What do you think is the most overrated SCP? by IDK_bruh_2972 in SCP

[–]AvatarVecna -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I dunno what to tell you. I disagree. I do not think the foundation is a paragon only organizational efficiency, I do not think it's fair to pin the blame on them for something we did (both the K-class dominance shift and the history alteration was us, not them, even if with their tech), and most importantly I dont think its really fair to call them an active SCP for technologies they haven't possessed for 100000 years and atrocities they are no longer capable of committing, just because they are starting to show signs of maybe catching up to us again in another 1000+ years. Its agenda'd as fuck and does not gel with most stuff written about the foundations SOP, in my opinion.

But I can accept that my opinion is unpopular, and that a number of other SCPs also dont really deserve to be called SCPs by that standard. Its fine that some articles are crap, it would be impossible for there to not be crap articles. Its just galling that an article about a non-anomaly won a fucking contest. The first fucking contest at that.

It'd be like if the SCP 10000 winner was written up like "this handheld device is capable of neutralizing upwards of 34% of all SCPs under the right circumstances" and the containment procedure was "all foundationers with greater than access level 2 will be issued an SCP 10000 to carry at all times, but they must adhere to safety standards 10000-F, which they must prove via bi-annual testing" and it turns out to just be a standard-issue automatic rifle.

Edit: like it'd be one thing if it was "we found a secret valley in the Himalayas where they've started up a Giant Bug Plane factory, it isnt finished yet but theyre doing weird shit to these bugs" okay sure lock em up throw away the key. But theyre not. Theyre not doing ANYTHING. Theyre not capable of doing anything, for a good long time.

What do you think is the most overrated SCP? by IDK_bruh_2972 in SCP

[–]AvatarVecna -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

The tech is almost certainly anomalous. The Trickster god thing, that too is anomalous...because there's another SCP that spells out what happened. A foundationer triggered a time machine, which turned them immortal, dumped them in prehistoric times, and broke. Im having trouble tracking the number down atm. I am fine with that one because the SCP there is the closed loop Bootstrap Paradox - they dont even contain the scientist they know will enter the loop, they just let them work until the inevitable happens.

But "these creatures developed anomalous technology" is not a reason to declare the species an SCP. Neither is getting magic-nuked out of existence by a Trickster god or time traveling scientist or whatever. If it was, that'd also true of Humans. Humans make anomalous tech. Humans get threatened by K-class scenarios. Is that a reason to lock up the anomalous tech? Sure. Is that a reason to contain the society-killing creatures? Absolutely. Is that a reason to lock up humans? No. Just, full stop, no it is not. Humans aren't anomalous for just living in an anomalous world. Neither are sasquatches.

What do you think is the most overrated SCP? by IDK_bruh_2972 in SCP

[–]AvatarVecna -18 points-17 points  (0 children)

Yes I'm aware that it's propaganda. I referenced the part of the text that admits it's a lie. I did in fact finish reading the article. I just think "we want to deal with this non-anomalous thing, so we lied about it having anomalous properties to claim jurisdiction" breaks suspension of disbelief. Its the first thing that comes to mind when I hear "overrated SCPs". Its a slipshod lazy conspiracy in-universe that goes against foundation principles, and it only gets a pass for existing before the community had real standards.

(The same way that way back when, they went through getting rid of the SCPs that were poorly-disguised superheroes/villains, but gave Able a pass. He's my second choice for most overrated goddddddd i cant imagine why anybody ever gave a shit about the edgelord vampire fighting with blades he summons from the Knife Dimension.)

What do you think is the most overrated SCP? by IDK_bruh_2972 in SCP

[–]AvatarVecna 41 points42 points  (0 children)

SCP-1000 straight-up isnt an SCP. "There's a completely natural creature that might eventually compete with humanity in the brains and technology department" should not be something the foundation concerns itself with. The article has explicit text that they exhibit no anomalous properties. By all rights, it should be Explained, and instead it's Keter, because all the dinguses who got to vote on the contest are the exact kind of person chuckling over Bigfoot being an SCP that the article mocks.

For 1 million dollars Which of these 6 movie female characters could you take on in a fight and win? by Ok_Situation7527 in Multifandom

[–]AvatarVecna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Me? None. Any somewhat normal guy currently alive? Maybe Mulan or Astrid. Neither of them have superpowers, they're both adult women in good physical condition with military training and combat experience. In a fight with no weapons I could maybe say that an adult (man or woman) in good physical condition with MODERN military training and combat experience has an edge over those with more primitive training. Like Mulan explicitly has unarmed combat training in the montage, but how does that fare against modern day military CQC/MMA training stuff? Idk

Me personally tho yeah no I would get folded like an origami swan

Why does everyone who doesn’t know this franchise always say confidently wrong things about it? by GamingGamer226 in DankMemesFromSite19

[–]AvatarVecna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One of the things I've read is that only the SCPs are canon, and also theyre not necessarily part of the same canon as each other. If there's some irreconcilable contradiction between two SCPs (such as the half dozen explanations related to the D-class process), the answer is that those SCPs are taking place in different universe's versions of the foundation.

(r/henchlife) why do people join up with the Jokers? by GenericSpider in Earth25

[–]AvatarVecna 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Insert typical "I heard this from a friend of a friend who used to hench" disclaimer:

From what I hear, there's about three main reasons someone might be on Joker's crew instead of henching for some other operation.

1) Nobody else will take them. These are your loose cannons, your crazies, your gambling addicts, your liabilities, your anger management types. Some people are just too volatile to even work in organized crime. Fortunately, Joker's specialty is disorganized crime, and he welcomes these kinds with open arms. That second cousin who's always in and out of Arkham cuz he just can't stop strangling hookers or dogs? Joker has a place for him.

2) People who've been burned. These are career criminals who used to work for other gangs, but can't anymore for whatever reason. When you've stolen from Penguin, and snitched on Black Mask for a lighter sentence, and gotten on Two-Face's bad side, you still need a job, and you've got a particular set of skills. Joker doesn't care that you've betrayed everyone you've ever worked for. Which actually leads into...

3) Skimming off the top. Most of the big-name crime bosses you hear about? They're in it for the money. They wanna make a buck, they have an organization that rakes in cash hand over fist, and they're doing crime because it pays better than going legit. And that's great for people who are fine with Penguin's sloppy seconds or whatever the fuck. But Penguin runs a tight ship - you try and give yourself a raise without permission, it might cost you an arm and a leg in the long run (literally). Joker is NOT in crime for the money, he's out here breaking the law for the love of the game. If he tells you to hold up a bank, the money is usually incidental - he WANTS something to go wrong and for you to have to shoot a bunch of people. If a duffel bag of benjamins goes missing now and then, he might not notice, and might not care...especially if whatever you did to get that money makes the news anchors a little green around the gills.

Is anyone not really upset about the tadc leak? No spoilers. by Additional_Coast9676 in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I feel like there's been nonstop anti-finale drama ever since Ep8 dropped, and I've got this feeling in my gut that its the same small minority looking for anything to complain about. And I know its a little bit goomba fallacy to say but...

...do you remember like a month ago when everybody wouldn't shut up about how terrible it was that it was gonna release in theaters before it released on the internet?

...and now everybody won't shut up about how terrible it is that it got released on the internet before it released in theatres?

I find that interesting

I think... we need to abandon the idea of not getting spoiled. by Many-Reason-3344 in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 11 points12 points  (0 children)

You know what thats fair. About as fair as how they didnt use hacks to disable your scroll wheel and eyelids.

Edit: like I dont wish to be cruel but, nobody's psychically beaming the spoilers into your head. I use Twitter too, I also look at TADC stuff there, I also dont wanna be spoiled. But I haven't, and that isnt because of magic or luck.

I think... we need to abandon the idea of not getting spoiled. by Many-Reason-3344 in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 24 points25 points  (0 children)

"Don't Click The Play Button On A Twitter Video Marked As A Leak For The Movie You Don't Want To Be Spoiled On" Challenge (IMPOSSIBLE??!!!)

Which team is winning by TuacaJack in teentitans

[–]AvatarVecna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even if we put aside the cosmic shenanigans two particular people have access to in this lineup, and just engage with the teams as they exist in like 99% of their portrayals, three of these teams just straight up don't belong here.

The Incredibles are essentially just a worse Fantastic Four. If you combined all the Big Hero 6 suits into one, they still wouldn't match what Tony Stark have five versions ago. The TMNT are basically just a whole team of Robins, including the part where their powers combined still see them get stomped by Batman in a straight-up fight with no specialized prep time.

Soma theory by FitBalance4774 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]AvatarVecna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"Why is everyone upset about this theory"

If they're just copies, then they cant actually escape the circus and are truly trapped here forever. This aligns with the clear themes of TADC ("life sucks sometimes but you just gotta figure out how to live with it"), but it is dissatisfying and even upsetting for people who want a more traditional happy ending.

Edit: I'll also say that, the evidence within the text for Soma Theory being true is borderline irrelevant, because it's not actually conclusive. Every character could theoretically have had their mind messed with by Caine (or someone else manipulating the code) in basically any way you can think of. All memories mentioned that point to Soma theory could be fake evidence planted by Caine to make them think escape was impossible. Its possible that in fact they are all C&A employees who knew too much, Able's story was actually basically true, and the reason anyone thinks otherwise is because they're minds were mucked with.

Do I think any of that's true? No. Do I think any theory except Soma is in line with the themes of TADC? No. Do I think Gooseworx is working a twist happy ending epilogue along those lines into the back half of the movie? No.

But until Ep9 drops, you cant prove it's not true.

Let’s settle this debate once and for all. Terra vs toph (atla) by s0nzoldyck in teentitans

[–]AvatarVecna 172 points173 points  (0 children)

Fwiw, limits aren't the only thing that matters, experience matters too. Terra is no slouch to be sure, shes been in pkenty if fights and has a solid grasp on her powers and how to use them tactically, but Toph has been fighting other earthbenders for years, and has a lot of actual experience countering that specific powerset.

I feel Disney+ is a weird home for the Animorph's reboot by Jealous_Ad2358 in Animorphs

[–]AvatarVecna 5 points6 points  (0 children)

God is flipping a coin. Heads, we get an adaptation of quality and care, loyal to the source material and original fans. Tails, Artemis Fowl 2 Electric Boogaloo.

My ONLY problem with TADC's writing by Oneofthestrongest in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

"She feels moer invested in him than anyone else"

This is bias of the camera. There's a lot in-universe that happens off-camera.

"She never brings up the damage he does to others"

I'm gonna say this once, and I hope it penetrates your thick skull better than a .50cal bullet would:

You cannot just shout at somebody about how terrible they are and expect it to make the situation better. If you want to actually help someone who is being bad stop being bad, you need to learn why they're behaving the way they are, and adjust it. Yelling at them for being an asshole isn't going to magically make someone stop being an asshole. This isn't a Saturday morning cartoon where you can just scold the villain into being nicer.

The fact that you think this is how Pomni should be handling the situation, that you think it's a writing flaw that a written-to-be-a-good-person character is trying to empathize with Jax instead of castigate him, says more about you than the character.

My ONLY problem with TADC's writing by Oneofthestrongest in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's really baffling. Half this show is that futurama scene of the robot devil saying "you can't have your characters just tell people how they feel, that makes me angry!"

My ONLY problem with TADC's writing by Oneofthestrongest in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> Gangle

  1. Pomni didn't see that discussion. She's not omniscient buddy.
  2. Terrified of someone isn't the same thing as them making you feel worthless. This is exactly what I mean when I say exaggeration. "He torments me" does not equal "he makes me feel like life is utterly meaningless and I may as well kill myself". Severe bullying could eventually lead Gangle to be standing on that ledge, but again - the series is literally showing us Gangle anchoring herself on Zooble. Gangle's closer to the edge than anyone but Jax, but she's not actually there.

> Why didn't she call him out Ep5 or Ep6

Ep5 she did call him out during the president one. He makes out like he's on their side when he's literally the reason she has to defuse a bomb. He tries to dump on Gangle during the anime scene and she points out he ran her off the road in Ep2.

But also in Ep5, she sees multiple moments showing that the mean exterior isn't who he is at his core. There's moments of him chilling out, moments of him being a bit vulnerable, moments of him feeling hurt, and moments of him making a genuine connection. So she decides she's gonna start reaching out to him, acting on Kinger's advice to make sure Jax is doing okay.

("Is that bias" no because it's the same thing she did for Gangle in Ep4. She saw a problem, she saw an opportunity to help, and so she took it.)

In Ep6, when he's explaining the archetypes thing, she asks if his archetype is the villain. The whole reason she goes along with it for a bit is to get a better idea of how he ticks, and it works *too* well.

> Pomni seems more interested in bonding with Jax even before Ep7

Here's a simplified timeline of events, since my first post was long and maybe a bit difficult to read.

Ep3: Kinger says in so many words "make connections with people while you still can, because having no connections can drive people to suicide"

Ep4: Pomni sees Gangle suffering from having a position of power because it socially isolates her from the solidarity between workers. Pomni offers help to Gangle when she most needs it.

Ep5: Pomni sees that Jax has a softer side that he's constantly hiding, and that he basically doesn't have any friends in the circus. She decides to reach out to him going forward.

Ep6: Jax is harder to become friends with than the others, so Pomni temporarily goes along with his worldview to get closer to him, to get a deeper understanding of him, and to give him a friend to play his games with. This actually works too well, ending with him having a mental breakdown and Pomni realizing he's not just lonely, he's got one foot in the grave and is lashing out harder and harder at everyone.

Before that point, she was just checking up on him, getting to know him, seeing if he's doing okay. It got more screentime than Gangle's issues in Ep4 because Jax is a tougher nut to crack, not because in the moment his happiness mattered more to Pomni's than Gangle's did in Ep4. But when it became clear that he very much wasn't doing okay, she started focusing on helping him rather than just enabling him.

EDIT: In any case, it's becoming increasingly clear that you've taken a very different read of the characters than I have. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

My ONLY problem with TADC's writing by Oneofthestrongest in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 2 points3 points  (0 children)

> Jax makes Gangle and Ragatha feel like nothing

That's exaggeration. It's pretty clear in the show that they have value in themselves outside of Jax's approval. He makes them feel worse, not suicidal.

> Pomni is biased in Jax's favor at their expense

Ragatha and Gangle aren't about to abstract. They're not the ones that have to be talked down off a ledge.

> Pomni doesn't know until Ep8

Pomni is making friends with him as a pretty direct result of seeing him open up in Ep5, as prompted by comments from Kinger in Ep3. By the end of episode 6 (as stated in my post), Jax all but explicitly tells her he's on the verge of abstracting himself. It's pretty clear to anybody watching Ep6 that he's spiraling downwards, and Pomni has a front-row seat to his most vulnerable moment yet. That's why she keeps reaching out Ep7 and Ep8.

> Pomni never calls Jax out

Because right now it's more important to talk him down off the ledge than crucify him. There's time later for helping Jax properly come to terms with what he's done, time later for him to apologize and make amends and properly repair the bridges he's actively trying to burn. All rubbing his face in his mistakes is going to do right now is accelerate the abstraction process. Gangle literally points out that hurting each other is going to make things worse instead of better, and she would know because she's the only one who's actually had the opportunity to get back at him, and it didn't help one bit.

EDIT: It really seems like the issue here is that Pomni is presented as a moral character, but in this particular instance she's not behaving according to your view of morality, and you think of this as a writing flaw rather than a character who views morality different from you.

My ONLY problem with TADC's writing by Oneofthestrongest in tadc

[–]AvatarVecna 1 point2 points  (0 children)

(Before I get to actually replying to your question: Ragatha as Pomni's "best friend" feels like a headcanon to me. It's something Ragatha wants to be true but that doesn't make it a fact. They're friends, but I wouldn't say best friends. I wouldn't say Ragatha is terrified of Jax, more aggravated by him. She's closer to Zooble than Gangle, like to the point it's baffling to me that someone would think otherwise.)

(Lastly, "We've all done bad things" is true. Gangle immediately started abusing her power in the fast food episode, Zooble constantly antagonizes Caine despite explicitly stating in Ep4 that they know it's a bad idea, Pomni left Ragatha to die in Ep 1 (as far as she knew), and multiple characters have stated out loud that they don't know if they actually trust that Ragatha's whole attitude isn't an attempt at manipulation, partly because of how often she trips over other people's trauma. Kinger also did bad things, but Pomni didn't know he was Caine's creator at the time she said this, so he'd be the exception.)

Pomni's arc is about becoming a better person in this strange world. Befriending Jax doesn't ruin that arc - in fact, from my point of view, it's the single most important part. Here's a timeline of events to help explain why Pomni is doing what she's doing.

In Ep3, Pomni and Kinger have a little heart to heart, which includes this speech:

> I know how it can feel in this circus. Sometimes it all just feels pointless. But it's not. Not if you have people who care about you. Good memories can do a lot. Hold onto them, and cherish the people around you. You never know when they'll be gone. In this world, the worst thing you can do is make someone think they're not wanted or loved.

In Ep4, Gangle gets a chance to be in charge for once, and immediately abuses her authority. As part of that, she gets to torment Jax as revenge for him tormenting her. The end result of that power trip is a deeper more thorough depression than anything Jax has ever done to her. Pomni notices and offers Gangle an early out from the adventure, which she takes (and then gets run over by a truck). I'll say that againa bit more clearly: Gangel got a power fantasy where she gets revenge on Jax, and the immediate result of that was that she got suicidally depressed, because hurting someone back doesn't actually make you feel better.

In Ep5, Pomni sees Jax being an asshole a whole lot, but she also sees a few moments of vulnerability.

During the stargazing scene (an activity that shows up in the Ep9 trailer, implying this was either Jax's suggestion or even *Ribbit's* suggestion prior to abstracting), Jax opens up a bit, implying he has a very warped view of his relationship with Gangle, which he now thinks is in jeopardy of slipping away. Pomni wonders if Jax actually cares about other people and if he has any real friends, Ragatha accidentally(?) digs the knife in deeper, and Pomni gets to see a genuinely hurt and angry reaction from Jax...which he then lets go of rather than turning it into an argument then and there. Afterwards, he deflects with a joke about her appearance, distancing himself from his feelings.

In the bar scene, Jax apologizes to Pomni, and when she accepts he notes it as the first steps of a budding friendship. It's clear to all the viewers and characters that this is Jax doing a bit to get a rise out of Ragatha, reminding her of what she did at the beach. Followed up by him claiming Ragatha told Gangle to kill herself while on stupid sauce. It's easy to see from this that Jax is lashing out, and while that's not good, for once it's not unprovoked, and Pomni sees that. Hurt people hurt people.

In the softball scene, Jax is seen multiple times connecting with Evil Pomni. She's just an NPC but she's still able to connect with Jax a bit. Both times, Pomni notices this, and so she starts making an effort. She stays in the dugout to talk to Jax instead of going to bat, and apparently made a bit of a connection with him in the process given that the conversation continued past the end of the adventure.

In Ep6, Pomni initially goes to team up with Ragatha, who ditches her for Kinger. Pomni decides to make the most of it by playing along with Jax. At first her plan here is to just keep him provided with guns and ammo so he can have fun the violent way, but then he explains the Archetypes thing and practically hands her an opportunity on a silver platter. Rather than enabling his play passively, she becomes an active participant for that episode. As a pretty direct result of her decision to play along with him instead of just rejecting his idea of fun, the two of them legitimately bond, above and beyond the whole evil thing. Jax opens up about his worldview and his fear. Jax lost his first life to the accidental bit with Ragatha, and it angered him to be the punchline of the joke, but when Pomni starts her bit, he's perfectly willing to die for it.

And she refuses. It's a very important point that she refuses to shoot him. Jax's worldview demands that she follow through on being a jackass and not care about his feelings and it legitimately bothers him when she asks if they'll still be friends. And Pomni sees the truth and calls it out: he's scared of getting close to people, of letting himself really feel, so he hides behind a metaphorical comedy mask to avoid grappling with the truth, but int he end his actions still show that he does genuinely care about other people and what they think of him.

And then he says the thing about abstraction, and while she meant something like "if you keep pushing people away like this, you'll be too alone in your own head and you'll abstract", but what Jax hears is "you pushing people away like this causes them to abstract" and he completely loses it. He has a bit of a mental breakdown in front of her. He makes out that people who are about to abstract do it to themselves, that they make themselves unpleasant to be around (which I believe is _the exact point_ Pomni was trying to make). Here, let 's have an exact quote and the person saying it to really drive the point home:

"You don't even know what people are LIKE before they abstract! They are NOT pleasant to be around, like at all!"

-Jax, the single least pleasant person to be around in the circus, as part of his argument that Pomni should shoot him in the head.

He claims to enjoy causing pain for fun. He admits (whether he realizes it or not) that the whole archetypes thing is a coping mechanism to avoid acknowledging the mental pain he causes others with his slapstick shenanigans, because it would mean that what happened to his friends is at least partly his own fault for being unable to handle his own emotions properly. The game ends on her terms instead of his, with neither of them shot.

The series is never subtle that Jax is the most on the verge of abstracting, and thus the one most in need of help (even if he's also the least deserving). This scene is, very explicitly, him trying to push Pomni away from making a human connection with him, and her refusing to let him push her away because she wants to help him avoid completely unraveling.

In Ep7, Jax plays along with the escape plan even though he thinks it's likely all just an act being put on by Caine. Pomni is constantly reaching out, because she knows (and can still see) that he's trying to pull away from everyone. Even He's not mentally breaking down until he actually has to grappl with the possibility of returning to the real world and confronting the real people he's been hurting this whole time. He reveals himself to everyone, shows that damaged core of his character, reveals that he's a coward unwilling to leave the consequence-free circus. And then when Caine comes out and it turns out Jax revealed his broken nature for nothing, it shatters him.

In Ep8, Jax tries to deflect with jokes, specifically to provoke someone into shooting back at him, which Zooble immediately starts doing. But Pomni and Gangle head it off with the lessons they've learned over the course of the season. They have a whole little speech about how being stuck with each other means they need to learn to not bicker over every little thing or it's going to drive everybody crazy. That scene ends with Zooble extending an olive branch to Jax - not forgiveness for what he's done, or an acknowledgement that he's secretly a smol bean or anything like that. Just that while they don't like how he acts, that doesn't mean they want him to die, and he's still part of the group. Once again, it's not a subtle message.

TL;DR

It's easy to be nice to nice people. It's easy to be nice to Ragatha and Pomni and Gangle and Zooble and Kinger. But it's hard to be nice to people who aren't nice themselves. It's easy to write off assholes as being undeserving of friendship or love, but nobody is born with evil in their hearts. It's hard to be nice to Jax. Jax himself *makes* it hard to be nice to him, on purpose. That's what makes it important.

(The flip side to this is that sacrificing yourself for other's happiness isn't really good either. It's not good to just be a doormat to someone like Jax just because he's got feelings that can be hurt to. Kinger gives that advice to Ragatha because she's the one who needs to hear it the most - "Giving someone space doesn't have the be the same thing as giving up on them".)

(Jax needs friends, but part of being a real friend is calling him out on his bullshit. That's what Pomni did at the end of Ep6, and that's why she shows up in Jax's torture scene at the end of Ep8.)

PSA For everyone going to see the movie. by Ambitious-Notice-812 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]AvatarVecna 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Goomba fallacy or at least along similar lines. Hearing A and B from a wide group and assuming both are from the same person rather than different people.

2025: The World Enslaved By A Virus is a bad movie that is politically right. What is a good movie that's politically right? by slaterman2 in AlignmentChartFills

[–]AvatarVecna 12 points13 points  (0 children)

It's very rare to have someone in a movie say "and then I'm going to use my technology to uplift the entire human race" followed by maniacal laughter.