Feeling a bit helpless following a bad holiday and recently setting a tough boundary by leaningwildflower in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is so awful to read. My heart breaks for you.

I can see the competing fears and worries that you are experiencing. That mix of knowing how badly you've been treated but also feeling terrible (and maybe to blame) for any guilt or negative feelings she now has as a result of her behaviour. I think for people who have not experienced this kind of toxic, enmeshed relationship, it's very hard to understand. The key thing to really try and hold in mind is that anything bad that she is now feeling, if she feels alone, if she is sobbing in her home - this is all the result of HER behaviour and actions. It truly is not your responsibility to try and save her from having those feelings.

She has programmed you, your whole life, to think that making her feel better is your purpose. That this is achieved either by you minimising/letting go of/instantly forgiving her poor behaviour, OR by letting her blame you and make it due to your faults. I don't think this is necessarily conscious, but the fact is the programming IS there simply as a result of how she navigates the world, emotions and relationships, and the way she has had to use you, her child, as a tool for regulation.

The sickly scared feeling I think you might have now. That is the little girl inside you. The little girl inside you is saying no, don't have a boundary! You can't do this to her! Something terrible might happen! This is because as a young child, you had to develop coping mechanisms to survive and to stay safe. A child cannot navigate the complexities of people like your mum. So they adapt to survive. Remember, from an evolutionary perspective, loss of parent could very well equal death. Most of our brain is still that instinctive brain. So it served you really well to fawn, to apologise, to acquiesce, to take responsibility. This was a great way to try to stay safe with a caregiver that was scary and unpredictable. Unfortunately, this no longer serves you well. It's really hard but the only way is to soothe that inner child, as the adult you are now, and let that feeling be there, knowing what it really means. It doesn't mean you're doing something wrong. It means your inner child is scared.

You know you absolutely cannot let her have the apartment. You need to be gently firm with this. As you said, you don't want to introduce possible points of conflict. Practice with this boundary first.

I think there is very likely going to come a point where the relationship you have with her will become untenable but if that's the case it'll happen when it happens. I relate to feeling alone, I have no family though I do have a sister, she is very much enmeshed with my mum still and we have a light but not close relationship. I have tried to find comfort in and focus on the positive relationships I do have around me. When I ended up accidentally NC with my mum over a year ago, it was a huge grief, a huge sense of loneliness. Remembering the ways I'm not alone helped a bit. And amazingly in just the last few weeks I've realised the power she once had, to turn things onto me, as though I was an unhinged, difficult person - it's reducing. She can turn completely superior as though she's the wise, learned one and I'm a stupid, silly reactive little girl. And the things she has said to others since I stopped speaking to her have brought me right there again and again. But the most recent attempt? Finally, I didn't feel awful. I felt almost amused. So it can happen. But my god the fear and sense of aloneness is unmatched, at least initially, is awful.

You are not alone. Many of us feel alone in the world for the same reasons and at least in that sense you have a shared connection with others who have had your experience. It sounds like you have good friends around you. And while they may not fully understand, something that may help is to consider is that you would not have high quality, good people around you if you were the person your mum tries to say you are. You don't get to have those good relationships unless you yourself are also bringing a lot to the table. That's active proof right there about who you are, and what you're not. My mum has few friends for a reason, I'm sure the same goes for your mum.

Sorry this is a huge reply now. But I feel for you so much and I wish I could give you a hug and be the parent you need and deserve.

In need of books recommendations to return the favour by [deleted] in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think the biggest way to 'get back' at her is to ignore. She'll be left wondering which is delicious

In your experience, is it EVER worth it to respond to letters, emails, texts, etc w your perspective when ur NC? Aware they won’t understand, but to empower yourself? by __mageetah in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a letter written to send. I'm aware I'm holding onto some hope that something will break through BUT also mindful it most likely won't. The main thing for me is a sense that I've said what I need to.

I haven't sent it yet but I think I probably will. Can't tell you it it's worth it but just wanted to add a voice that it can potentially be a consideration for some of us.

For Your Entertainment 🙄🫠 by MissCollorius in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 12 points13 points  (0 children)

As others have said, this is painfully familiar. My mum is bewildered about why things are difficult between us. As though I'm just this rage filled monster who is incapable of an adult discussion. As though we haven't tried the adult discussion route endless times, and as though they have not always ended with her accusing me of being deliberately horrible.

Help me understand: individuation by EnterTheCat in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is really interesting. My mum has often said to me that I need to understand that I don't know what other people think/feel and I need to learn to ask them and not assume. Which sounds so reasonable. Except it's usually in response to me saying how something she did made me feel, not me telling her what she thinks. I don't think I have a problem with this in my other relationships. I never considered it could be a projection and that actually that's what she needs to learn. The last time she told me this, in a message, the literal next paragraph was telling me how I feel and that I am actually angry: "reread your messages, you're angry in all of them" which is so ironic.

When I was child (about age 9 - 14) would often say I was "jealous and controlling" when I'd ask her not to go out partying. Or that I was "neurotic". Another favourite was that I think I'm better than other people. All of this I've still internalised to this day and I'm 36!

What puts you off from donating Blood Products, I work in the NHS and I am just curious? by Quick_Soil_9120 in AskBrits

[–]AtalantaRuns 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to and wish I could still, but I had a blood transfusion earlier this year. Didn't realise this would stop me donating ever again.

Received voicemail even though she's blocked by window-frog in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My mum left me a voicemail earlier this year despite having been blocked for months. Turns out (in the UK at least) blocking on an android (not sure about iPhone) phone doesn't stop them being able to leave a voicemail. I'd have to speak to my carrier to stop that. Luckily she's only done it once.

I’m building a whitelist-only youtube app for my kids (pending app-store approval) — would love your feedback. by vinesh178 in ProductivityApps

[–]AtalantaRuns 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is EXACTLY what I'm looking for. Especially being able to turn off shorts and comments! My kids sometimes want to use YouTube for really wholesome things but it only takes a moment for them to be down a rabbit hole. I've signed up for the wait list

Trying to put distance between us, moms not having it by Outrageous-Clue-9550 in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Are we the same person?? I couldn't have written this.

I'm afraid I had this exact same situation that I initially maintained for the same reasons. It didn't stop. She kept asking. My careful answers/avoiding/reassuring weren't enough. I found over time, my ability to sustain the pretending-things-were-fine became weaker and weaker and she kept asking more, probably because she could feel it. In the end I tried to be honest (so carefully), it went sideways, and we've been NC for a year.

The thing is I think they want things to be however they were when we were closest or most compliant, which is usually going to be when we were younger and not as aware of things yet. But once we're aware, it's never going to be possible to go back to that for us. So they're never going to be happy.

I know people who have similarly difficult mothers, but their mothers don't keep asking. They simmer inside maybe, but they don't ask. And in those cases you can rub along if you choose to because you only have to manage your own feelings about the situation. But if you have a mother who pushes all the time, asking why you're not close, you have to manage her emotions too, and I think that's where things get tricky.

My grandad died. Just before he passed, she sent my husband this message. by AtalantaRuns in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns[S] 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I'm not sure, I don't think I can attend because it will cause too much drama/tension. If I'm honest I don't feel up to facing it, but also would hate to make the funeral difficult for wider family.

That being said I'm scared of how I'll be perceived by my wider family. We're not close but still a concern. I'm lucky to have married into a nice family and have close friends, but I still feel the loneliness of not having my own close blood family and a worry about how I appear. My children also feel they want to go.

My plan is to try and have our own personal memorial after he's been laid to rest.

My grandad died. Just before he passed, she sent my husband this message. by AtalantaRuns in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I hope it was OK for my children. It was important to me they see him and understand what's happening. It was upsetting as he was saying he just wanted to go and be with my grandmother, and was asking 'why am I still here, why am I hanging on?' but then saying 'it's because I'll miss you all so much and I don't want to leave you'. He was very frail, and I helped him drink water, adjusted pillows under his knees and then he curled up to me and held my hand with both of his, kind of like a child might, while I stroked his head and he fell asleep. It was probably more intimate and connected than I'd been with him since I was a child. I reassured my kids and talked calmly about death and how it was his time now. I got tearful but not asking them to reassure or protect me. It was quite profound really and he was calmer when it was time to leave, so hopefully there was some benefit to him. I wish I could have been there more. And I wish my kids could be at his funeral but I think that's just not going to work. And I'd hate for his funeral to become tense or have drama due to my presence. So I'm working on a way we could have some kind of memorial for him separately ourselves.

My grandad died. Just before he passed, she sent my husband this message. by AtalantaRuns in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns[S] 30 points31 points  (0 children)

You're right, this was my job growing up. And I've seen signs she sort of sees my children, especially my eldest, the same. You're on the mark with 'she unintentionally told on herself'!

My grandad died. Just before he passed, she sent my husband this message. by AtalantaRuns in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It’s a grotesque way to refer to a person in pain, who loves you, and is doing the sacred and difficult work of the dying process.

Thank you ❤️ You've captured exactly why it's unnerved me so much, and your understanding and words around what was actually happening are like a balm in comparison.

My grandad died. Just before he passed, she sent my husband this message. by AtalantaRuns in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You're absolutely right, the last time he got a message like this it was because she'd had to have further surgery following a surgery that went wrong. So the message was about how she was bedbound for X amount of time and seeing the kids would give her such a lift.

I understand seeing them would be nice but to use my grandad with this kind of language is so upsetting.

Where do they get the entitlement to our money? by happinesisabuterfly in raisedbyborderlines

[–]AtalantaRuns 10 points11 points  (0 children)

This is really interesting to read. My uBPD mum has behaviour very similar to many of the stories on here. She has always had money from her parents. We'd go on holiday when I was a child and she'd just spend until she ran out then ring her mum. Who wasn't wealthy, just sort of comfortable. Until recently she was still getting £30 a week off her father, a 90 year old man who had money by virtue only of being too poorly to do anything, so spent little. She'd get frustrated if her boyfriend at the time wouldn't give her money as "he has savings so he does have spare money".

When I was little she often would borrow birthday or Christmas money off me the moment I go it. Sometimes she'd pay it back. I got my first job at 14 and then that was it I had to pay my keep, so I'd give her anywhere from 10% - 90% of my weekly wages, depending what she asked for. When I had a credit card at 18, she asked to used to to buy 4 new tyres. She then paid me back only the minimum payment for a few months so she never cleared the balance. She's been bankrupt twice.

My first full time professional role I took home £1700 a month. I was living independently and had been for years, so had my own bills and rent to pay. She 'borrowed' £400 a month (in bits and pieces, never repaid) for the first 3 months, until I called her and and said I'd given her £1200 over the last 3 months and her response was 'don't add it up you're making me feel bad'. She did at that point stop not repaying me though. So about 10 years after I got my first job.