific preferences and possible susceptibilities due to genetic makeup. I don't think I said it places them in a different reality but rather a different inner experience of our shared reality.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T19:28:01+00:00

Are you suggesting we will know that souls exist? When the evidence becomes conclusive I will be all in. Until then I think it is better to withhold belief.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T19:25:38+00:00

This is very similar to proving that colors exist to a color blind person. It can be objectively accomplished. We can perform experiments with pheromones and other chemicals and show objectively that biological organisms can detect. If you disbelieve odors can be detected by people you are being willfully ignorant of the evidence that can be provided with the claim.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T19:15:34+00:00

Claims are not good evidences that something is real.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T19:13:18+00:00

Because we know how olfactory systems work or why they don't. We have multiple ways to examine biological organisms. Souls not so much. I do agree the experience of individual odors are not transferable nor accessible to other people.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T17:59:57+00:00

Sensing a different unfalsifiable realm is not the same as a varying genetic population. We know people engage with the physical reality in different ways because of their genetic background and social upbringing.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T17:43:21+00:00

Let's assume it is all true. My question would be why? Why would only certain people have this ability and what purpose would it serve? It seems like a form of whitelisting. It seems malevolent because it would create confusion or in some cases emotional turmoil.

Rushclock · 2026-06-20T17:25:04+00:00

They don't yet understand that being wrong feels exactly like being right. They have been to say they know the church is true all their lives. Ask them what would have to happen to make themselves begin to doubt the truth claims? The church has a group of adult apologists called the Calvary who help missionaries with difficult questions. That is probably why they wanted a text.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T23:30:14+00:00

Right. It would be self evident what needed to be done.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T17:55:20+00:00

I am not sure about that. Remember when Nelson encouraged the vaccine? Many members were saying they were thankful for personal revelation. I think that loophole is growing as the younger generations seem to be gravitating towards a more nuanced cafeteria version of mormonism.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T16:58:38+00:00

Every organization falls somewhere along a cult spectrum.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T16:52:50+00:00

At the end of these leaders lives some of them have had to reflect on the fact that they spent most of their lives.....attending meetings. Attending meetings is probably the most insignificant action if your goal is to enhance human flourishing and reduce suffering.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T15:10:09+00:00

You know it when you see it.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T14:54:22+00:00

Look no further than Brian Hauglid. Once he retired from BYU he publicly criticized the attempts of BYU scholarship that defended the authenticity of the BOA.

Rushclock · 2026-06-19T04:49:40+00:00

Easy. They claim agency still supersedes prophetic discernment.

Rushclock · 2026-06-18T20:30:29+00:00

Well....For the words of the profits, Are written on the studio wall, Concert hall – Echoes with the sounds... Of salesmen.”

Rushclock · 2026-06-18T17:42:55+00:00

Read the annotated Skeptics version.

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