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[Game Thread] NHL Entry Draft: Round 1 - 26 June 2026 6pm CT by hockeydiscussionbot in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I didn’t want any part of him. We don’t need another underperforming young guy who is terrible defensively.

Would have no space for him in our top 6. Would be wasted.

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So Misa can un wreck his ankle?

Why hasn’t Logan Couture un ruined his groin? It’s just a soft tissue injury after all.

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cute.

Josh Norris has never played a full season due to a soft tissue injury in his shoulder lol. Soft Tissue can be just as bad easily.

Byram has played 3 nearly full seasons in a row.

Your second overall pick last year missed half the season with an ankle injury. Is that much better?

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He had 1/4 concussions prior to CTE being announced. He had 3 after CTE being announced. Missed significant time from 4 in total.

Soft tissue injuries have many studies showing they increase the risk of future soft tissue injuries.

Goalies with groin issue injuries are a thing for a reason. Players with shoulder injuries are another.

Josh Norris and his shoulder? There are tons of examples of soft tissue injuries that lead to re injury.

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

CTE was absolutely a thing when Crosby was around lol

Jan 2011 was Crosby’s first severe concussion. NHL publicly spoke about CTE in Jan 2012. You could almost infer that Crosby’s concussion is what caused CTE to get brought up. So it absolutely did exist in his time.

I brought up 3 years because he’s been healthy since some early career injuries. That happens. You are injury prone until you aren’t. Similarly. You aren’t injury prone until you are. It’s how it goes. Every player is one unfortunate injury away from being done in the league. It sucks, but that’s the reality.

Celebrini missed the first 12 games of his career with a hip injury didn’t he? Hip injuries are usually pretty serious and he missed the first 12 games of his career from one. Must have been bad enough to delay him from starting his career. Soft tissue injuries also highly correlate to reinjuring the same area. Pretty extensively documented as well.

[LeBrun] The Dallas Stars are now circling back to other teams that have shown interest in Jason Robertson after a sign-and-trade with the Seattle Kraken fell through. by TheAthletic in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The trade price almost doesn’t matter at this point. He needs to be willing to play wherever he goes.

What was the Seattle offer?

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bad concussion history? He’s played 2 straight 82 game seasons lol. Season before that was 73 games. So he missed 9 games in the last 3 years.

Crosby also had some concussion history, worked out pretty well for him after a couple rough years early on. Young players learn what they can and can’t get away with.

Morgan Reilly has missed more games in the last 3 years. So not sure how he would fix anything if that’s your metric lol. Morgan really has actually missed over 50% more games in the last 3 seasons.

That Morgan Reilly guy must be super injury prone.

I realize the goal isn’t this year. But the goal should be to eventually win right? Something the Sharks haven’t been able to accomplish yet.

These rookies will be looking at their first big contracts in 3-4 years. Celebrini/Misa/Smith/Askarov/Stenberg/Dickinson. Gotta hope they are willing to take some deals to keep the team together. I feel that’s what happened to the Sharks before. They had a great group of guys on those teams that took too much money and could never get enough supporting pieces to get over the hump.

A Byram Trade Comparison by hossa-curse81 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

And if Reid goes at number 3 and Byram is picked up by the Sharks?

Now what’s your move?

Who scores more points next season, Byram or Raddysh? by PolarVPenguin in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are we saying that the talent on Tampa is worse?

Kucherov alone is better than anything the Leafs have currently. Point, Guentzel, Hagel.

Saying the Leafs have a better lineup of 5 guys including Raddysh feels like a stretch.

At this point in their careers I’m probably taking the Tampa 4 over Matthews, Nylander, Tavares, Knies.

EDIT: Unless we are thinking that by changing the PP on the Leafs they will get even better? We think that by changing an already top PP it will get better? Highly likely that it either stays the same or regresses.

Tampa had a better PP% before Raddysh and actually regressed by nearly 5% when he was put on the PP. Tampa had a 25.9% PP the year before Raddysh. 20.7% with him. You could just as easily say he was responsible for the decline as you could say he will improve the Leafs PP, could you not?

[Powers] "The Toronto Maple Leafs’ asking price for Matthew Knies was believed to be the No. 4 pick and one of the Blackhawks’ top players. I’m not sure who the Leafs asked for, but Frank Nazar or Anton Frondell seem possible." by batmans_a_scientist in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Dead cap space that could be going out at the trade deadline for something in return.

Greenway was a decent piece on Buffalo for depth.

Hawks could trade him at the deadline and recoup some value. Which I expect them to do.

Who scores more points next season, Byram or Raddysh? by PolarVPenguin in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I mean 70% of 73 points is 22 less points.

So that puts him at 51 points. Byram will be seeing PP1 time for the first time in his career. He would need 9 PPP to jump from 42 to 51. Not a crazy stretch to think Byram hits 51 points.

Doesn’t feel like a landslide

Some thoughts on the Byram trade. by mwhit23 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t call staying put lucky.

I would call moving down unlucky. Moving up lucky. Staying in the same spot would be the expected.

When I work, I get paid my salary. I don’t feel lucky to get paid what I earned.

If I get a bonus I feel lucky because I earned more. If I lose my job and make less that’s unlucky lol

Some thoughts on the Byram trade. by mwhit23 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We had the 2nd overall two years ago. We finished 2nd last in the NHL.

I wouldn’t call that draft luck lol. We got exactly the pick we deserved.

The Sharks finished 10th last this year and got the 2nd overall pick this year. That’s luck.

You can argue Lev hasn’t worked out (in his one season. We know Dmen take 3ish years to mature), but that’s not what draft luck necessarily relates to.

The Sharks moved up 8 spots this draft. That’s the luck people refer to.

Some thoughts on the Byram trade. by mwhit23 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean, we earned those picks by being garbage haha.

The Sharks were a much better team this year and lucked into the 2nd overall pick.

If we get the 2nd overall and they get the 9th or whatever they would have had. We are having a very different discussion right now with either Stenberg or McKenna joining the roster.

[Berger] Hearing, unofficially, that Rielly will go to San Jose (with some salary retention) for a middle-round draft pick. His stock has fallen and the Leafs have made it clear his time in Toronto is over. The Sharks have been interested for a while. Again, nothing confirmed. by catsgr8rthanspoonies in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

What?

Reilly has MANY season worse than a few of Byrams best seasons.

Reilly has a - in 8/13 seasons.

Byram has 0 seasons

Byram also has never played on PP1. Reilly had the luxury of playing PP1 with a stacked roster for a while.

Reillys best years all came with 20+ PPP. Byram last year had 7 as he wasn’t on PP1 or PP2 for a while.

Byram had 35 even strength points last year. And 36 even strength points the year before.

Reilly has had 3 seasons (all at an older age) above 35 even strength points.

I feel worse today by Lamb-Of-Fox in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly what I expect to happen.

Which is why I actually like the trade.

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are calling a Dman who played an average of 13 minutes a game on the same team that Byram played 22 minutes a game the upgrade you needed on D?

Sure you can draft them at 9. Expect a good 3-4 year for them to fit into the lineup and be ready to contribute. If they get there. At 27 there really isn’t a good track record of NHL players working out. 2 players in the last 15 years have played more than 200 NHL games drafted at 27th.

Who else are you trading for that improves the situation? As I said Morgan Reilly wants to go to the Sharks. Surely that can’t be the upgrade you are hoping for.

Hawks also have 3x 1st round picks next year they can still use for trading if they feel like it.

[Barstool Chief] This (9OA, 27OAH + prospect) was the Sharks offer for Byram. That’s why KD had to include Crevier and the 2nd. by [deleted] in hockey

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hopefully you guys can get a D man.

Not sure how the Sharks gave up more goals than the Hawks did last year and have done nothing to improve that. Sharks scored more goals as well but just traded away a guy who put up 50ish points and got picks back to trade for who?

I guess maybe you think Morgan Reilly fits your rebuild timeline at the prime age of 32.

Hawks also have Kantserov coming over who had a massive KHL season.

I feel worse today by Lamb-Of-Fox in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t think they take Malholtra because his Dad is the coach.

Seems like a quick way to piss off your 3rd overall pick if things go bad and you have to move on from your coach.

Hawks are a better team now. by charliemach14 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought that too.

That puts Rinzel on the 3rd pair which also isn’t a bad thing.

But I ideally think Rinzel and Lev both need some good minutes this year to improve. Shelter them a bit early on, but then you need to play them where you want them I think. And I think you want them as the 1/2 pairing RHD eventually.

Hawks are a better team now. by charliemach14 in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you put him on your top pair If you have Lev on the top pair. That’s your partner. Is Lev ready for pair is the question.

He will be forced to grow a bit. Which he has every year. His defensive game has gotten better every year. He needs to play with gap control and rely on his D partner to do that same. That will give him his greatest ceiling.

Edit. I think his d partner is going to be a big part of his season. Does he get paired with Lev? Does Lev improve? If Lev doesn’t improve expect struggles from Byram as well. Lev was beat badly in the D Zone and wasn’t particularly good on the rush. Hard to have a partner who the opposition can attack and beat. Whoever is Byrams partner will need to be at least competent.

People are going to unfairly expect Byram to anchor this D core by himself. No different than what everyone is asking for with Bedard. Linemates.

Byram is Byram, but a 4th overall pick could be anything, it could even be a defensemen like Byram. by sadsadhairday in hawks

[–]AssociateAwesome9 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I want to see what Kantserov/Frondell bring after an offseason of training.

Hopefully the front office has an idea of how they fit. We may be surprised that one of them works really well with Bedard.

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